Hi,
as Fedora 16 is around the corner, FAmSCo elections are, too.
All 7 seats in FAmSCo are up for re-election. This means: 1. we need at least 7 people who run for FAmSco 2. we need you to ask the candidates your questions 3. we need somebody to gather these questions and do the questionnaire 4. we need people to chair the IRC townhall meetings with the candidates.
According to the schedule [1] the townhalls should happen until Friday, October 28th, 2011. This means we need to hurry with all other items.
The questionnaire will take place in the wiki. The person to organize it will set up a page their for your questions, mail all candidates and collect their answers and put them on the wiki again. Of course this should be somebody who is not running for FAmSCo.
If you want to run for FAmSCo or if you have suggestions who should run, please speak up!
There is nothing wrong with making suggestions, in fact I consider it a good thing, but please contact the person in question before you suggest her/him in public.
Please help us forming a strong FAmSCo for the next year!
Regards, Christoph
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
IDENTIFY
For each region (NA, LATAM, EMEA, India, APAC), make sure you can list out 10 Ambassadors who are obviously go-to leaders in that region. Folks who are active on the list, organizing and coordinating events, keeping resources flowing, mentoring contributors, etc. Make sure that someone on FAMSCO making a personal connection with each of those people at least once per month, for a private IRC chat or a phone call. If you can't come up with 10 names in a region, treat that as a red flag and work with the folks who are active and leaders in that region to reach out to other members of the FOSS community.
SIMPLIFY
Come up with a list of 5-7 basic things that FAMSCO wants to ensure exist for Ambassadors across the globe, and make sure it exists, working with and in the regional Ambassador groups to do so.
Some possibilities:
* HOWTOs for event organization * HOWTOs for media production and event kits * Budget guidance and categories that need approval, that don't need approval, etc. * List of the 5 most important non-FUDCon and non-FAD events in the region, and ensure they have owners and budget. * etc.
CONNECT
Here's an idea that I have given the boring name of 3x3. The goal -- each Ambassador's goal is to introduce (or re-energize) 3 contributors to 3 different parts of the Fedora Project. Find these folks, mentor them into different parts of Fedora, introduce them to the Fedora community on your blog or mailing list as part of the 3x3 challenge, and then make sure that they are having some success in the part of Fedora that they have joined. Set aside some funding to incent people who are embracing this challenge (either current or new contributors) with sponsorships for FUDCons or FADs.
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
--Max
Great ideas, actually I really like the point you are bringing up with 10 FAms for region. It is time to make the country wise contribution strong and hence make the regional support strong. Every FAm should make sure that they have building up their community in their Cities, Countries. That is what is know as Divide and Conquer :)
One thing we can use to make regional communities strong, we can use Regional meetings. In APAC we host one meeting per week. That helps us to keep the track of all the things happening under the sun. Personally I believe; mentors should play a major role and should emphasize the importance of those when newbies are stepping in to the project.
More ideas make the journey smoother and perfect, so we need ideas to shape the next leadership body for the Fedora Project.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Max Spevack mspevack@fedoraproject.orgwrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
IDENTIFY
For each region (NA, LATAM, EMEA, India, APAC), make sure you can list out 10 Ambassadors who are obviously go-to leaders in that region. Folks who are active on the list, organizing and coordinating events, keeping resources flowing, mentoring contributors, etc. Make sure that someone on FAMSCO making a personal connection with each of those people at least once per month, for a private IRC chat or a phone call. If you can't come up with 10 names in a region, treat that as a red flag and work with the folks who are active and leaders in that region to reach out to other members of the FOSS community.
SIMPLIFY
Come up with a list of 5-7 basic things that FAMSCO wants to ensure exist for Ambassadors across the globe, and make sure it exists, working with and in the regional Ambassador groups to do so.
Some possibilities:
- HOWTOs for event organization
- HOWTOs for media production and event kits
- Budget guidance and categories that need approval, that don't need
approval, etc.
- List of the 5 most important non-FUDCon and non-FAD events in the
region, and ensure they have owners and budget.
- etc.
CONNECT
Here's an idea that I have given the boring name of 3x3. The goal -- each Ambassador's goal is to introduce (or re-energize) 3 contributors to 3 different parts of the Fedora Project. Find these folks, mentor them into different parts of Fedora, introduce them to the Fedora community on your blog or mailing list as part of the 3x3 challenge, and then make sure that they are having some success in the part of Fedora that they have joined. Set aside some funding to incent people who are embracing this challenge (either current or new contributors) with sponsorships for FUDCons or FADs.
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
--Max
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Hi Christoph, Max, Buddhika et all,
It's highly appropriated and I totally agree with you. @ Buddhika: this should be a nice topic to be discussed in today meeting. Hope to see all of you there.
P.S. sorry because of top-posting, but there are a lot of really interesting things which should not be cut off.
Kind regards, Tuan ----- Original Message -----
From: "Buddhika Kurera" bckurera@fedoraproject.org To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Sent: Friday, October 21, 2011 7:08:18 PM Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] FAmSCo elections coming your way
Great ideas, actually I really like the point you are bringing up with 10 FAms for region. It is time to make the country wise contribution strong and hence make the regional support strong. Every FAm should make sure that they have building up their community in their Cities, Countries. That is what is know as Divide and Conquer :)
One thing we can use to make regional communities strong, we can use Regional meetings. In APAC we host one meeting per week. That helps us to keep the track of all the things happening under the sun. Personally I believe; mentors should play a major role and should emphasize the importance of those when newbies are stepping in to the project.
More ideas make the journey smoother and perfect, so we need ideas to shape the next leadership body for the Fedora Project.
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:50 AM, Max Spevack < mspevack@fedoraproject.org > wrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
IDENTIFY
For each region (NA, LATAM, EMEA, India, APAC), make sure you can list out 10 Ambassadors who are obviously go-to leaders in that region. Folks who are active on the list, organizing and coordinating events, keeping resources flowing, mentoring contributors, etc. Make sure that someone on FAMSCO making a personal connection with each of those people at least once per month, for a private IRC chat or a phone call. If you can't come up with 10 names in a region, treat that as a red flag and work with the folks who are active and leaders in that region to reach out to other members of the FOSS community.
SIMPLIFY
Come up with a list of 5-7 basic things that FAMSCO wants to ensure exist for Ambassadors across the globe, and make sure it exists, working with and in the regional Ambassador groups to do so.
Some possibilities:
* HOWTOs for event organization * HOWTOs for media production and event kits * Budget guidance and categories that need approval, that don't need approval, etc. * List of the 5 most important non-FUDCon and non-FAD events in the region, and ensure they have owners and budget. * etc.
CONNECT
Here's an idea that I have given the boring name of 3x3. The goal -- each Ambassador's goal is to introduce (or re-energize) 3 contributors to 3 different parts of the Fedora Project. Find these folks, mentor them into different parts of Fedora, introduce them to the Fedora community on your blog or mailing list as part of the 3x3 challenge, and then make sure that they are having some success in the part of Fedora that they have joined. Set aside some funding to incent people who are embracing this challenge (either current or new contributors) with sponsorships for FUDCons or FADs.
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
--Max
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Max Spevack mspevack@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
... snip ...
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
I will add here that I haven't had any problems with dealing with this with Red Hat although I do feel rather in the dark about the current state of the budget and this has been something bothering me all along. I think we need some structure whereby community card holders have a much better understanding of the current state of the overall budget at frequent points in time to avoid overspending (or the persistent fear of overspending that comes from being in the dark).
John
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Max Spevack mspevack@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
... snip ...
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. Â This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Â Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
I will add here that I haven't had any problems with dealing with this with Red Hat although I do feel rather in the dark about the current state of the budget and this has been something bothering me all along. I think we need some structure whereby community card holders have a much better understanding of the current state of the overall budget at frequent points in time to avoid overspending (or the persistent fear of overspending that comes from being in the dark).
I totally agree with the sense of fear that comes from being on the dark.
Neville
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, neville@taygon.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Max Spevack mspevack@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
... snip ...
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. Â This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Â Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
I will add here that I haven't had any problems with dealing with this with Red Hat although I do feel rather in the dark about the current state of the budget and this has been something bothering me all along. I think we need some structure whereby community card holders have a much better understanding of the current state of the overall budget at frequent points in time to avoid overspending (or the persistent fear of overspending that comes from being in the dark).
I totally agree with the sense of fear that comes from being on the dark.
Neville
So how do we change this? (and that's not a rhetorical question)
It strikes me (from the outside, and uninvolved in all of this) that we could best do this by delegating all of the Fedora discretionary budget to these cardholders, then it becomes up to them to keep the records up. (wikipage) And if anyone in CommArch wants to spend out of the discretionary budget then they'd come to those folks and get it spent.
Of course, I say this from the outside - I have no real visibility into how this all really works.
Harish? Quaid? Mel? <-- want to weigh in here?
--David
Em Seg, 2011-10-31 às 13:30 -0400, David Nalley escreveu:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, neville@taygon.com wrote:
I totally agree with the sense of fear that comes from being on the dark.
Neville
So how do we change this? (and that's not a rhetorical question)
It strikes me (from the outside, and uninvolved in all of this) that we could best do this by delegating all of the Fedora discretionary budget to these cardholders, then it becomes up to them to keep the records up. (wikipage) And if anyone in CommArch wants to spend out of the discretionary budget then they'd come to those folks and get it spent.
Of course, I say this from the outside - I have no real visibility into how this all really works.
Harish? Quaid? Mel? <-- want to weigh in here?
One thing I would like to suggest is to have listed on the wiki not only on what we spent money, but also list events and swag requirements that will need budget and how much they will demand over the fiscal year. For instance, most major events are recurrent every year and we could presume the proper budget for them by forehand.
We usually have at least three fases of budget that should be better discriminated: What we spent (ticket approved, payed and closed), what we are spending (Tickets approved but not payed yet), what we will need to spend (recurrent spending).
On the other hand we need to take care to not turn this into something unnecessarily complicated. Fortunately most of information needed is easily available, although not compiled in a proper way for decision making.
Regards,
Hello everybody, How are you? I am happy for the Fedora 16 Elections http://rbergero.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-16/f-16-elections.html
I want to be a member of FAmSCo.
Thanks Rejaul Islam Fedora Ambassador Bangladesh https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Rejaul
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Igor Pires Soares wrote:
One thing I would like to suggest is to have listed on the wiki not only on what we spent money
Continuing the Fedora budget tracking on the wiki that I used to take care of, and making the review of that a common task that happens with the card holders, famsco, and a RH representative, would be a solution that pretty much fits in with previously-established work patterns.
When was the last time budget was discussed in a FAMSCO meeting that included both FAMSCO folks and a Fedora budget manager from Red Hat?
--Max
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 20:25 -0700, Max Spevack wrote:
On Mon, 31 Oct 2011, Igor Pires Soares wrote:
One thing I would like to suggest is to have listed on the wiki not only on what we spent money
Continuing the Fedora budget tracking on the wiki that I used to take care of, and making the review of that a common task that happens with the card holders, famsco, and a RH representative, would be a solution that pretty much fits in with previously-established work patterns.
When was the last time budget was discussed in a FAMSCO meeting that included both FAMSCO folks and a Fedora budget manager from Red Hat?
--Max
I think that is the big problem, we need to get together and we haven't do so.
Wiki can be really difficult for finding a specific page, I would love to have links to the pages where we should keep logs, and pages that we should look at to get the broad picture of the budget. In any case wiki pages will not substitute getting the key people to talk about this.
Probably we should reconsider Max's idea of financial SIG ?
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Neville A. Cross neville@taygon.com wrote:
I think that is the big problem, we need to get together and we haven't do so.
Wiki can be really difficult for finding a specific page, I would love to have links to the pages where we should keep logs, and pages that we should look at to get the broad picture of the budget. In any case wiki pages will not substitute getting the key people to talk about this.
Probably we should reconsider Max's idea of financial SIG ?
This is exactly what I was thinking too. If we could meet even once a month, fairly soon after the payment cycle so we had a generally accurate picture of things going into a new month this would go a long way toward increasing my comfort level.
Other record keeping is also a good idea but wiki pages always end up getting out of date at some point.
John
* on the Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 08:28:55AM -0500, inode0 was commenting: | On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Neville A. Cross neville@taygon.com wrote: | > I think that is the big problem, we need to get together and we haven't | > do so. | > | > Wiki can be really difficult for finding a specific page, I would love | > to have links to the pages where we should keep logs, and pages that we | > should look at to get the broad picture of the budget. In any case wiki | > pages will not substitute getting the key people to talk about this. | > | > Probably we should reconsider Max's idea of financial SIG ? | | This is exactly what I was thinking too. If we could meet even once a | month, fairly soon after the payment cycle so we had a generally | accurate picture of things going into a new month this would go a long | way toward increasing my comfort level. | | Other record keeping is also a good idea but wiki pages always end up | getting out of date at some point.
As the person who has to manage the budget from the Red Hat side and having taken over the role since about August, I must admit that I was very conservative and perhaps slow in getting things done. I needed to reach a level of comfort for ultimately, I'm answerable to the spending.
I think if an agenda item can be placed in the FAmSCo meetings to discuss finance - as suggested above and on a monthly basis - it will be useful and I will attend them.
Thanks.
Am Montag, den 31.10.2011, 20:25 -0700 schrieb Max Spevack:
When was the last time budget was discussed in a FAMSCO meeting that included both FAMSCO folks and a Fedora budget manager from Red Hat?
When you last attended a FAMSCo meeting. If there is a budget manager from Red Hat, it's Harish, but he does not attend FAmSCo meetings.
Regards, Christoph
On Mon, 2011-10-31 at 13:30 -0400, David Nalley wrote:
On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 PM, neville@taygon.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:20 PM, Max Spevack mspevack@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi Ambassadors,
It's been a few months now since I no longer had an active role in the resource side of Fedora Ambassadors, and even longer since I was a formal member of FAMSCO.
Even so, I wanted to take a few moments to write about some of the topics that I'd like to see FAMSCO take a look at over the next year, in order to make sure that Ambassadors overall is healthy, and to make sure that FAMSCO itself is providing value to the Fedora community at large.
I've organized my thoughts into a few categories:
... snip ...
PAY
Make sure that the regional Ambassador credit card program is still working, and not having any issues in terms of bill payment by Red Hat. Consider expanding the program by another 1 or 2 people, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to determine the best way to do this.
Keep a wiki page that lists every expense that could *not* be paid with the community credit cards, and work with Red Hat's Fedora leadership to figure out how to get those reimbursed in other ways. Â This wiki page can be as simple as a list of trac tickets.
Make sure that there is a reimbursment SLA that is followed by the community credit card holders and Red Hat's Fedora leadership who are able to reimburse. Â Collaborate w/ Red Hat to come up with a good policy here.
I will add here that I haven't had any problems with dealing with this with Red Hat although I do feel rather in the dark about the current state of the budget and this has been something bothering me all along. I think we need some structure whereby community card holders have a much better understanding of the current state of the overall budget at frequent points in time to avoid overspending (or the persistent fear of overspending that comes from being in the dark).
I totally agree with the sense of fear that comes from being on the dark.
Neville
So how do we change this? (and that's not a rhetorical question)
It strikes me (from the outside, and uninvolved in all of this) that we could best do this by delegating all of the Fedora discretionary budget to these cardholders, then it becomes up to them to keep the records up. (wikipage) And if anyone in CommArch wants to spend out of the discretionary budget then they'd come to those folks and get it spent.
Of course, I say this from the outside - I have no real visibility into how this all really works.
Harish? Quaid? Mel? <-- want to weigh in here?
--David
My first thought was that it may be a lot of work, and that this will implies reducing other areas of collaboration with the project. Then I realized that I am not sure how many transactions this will involve, I can not say if this is a good idea or bad.
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