El 29 de marzo de 2011 03:40, Fedora Ambassador Membership Administration < fama@fedoraproject.org> escribió:
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Hi Manuel,
On 03/29/2011 10:45 AM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
Wow... it seems I've been removed as an ambassador, don't know exacly
why.
See a lot of E-mails but not quite sure about what happened, Can someone explain me? What should I do now? Who's my mentor? Exactly Why is this happening?
I am sorry, we got several complains about Fedora Ambassador Conduct Violations while your work as a official representative for the Fedora Project, within the Fedora Infrastructure (Fedora Planet)
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items
I found them valid (Microsoft and flash posts, wrong technical advice) and saw also the recent approach to help you from Maria - who was your initial Mentor - to clarify why you should not post forbidden items as an Ambassador and to filter that information out of the Fedora Infrastructure.
FAmSCo as the legislative to shape the Conduct and the Forbidden Items made the rules.
I am in charge as the Fedora Ambassador Membership Administrator, if you want to blame someone personally for the decission itself, i am accountable for that decission!
You are NOT removed from the Ambassadors Group - you are back in mentoring state, because we think you are a valuable contributor but need some more mentoring about the duties of a official Spokesman for the Fedora Project. We have a own conduct which restricts ourself as long as we act as Fedora Ambassadors. As "normal" Contributor of course you have every freedom to post legal content you want. As Ambassador you should filter forbidden items this was told you already as far as i am informed.
kind regards Joerg
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@jsimon: Don't know What to say, speechless... Wrong technical advice? is this because of the discussion with that "Cristoph" guy? Oh!, never tought there were this kind of intolerant people inside the Linux Communities Ecosystem...
Did you read all the Mails?
First of all, the technical advise I give to people is always tested first by me and I always explain what it does, PROS, CONS, everything. The people have a choice, I always ensure they knowing what they're doing, and my advices work!
But okey... ¿Microsoft and Flash posts? (Oh yeah, this is because of the Cristoph guy...) Well, my "Windows 7 post" was created because I tought some fedora users with VM's might be interested in knowing how to tweak the horrible appereance of seven in their VM's, because THERE ARE Fedora users with Windows 7 in their VM's, I'm one of them.
Flash posts? Of course I make flash posts... Any "Normal user", no matter what platform they use, USE FLASH you know? Sorry, but "Gnash" it's not mature enough... I just want to say, Why would I advice my users to use something that don't fit their needs because it's "more free" than other alternative?
People have CHOICE, and that's why they use Linux, Windows, MacOS, or don't know, they wear jeans some days... I don't want to be a Fedora Ambassador if it means "become intolerant and a radical fanatic of free software, telling people to avoid using their choice right"...
Some people talk about Linux trolls, communty segmentation, Hate Between users, but if I came to Fedora is because I tought here, the thing would be different that the way the world is used to see Linux communities...
I'm kinda dissapointed with what I found... I use Linux because I love freedom and of course free software, But freedom isn't about telling people what to do in their own benefit (example use Linux instead of Windows, because last one is crap or: Linux User, Use Gnash because Flash and Adobe are enemies of our philosophy) Freedom, for me, is about having a Choice of do with your life whatever you want watching not to hurt other's freedom...
Thinking of Freedom like "Using only Free software and avoiding talking about our enemies" as some people like stallman does, is kinda fascist. As I said in other mail to the Cristoph guy: it's like criticizing a gay couple with children because they're different than your family or not talking/talking bad things about someone just because he/she do not has your same religious beliefs and you think you're right and he/she is not. In the moment you attack other people because of the choices they made or even if you get angry because of that, it doesn't matter how "free" your cause is, because, due to your radicalism you're shrinking people's freedom without even realizing it.
Fascism has drove humankind to their darkest hours in their history, with characters like Hitler. Respect the lifes of other members and having a little more open mind would be the first principle/rule of ANY Linux Community, Because Linux is about REAL FREEDOM, Not the definition of Freedon that a little group of radical people have...
I'm not going to be a Fedora Ambassador to tell the people to shrink their freedom. I WANT to be a Fedora Ambassador to tell them, "You have Choice, Use Linux and Fedora"...
What is happening here with me, it's kinda unfair, but not going to argue with people that don't even Know me...
Have a Nice Day.
P.S. Yep, Maria Told me, I Tried to delete the post from the planet but I wasn't able to do That... Nobody told me how to do that, cristoph guy and now you just sat on their chairs and start throwing this crap at me...
All this "filth" is coming to me in hard times in my life right now, many bad luck and problems lately, I don't even want to fight you anymore... GoodBye.
Hi Manuel,
on the Ambassadors List now - i am ok with public transparency - just wanted to protect your privacy!
On 03/29/2011 10:55 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
@jsimon: Don't know What to say, speechless... Wrong technical advice? is this because of the discussion with that "Cristoph" guy?
No, it was my unbiased evaluation. You´ve got advices from different people before.
Oh!, never tought there were this kind of intolerant people inside the Linux Communities Ecosystem... Did you read all the Mails?
No, I made the decission based on facts - according to https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Conduct https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items
- public use of Microsoft Logos and Artwork in the Fedora Infra - you have got complains and warnings from several people
- use of co-branding Fedora <-> Flash Logo in the Fedora Infra - ignoring the warnings
The "wrong" technical advice was not the cause for the decission - i make technical mistakes myself - but we should avoid that people face major data loss:
- to make a "rm -rf ~/.kde" <- really? what is with my kmail email-data then?
Once again you are not removed from the group - you are on mentoring - otherwise you would not be able to post on this list.
It is ok to have a strong personal opinion and ego - but if they are so fundamental different from the message that we have in Fedora - maybe Fedora Ambassadors is not for you - and i say that without any personal sentiment. Please self-reflect if what you post helps Fedora or if it helps only you and your ego!
Kind Regards Joerg
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