Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
dramsey[1], our fellow APAC ambassador, was the person who was originally brought this idea to the floor. Credits goes to him. ;)
The survey : http://lk.fedoracommunity.org/fam_rh_certification/ (Survey URL is brought in as a frame, under the official LK Community website to keep the URL simple instead of complicated google URLs)
Results page: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ...
[1]: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey
Regards!
2011/12/28 Uditha Bandara Wijerathna udinnet@fedoraproject.org
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora.
I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission.
Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
John
On 28/12/11 21:33, inode0 wrote:
2011/12/28 Uditha Bandara Wijerathna udinnet@fedoraproject.org
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora.
I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission.
Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
John
ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
+1 Well summed up, John. Also, technically Red Hat has nothing to do with Fedora per se.
Regards, Tristan
+1
John
On Wed, 2011-12-28 at 15:33 -0600, inode0 wrote:
2011/12/28 Uditha Bandara Wijerathna udinnet@fedoraproject.org
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora.
I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission.
Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
John
ambassadors mailing list ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora.
I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission.
Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
Hi,
Actually, this was just an idea that came from our ambassadors. Not just me. We were discussed about this in a APAC ambassador regional meeting. FYI meeting log[1] is pasted below (please refer the topic Red Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey)). The thing is, RH certification is just a part of this survey. We don't want to mix-up RH with fedora here. I think this is a misunderstanding about two separate topics. Only thing is both were came in a single survey. The solely effort behind this action is to make ambassadors more equipped in technical knowledge in Linux. Because every one not the same in technical knowledge. Also Classrooms can be taken as part of that effort. If there is a firm understanding about the things that people looking forward to learn, even classrooms can be conducted more dynamically. So for a better clarification, it is good to have a discussion with our fellow ambassadors who were in that meeting I mentioned above.
[1]: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-11-26/apac.2011-11-26-0...
Regards!
On 28/12/11 22:28, Uditha Bandara Wijerathna wrote:
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora. I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission. Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
Hi,
Actually, this was just an idea that came from our ambassadors. Not just me. We were discussed about this in a APAC ambassador regional meeting. FYI meeting log[1] is pasted below (please refer the topicRed Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey)). The thing is, RH certification is just a part of this survey. We don't want to mix-up RH with fedora here. I think this is a misunderstanding about two separate topics. Only thing is both were came in a single survey. The solely effort behind this action is to make ambassadors more equipped in technical knowledge in Linux. Because every one not the same in technical knowledge. Also Classrooms can be taken as part of that effort. If there is a firm understanding about the thingsthat people looking forward to learn, even classrooms can be conducted more dynamically. So for a better clarification, it is good to have a discussion with our fellow ambassadors who were in that meeting I mentioned above.
Regards!
- Uditha Bandara Wijerathna -
- Fedora Project Ambassador for Sri Lanka -
IRC: udinnet | Fedora Profile https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Udinnet | Email: udinnet@fedoraproject.org mailto:udinnet@fedoraproject.org
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If you guys want training of sorts, how about volunteering some time to make some training docs for fedora, and then maybe even a self-test website, which then could be open to any person, be ambassador or not. I am sure this would be very welcomed by many of our Fedora contributors and even people, who are not contributing as of yet. There could also be the added benefit that people would maybe feel more comfortable contributing, if they have proven to have a certain knowledge level, although exams tend not to reflect an adequate knowledge and experience level. However, this could be a starting point for old time contributors and new contributors, as long as the topics are kept separate, so that people can pick their interests. It should be said though, that Fedora is moving in a different direction than the recent RHEL 6 version, so one cannot really have anything to do with the other, unless it is basic terminal usage.
Regards, Tristan
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
Alejandro, John, Tristan and Uditha, thank you for your e-mails. :)
The survey is a consideration for 2012 and to get ideas from the people. :)
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little to do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora.
Depends on your audience and questions which you are asked. For example, I receive questions on kernels as well as integrated Fedora's features as they pertain to the production environment. :)
Since some corporations consider the Fedora model as the Research and Development (R&D) arm of Red Hat, if your audience and present/future employers want to understand your capabilities, then to empower the people is an investment in oneself. :)
I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission.
Opinion understood. I wanted to receive the ideas for those are interested in learning what would be useful to help support them. That is the true essence of this survey. :)
Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
I strongly think that to hear "read" polled answers by the group via the survey will help provide knowledge. Knowledge and supportive data will help in future decisions as well. ;)
Without data, then there is no analysis. I read Ankur's survey for "Fedora Ambassadors Survey" and the column labeled, "What difficulties are you facing, if any?"
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Al73WBsvtlGodFN3emtQdEhVMGdKTXN...
provided me remarkable insight into the needs of people. :)
Actually, this was just an idea that came from our ambassadors. Not just me. We were discussed about this in a APAC ambassador regional meeting. FYI meeting log[1] is pasted below (please refer the topicRed Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey)). The thing is, RH certification is just a part of this survey. We don't want to mix-up RH with fedora here. I think this is a misunderstanding about two separate topics. Only thing is both were came in a single survey. The solely effort behind this action is to make ambassadors more equipped in technical knowledge in Linux. Because every one not the same in technical knowledge. Also Classrooms can be taken as part of that effort. If there is a firm understanding about the thingsthat people looking forward to learn, even classrooms can be conducted more dynamically. So for a better clarification, it is good to have a discussion with our fellow ambassadors who were in that meeting I mentioned above.
Thank you for issuing the survey. I sincerely believe there are requests to learn more technical information.
If you guys want training of sorts, how about volunteering some time to make some training docs for fedora, and then maybe even a self-test website, which then could be open to any person, be ambassador or not. I am sure this would be very welcomed by many of our Fedora contributors and even people, who are not contributing as of yet. There could also be the added benefit that people would maybe feel more comfortable contributing, if they have proven to have a certain knowledge level, although exams tend not to reflect an adequate knowledge and experience level. However, this could be a starting point for old time contributors and new contributors, as long as the topics are kept separate, so that people can pick their interests. It should be said though, that Fedora is moving in a different direction than the recent RHEL 6 version, so one cannot really have anything to do with the other, unless it is basic terminal usage.
Opinion understood. :)
I think there are some people would "want" training to be received. To learn from those who know (e.g., senior Fedora Ambassadors) will help development these individuals in their future. Some people want more technical knowledge to help provide a foundation for speaking comfortably of technical concepts. :)
To volunteer and teach content is grand (i.e., train the trainer.) :)
Consider one's education as power. Be your education in the technical and/or interpersonal realm. ;)
Understanding any survey's data from what is needed by people is very essential, in order to develop an understanding. Let everyone's prerogative to choose be voiced. :)
May the survey been labeled with columns first, in order to receive requests from the people, would that have been better accepted? :)
"...Discuss about the things you like to learn in Fedora Online Classrooms (if any/optional)
Do you need any materials to learn Fedora? (if any/optional)..."
If we give an ear to their requests, then we will be provided greater ideas for the future. :)
Data is power, without data and an openness to understand leaves people in a vacuum for any decision making. May be the titling would have been Training for FAms, what do you think? :)
I would like to see the New Year as an opportunity to open our minds to what everyone's future "could" be. :)
Think of things as "Food for your Fedora thoughts." ;)
Lastly, please have a Great Fedora day and a wonderful New Year to you all! :~)
Take Care
Sincerely
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- David -
=-=-=-=-=
David Ramsey
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十人十色 じゅうにんといろ
10 people 10 colors
Different strokes for different folks
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On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Tristan Santore < tristan.santore@internexusconnect.net> wrote:
On 28/12/11 22:28, Uditha Bandara Wijerathna wrote:
While those who know me know that I think very highly of Red Hat certifications and have been privileged to benefit from them personally, I don't see any reason this should be something for ambassadors specifically. The value of the certification has little
to
do with performing ambassador duties or with being qualified to be a good ambassador for Fedora. I can more easily support an initiative to help all Fedora contributors who are interested in acquiring certifications do so. I don't think FAmSCo is the best vehicle for that and I don't think it really falls under the FAmSCo mission. Can we discuss here what you would like FAmSCo or anyone else to provide in terms of support?
Hi,
Actually, this was just an idea that came from our ambassadors. Not just me. We were discussed about this in a APAC ambassador regional meeting. FYI meeting log[1] is pasted below (please refer the topicRed Hat information training for Ambassadors (dramsey)). The thing is, RH certification is just a part of this survey. We don't want to mix-up RH with fedora here. I think this is a misunderstanding about two separate topics. Only thing is both were came in a single survey. The solely effort behind this action is to make ambassadors more equipped in technical knowledge in Linux. Because every one not the same in technical knowledge. Also Classrooms can be taken as part of that effort. If there is a firm understanding about the thingsthat people looking forward to learn, even classrooms can be conducted more dynamically. So for a better clarification, it is good to have a discussion with our fellow ambassadors who were in that meeting I mentioned above.
[1]:
http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-11-26/apac.2011-11-26-0...
Regards!
- Uditha Bandara Wijerathna -
- Fedora Project Ambassador for Sri Lanka -
IRC: udinnet | Fedora Profile https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Udinnet | Email: udinnet@fedoraproject.org mailto:udinnet@fedoraproject.org
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If you guys want training of sorts, how about volunteering some time to make some training docs for fedora, and then maybe even a self-test website, which then could be open to any person, be ambassador or not. I am sure this would be very welcomed by many of our Fedora contributors and even people, who are not contributing as of yet. There could also be the added benefit that people would maybe feel more comfortable contributing, if they have proven to have a certain knowledge level, although exams tend not to reflect an adequate knowledge and experience level. However, this could be a starting point for old time contributors and new contributors, as long as the topics are kept separate, so that people can pick their interests. It should be said though, that Fedora is moving in a different direction than the recent RHEL 6 version, so one cannot really have anything to do with the other, unless it is basic terminal usage.
Regards, Tristan
-- Tristan Santore BSc MBCS TS4523-RIPE Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile +44-78-55069812 Tristan.Santore@internexusconnect.net
"desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH."
There are thousands of people using Fedora without following Red Hat programs. And most of them working with this community but end users. They read manuals and follow user forums.
for those who need the certification from RH, they should manage it alone. I have been working in Fedora community for more than 6 years and there is no such requirement of learning RHEL or/and get certified from the Red Hat to promote Fedora within my region.
But you must learn about Fedora and its culture.
FAMs is just a part of Fedora community and there are several groups working for the Fedora project.
What is the return to Fedora or/and Red Hat by sponsoring an Ambassador to get RH certification? The objective of the RH certification is not to build Fedora ambassadors. It is about managing RHEL servers in enterprise environment. :)
Do you need RHEL knowledge to spread the word about Fedora? Do you want to certify as RHCSA/RHCE to organize an event, to speak, to write an article, or code? To approach outside world you need a PR training, and if you want to code just learn programming but not RHEL. ;-)
So, You should learn about RHEL your own. If you need an qualification for your job just go and certify yourself.
As I remember RHCE required more than 200USD only for trainings this is good enough to manage a local Fedora event. Do we need to invest on single person for useless work? or Do we need to spend money on marketing Fedora?
If we start this we could find instant FAMs in the future. As many people will join just because of the certification and they will leave the project once they achieved their personal target.
Small issue with the survey; why did you guys put Red Hat logo?
Am Donnerstag, den 29.12.2011, 02:15 +0530 schrieb Uditha Bandara Wijerathna:
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH.
I think these are two completely different topics in various ways.
On the one hand we have Fedora, on the other Red Hat. Although they are related, they are not the same. People often fail to see the difference and think that Fedora is just the Beta of the next Red Hat Enterprise Linux. This is not true: Fedora is what we make it. It's not only software but a world wide community. Everybody can get involved and every contributor can change Fedora. This is not the case the RHEL.
And then there is the difference between information or documentation and certifications or training. Documentation is for users and when we study it to improve our skills, we do it for ourselves. Certifications on the other hand has a commercial value. If you are certified, you can find a better job and get a higher salary.
Long story short: I think we should focus on Fedora and on documentation. I am sure the docs team welcomes some helping hands and working on documentation will also help the ambassadors as they get more understanding of the technical details of Fedora. It's a win-win situation for both teams, but IHMO it has only very little to do with RHEL or certifications. Lets not confuse this and improve one thing at a time.
Regards, Christoph
Hello Everyone,
Christoph, thank you for your e-mail. ;)
I hope to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed to be further developed and grow in 2012. :)
Thank You Sincerely, - David -
From: christoph.wickert@googlemail.com To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:18:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Survey: Red Hat Certifications/Training for FAms (Just 2 or 3 minutes required)
Am Donnerstag, den 29.12.2011, 02:15 +0530 schrieb Uditha Bandara Wijerathna:
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH.
I think these are two completely different topics in various ways.
On the one hand we have Fedora, on the other Red Hat. Although they are related, they are not the same. People often fail to see the difference and think that Fedora is just the Beta of the next Red Hat Enterprise Linux. This is not true: Fedora is what we make it. It's not only software but a world wide community. Everybody can get involved and every contributor can change Fedora. This is not the case the RHEL.
And then there is the difference between information or documentation and certifications or training. Documentation is for users and when we study it to improve our skills, we do it for ourselves. Certifications on the other hand has a commercial value. If you are certified, you can find a better job and get a higher salary.
Long story short: I think we should focus on Fedora and on documentation. I am sure the docs team welcomes some helping hands and working on documentation will also help the ambassadors as they get more understanding of the technical details of Fedora. It's a win-win situation for both teams, but IHMO it has only very little to do with RHEL or certifications. Lets not confuse this and improve one thing at a time.
Regards, Christoph
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2011/12/29 David Ramsey diamond_ramsey@hotmail.com
Hello Everyone,
Christoph, thank you for your e-mail. ;)
I hope to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed to be further developed and grow in 2012. :)
Thank You Sincerely,
- David -
From: christoph.wickert@googlemail.com To: ambassadors@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 14:18:12 +0100 Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Survey: Red Hat Certifications/Training for
FAms (Just 2 or 3 minutes required)
Am Donnerstag, den 29.12.2011, 02:15 +0530 schrieb Uditha Bandara Wijerathna:
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH.
I think these are two completely different topics in various ways.
On the one hand we have Fedora, on the other Red Hat. Although they are related, they are not the same. People often fail to see the difference and think that Fedora is just the Beta of the next Red Hat Enterprise Linux. This is not true: Fedora is what we make it. It's not only software but a world wide community. Everybody can get involved and every contributor can change Fedora. This is not the case the RHEL.
And then there is the difference between information or documentation and certifications or training. Documentation is for users and when we study it to improve our skills, we do it for ourselves. Certifications on the other hand has a commercial value. If you are certified, you can find a better job and get a higher salary.
Long story short: I think we should focus on Fedora and on documentation. I am sure the docs team welcomes some helping hands and working on documentation will also help the ambassadors as they get more understanding of the technical details of Fedora. It's a win-win situation for both teams, but IHMO it has only very little to do with RHEL or certifications. Lets not confuse this and improve one thing at a time.
Regards, Christoph
I bet, if you ask for Oracle DBA track on the same survey, there is a possibility of requesting that too. ;-)
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
Navin, thank you for your e-mail. ;)
I hope to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors
interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed to be further developed and grow in 2012. :)
I bet, if you ask for Oracle DBA track on the same survey, there is a possibility of requesting that too. ;-)
hahaha. ;)
The goal of the survey "Training Ideas for FAms" -
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ...
is get some good ideas for topics to help develop our fellow Fedora Ambassadors via sources such as #fedora-classroom and others. So far twenty people have entered content and the results are interesting to read. :)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ...
Uditha, thank you for updating the survey for reading purposes. :v)
Please have a Great Fedora day! :~)
Thank You
Sincerely
=-=-=-=-=
- David -
=-=-=-=-=
David Ramsey
---------------------------------
十人十色 じゅうにんといろ
10 people 10 colors
Different strokes for different folks
=
Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey@fedoraproject.org * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey With sixteen (16) x86_64 computing cores, 80 GB of RAM and eight SATA Seagate 7200.12 - 500 GB harddisks. The system definitions are at the following URL: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey#Using_embedded_code_have_updates...
=
Hello all,
This is a great initiative. Thank you for the survey :)
I do see that the issues that have been brought up in relation to differences in Fedora and RedHat and the rest are valid. We can use "Fedora Technical training" or the sort to clarify the initiative's goal: technical education (knowledge exchange) for Fedora community members. (Note that these sessions are open *for all*, not just fedora community members. Since the fedora community is organizing it, the addition of fedora in the name is appropriate)
The classroom program is one channel that could be used for this. I'd request more folks to take/attend classrooms. With the number of techies we have around, we can easily have one classroom per week! :)
Please join the classroom mailing list and take sessions. You don't have to be an advanced user to take them. If you learn something new, take a quick 15-30 minute session and spread the word :)
Hello guys,
Thank you all for your replies. All of them will be very useful when making decisions. And thanks all of you for pointing out the un-discussed ideas.
Uditha, thank you for updating the survey for reading purposes. :v)
Thanks David ;)
See you all.
Regards!
Hello Folks,
Thanks for bringing this survey up!!!! Finally it came out from the meeting agenda and we can discuss more about the survey results in upcoming APAC meetings and take required actions.
I am not fitting into this technical jargon but I tried to fill the survey but when submitting it gave me nothing. Then I checked the GDoc and I realized my ideas wasnt submitted. As a result I think of replying this thread. In this thread also there are lot of ideas.
I m nt interested about Redhat certifications as this is out of my occupation. But I would like to raise this point.
Whatever the connection between Redhat and Fedora exists it is certian that we have lot of RH certified professional plus Redhat employees among the project. Those people know better about fedora and Redhat. Therefore if we can utilize those contributors we can create an effective knowledge flow with in the project while we are concentrating the main targets of the project as well. The best media is fdora classrooms. It is possible to have fedora classrooms on topics related with Redhat certification, may be expreience sharing as well.
That will make our contributors more technical sound as well. We can use this as a motivation factor so that atlease students who follow related stuffs will atleast join with us to be keep in touch with those. Further fedora contributors get an advantage as well. Why dont we use the advantage we have. Therefore I like this initiative which was brought by Dramsey and supported by Udinnet. By looking at the responses it seems many people are interested in being certifying therefore if we can organize classrooms with experienced contributors that would be great.
If it is possible please spread this to teams like infrastructure and get their participation as well. Then with the help of contributors it is possible to organize classroom sessions and invent the knowledge flow.
Thanks
2011/12/30 Uditha Bandara Wijerathna udinnet@fedoraproject.org
Hello guys,
Thank you all for your replies. All of them will be very useful when making decisions. And thanks all of you for pointing out the un-discussed ideas.
Am Freitag, den 30.12.2011, 17:39 +0530 schrieb Buddhika Kurera:
Hello Folks,
Thanks for bringing this survey up!!!! Finally it came out from the meeting agenda and we can discuss more about the survey results in upcoming APAC meetings and take required actions.
Hi Buddhika,
I think you are confusing 2 surveys. In the FAmSCo meeting we discussed Ankur's ambassadors survey from the beginning of the month [1] and not Uditha's survey about certifications and training.
But of course you are free to discuss whatever you want in the APAC meeting, you don't need a FAmSCo vote to bring something up on your agenda. ;)
Please let me take this opportunity to remind all of you: You make Fedora and the ambassadors project happen, not FAmSCo. If you want to do something, bring it up on the mailing list, coordinate your efforts with others and make it happen. Don't wait for FAmSCo.
Kind regards, Christoph
[1] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-December/018589.ht...
On 28.12.2011 21:45, Uditha Bandara Wijerathna wrote:
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training.
We are Ambassadors because we are already knowledged - right!?
And while i agree that continuously improvement is necessary and should also have a place in our Group, i do not think the Ambassadors Group is the place where people should apply to learn the basics on Linux-Administration or get RH-Discounts for RH-Certification or that we should focus to teach ourselves/Ambasssadors in classrooms - "this cooking in our own soup"(odd germany saying). As Ambassadors we are able to keep up and understand our geeky-non-people-person-friends and we create new knowledge from their research - not consume it!
Classrooms are great for mentorees or potential candidates from all the other groups in Fedora. But this would require that we make our job as liasons to other groups better and announce not only on the Ambassadors List but also on the channels where potential valuable future contributors hang around, who really need that teaching to become a contibutor in a group other than Ambassadors!
We are professional in doing events like no others - but this is not enough - we already worked that out several times! We have so much energy in our group but honestly, i think it is a misguided introversive energy which i wanted to see invested in a dozen times brought up topics - ask yourself what have we achieved if we look at our Ambassadors Group Goal 2011 that the last FAmSCo picked up?
http://kitall.blogspot.com/2011/02/ambassador-group-role-for-2011.html
Not much, right? We degraded not evolved!!!
cu Joerg
Hello Everyone,
Joerg, thank you for your e-mail. :)
On 28.12.2011 21:45, Uditha Bandara Wijerathna wrote:
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training.
We are Ambassadors because we are already knowledged - right!?
True.
And while i agree that continuously improvement is necessary and should also have a place in our Group, i do not think the Ambassadors Group is the place where people should apply to learn the basics on Linux-Administration or get RH-Discounts for RH-Certification or that we should focus to teach ourselves/Ambasssadors in classrooms - "this cooking in our own soup"(odd germany saying). As Ambassadors we are able to keep up and understand our geeky-non-people-person-friends and we create new knowledge from their research - not consume it! Classrooms are great for mentorees or potential candidates from all the other groups in Fedora. But this would require that we make our job as liasons to other groups better and announce not only on the Ambassadors List but also on the channels where potential valuable future contributors hang around, who really need that teaching to become a contibutor in a group other than Ambassadors! We are professional in doing events like no others - but this is not enough - we already worked that out several times! We have so much energy in our group but honestly, i think it is a misguided introversive energy which i wanted to see invested in a dozen times brought up topics
I understand where you are coming from. I will offer on my own training support considerations via #fedora-classroom to develop those who are interested. :)
- ask yourself what have we achieved if we look at our Ambassadors Group Goal 2011 that the last FAmSCo picked up?
That is a good question. With a new year, may this be an opportunity to do so. :)
http://kitall.blogspot.com/2011/02/ambassador-group-role-for-2011.html
The above is a good! :)
Not much, right? We degraded not evolved!!!
I strongly believe that I would like to see both Fedora Ambassadors Goals 2012 and Board Goals 2012, too. :) ======================================= I read both of these URLs, three times. :)
Ambassador Group Goal 2011 - * http://kitall.blogspot.com/2011/02/ambassador-group-role-for-2011.html
Board goals 2011 - * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board_goals_2011 ======================================= May such a consideration be useful to take into account for our new year. :v)
Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
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Am Donnerstag, den 29.12.2011, 02:15 +0530 schrieb Uditha Bandara Wijerathna:
Hello Everybody,
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
Hi Uditha,
it seems when I replied to your mail, I took the second step instead of the first. I told you that I think that the "desire to learn Fedora" and "get certified for RH" are two unrelated things and we should rather focus on Fedora.
But let me first ask you: What was your - or David's - expectation when you set up the survey? What is the goal you are trying to reach and where do you see FAmSCo's role? How can we support you?
I'm sorry for not asking these obvious questions in first place.
Regards, Christoph
Hello Everyone,
Greetings. :)
Christoph, thank you for your e-mail. :)
I've just created a survey to collect information from ambassadors regarding RH certifications and Fedora Training. This is a small survey and please spend few minutes to complete it. :)
The idea behind this survey is to collect information from ambassadors about their desire to learn Fedora and get certified from RH. After the collection of data, we can ask for the support from FAmSCo and come up with a better solution.
it seems when I replied to your mail, I took the second step instead of the first. I told you that I think that the "desire to learn Fedora" and "get certified for RH" are two unrelated things and we should rather focus on Fedora.
Excellent questions. :)
But let me first ask you: What was your - or David's - expectation when you set up the survey? What is the goal you are trying to reach and where do you see FAmSCo's role? How can we support you?
My goal was to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed for further development and growth in 2012. :)
The goal of the survey "Training Ideas for FAms" - http://lk.fedoracommunity.org/fam_rh_certification/ was to poll the Fedora Ambassadors for technical information which would be useful for their own increase in knowledge in order to accomplish their own goal. :)
Via the results of https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ... I strongly believe that some good ideas for topics to help empower our fellow Fedora Ambassadors via sources such as #fedora-classroom and others sources will follow. There are twenty four (24) people who have entered content of being interested in process and the results are interesting to read. :)
Lastly, I believe that to remember the beginners is very important. Especially, those who look for direction and guidance to be an effective ambassador are a necessary foundation and highly likely a refresher to re-establish the foundations for doing the right thing are needed as well as requisite for being able to conduct future contributions. :)
I think that with a new year, FAmSCo could consider something new in order to take care of the Fedora Ambassadors especially for education, collaboration, and communication. These choices are not easy but difficult, however these choices will provide lights of opportunity, if considered for support. :)
I'm sorry for not asking these obvious questions in first place.
Through questions come answers as well as may be more questions in order to make a clearer understanding. :)
http://quotationsbook.com/quote/30111/
* "Nothing is so unbelievable that oratory cannot make it acceptable." Cicero, Marcus T.
Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You
Sincerely
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Hi David,
On 03.01.2012 08:03, David Ramsey wrote:
Via the results of https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ... I strongly believe that some good ideas for topics to help empower our fellow Fedora Ambassadors via sources such as #fedora-classroom and others sources will follow. There are twenty four (24) people who have entered content of being interested in process and the results are interesting to read. :) Lastly, I believe that to remember the beginners is very important. Especially, those who look for direction and guidance to be an effective ambassador are a necessary foundation and highly likely a refresher to re-establish the foundations for doing the right thing are needed as well as requisite for being able to conduct future contributions. :) I think that with a new year, FAmSCo could consider something new in order to take care of the Fedora Ambassadors especially for education, collaboration, and communication. These choices are not easy but difficult, however these choices will provide lights of opportunity, if considered for support. :)
i always thought we have mentoring for that purpose and working together with the other groups should keep our knowledge in the loop! Maybe you should think creating another Group in FAS, where your goals find a place - i think Ambassadors is the wrong place. I already pointed out my reasons:
http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-December/018781.ht...
^^ unfortunately no answer or objection to it!?
regards Joerg
Hello Everyone,
Joerg, thank you for your e-mails. :)
Via the results of https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aplp6tv7mdWBdEVGRlJNY0dKQkp2bUJ... I strongly believe that some good ideas for topics to help empower our fellow Fedora Ambassadors via sources such as #fedora-classroom and others sources will follow. There are twenty four (24) people who have entered content of being interested in process and the results are interesting to read. :) Lastly, I believe that to remember the beginners is very important. Especially, those who look for direction and guidance to be an effective ambassador are a necessary foundation and highly likely a refresher to re-establish the foundations for doing the right thing are needed as well as requisite for being able to conduct future contributions. :) I think that with a new year, FAmSCo could consider something new in order to take care of the Fedora Ambassadors especially for education, collaboration, and communication. These choices are not easy but difficult, however these choices will provide lights of opportunity, if considered for support. :)
i always thought we have mentoring for that purpose and working together with the other groups should keep our knowledge in the loop!
Sounds good to me. :)
Maybe you should think creating another Group in FAS, where your goals find a place - i think Ambassadors is the wrong place. I already pointed out my reasons: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/ambassadors/2011-December/018781.ht...
^^ unfortunately no answer or objection to it!?
Oh, most certainly I will answer on Udith's behalf. :)
Please have a Great Fedora day and/or evening! :~)
Thank You
Sincerely
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- David -
=-=-=-=-=
David Ramsey
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一石二鳥 いっせきにちょう
One stone; two birds.
To kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
=
Fedora Project's Japan & Maryland Ambassador dramsey@fedoraproject.org * http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey With sixteen (16) x86_64 computing cores, 80 GB of RAM and eight SATA Seagate 7200.12 - 500 GB harddisks. The system definitions are at the following URL: * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dramsey#Using_embedded_code_have_updates...
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Am Dienstag, den 03.01.2012, 02:03 -0500 schrieb David Ramsey:
My goal was to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed for further development and growth in 2012. :)
Hi David,
I couldn't agree more! Of course I want further development, both on a personal level and on a project level. I also think that IRC classrooms are an excellent way to achieve this.
However I feel like the intention of the poll was very different. If was clearly focused on in certification rather than learning and on Red Hat rather then Fedora. Just look at the URL, the intro text or the questions.
This being said I am very happy with the outcome of the survey: While nearly all participants are interested in certifications, most say that they want to learn about Fedora in first place and this is not Red Hat's job.
We have a lot of professional people in our team and we should try to help ourselves. With this survey we know what topics people are interested in and we are much more flexible and can serve these needs better than any Red Hat professional trainer.
*Personally* I think that Red Hat *could* offer support for contributors if they want to receive training or certification, but I am not sure what this support should look like and if this is an action item for FAmSCo. I recall this was already discussed some years back but the board made no decision and there was no agreement with Red Hat sales what so ever.
As long as there are no real facts we should not advocate this. I don't want anybody to join the ambassadors just to get free Red Hat certifications, I want people to join because they want to achieve something for Fedora and themselves.
Kind regards, Christoph
On 06/01/12 11:46, Christoph Wickert wrote:
Am Dienstag, den 03.01.2012, 02:03 -0500 schrieb David Ramsey:
My goal was to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed for further development and growth in 2012. :)
Hi David,
I couldn't agree more! Of course I want further development, both on a personal level and on a project level. I also think that IRC classrooms are an excellent way to achieve this.
However I feel like the intention of the poll was very different. If was clearly focused on in certification rather than learning and on Red Hat rather then Fedora. Just look at the URL, the intro text or the questions.
This being said I am very happy with the outcome of the survey: While nearly all participants are interested in certifications, most say that they want to learn about Fedora in first place and this is not Red Hat's job.
We have a lot of professional people in our team and we should try to help ourselves. With this survey we know what topics people are interested in and we are much more flexible and can serve these needs better than any Red Hat professional trainer.
*Personally* I think that Red Hat *could* offer support for contributors if they want to receive training or certification, but I am not sure what this support should look like and if this is an action item for FAmSCo. I recall this was already discussed some years back but the board made no decision and there was no agreement with Red Hat sales what so ever.
As long as there are no real facts we should not advocate this. I don't want anybody to join the ambassadors just to get free Red Hat certifications, I want people to join because they want to achieve something for Fedora and themselves.
Kind regards, Christoph
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I could have not summed it up any better. A big fat +1 from me.
Regards, Tristan
Hello Everyone,
Thank you Christoph and Tristan for your e-mails. :)
My goal was to see the personnel development for the Fedora Ambassadors interested in learning more about Fedora via #fedora-classroom & study as a seed for further development and growth in 2012. :)
I couldn't agree more! Of course I want further development, both on a personal level and on a project level. I also think that IRC classrooms are an excellent way to achieve this.
We want to help continue our #fedora-classroom IRCs. ;)
However I feel like the intention of the poll was very different. If was clearly focused on in certification rather than learning and on Red Hat rather then Fedora. Just look at the URL, the intro text or the questions.
Yes, we tried to delta the textual to reflect our purposes. :)
This being said I am very happy with the outcome of the survey: While nearly all participants are interested in certifications, most say that they want to learn about Fedora in first place and this is not Red Hat's job.
Me, too. ;)
We have a lot of professional people in our team and we should try to help ourselves. With this survey we know what topics people are interested in and we are much more flexible and can serve these needs better than any Red Hat professional trainer.
Yes, so true. :)
*Personally* I think that Red Hat *could* offer support for contributors if they want to receive training or certification, but I am not sure what this support should look like and if this is an action item for FAmSCo. I recall this was already discussed some years back but the board made no decision and there was no agreement with Red Hat sales what so ever.
As long as there are no real facts we should not advocate this. I don't want anybody to join the ambassadors just to get free Red Hat certifications, I want people to join because they want to achieve something for Fedora and themselves.
Absolutely, you are so correct. :)
I could have not summed it up any better. A big fat +1 from me.
+1 :) Please have a Great Fedora weekend! :~)
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