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Re: [Design-team] Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Onyeibo Oku 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

> Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response. > > I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for > the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the > design considerations and target audience of this project. Naturally, "Official" means priority. There is no need for a comparison. Both are essential and cover different scopes. I understand the DIY version should serve in the absence of the official version -- something cheap to keep the Fedora spirit flowing. > Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are > inevitable. I was referring to our present solution. We can change that. > If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would > greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope > that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and > folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have > in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two > examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have > provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I > appreciate. > > As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these > generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for > some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink > jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers > the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources. Ok. I'll revisit the design and strip it of fills and gradients. I'd suggest a Grayscale (monochrome) version that can come off a Laserjet. That shouldn't raise dampening concerns and maintenance costs. > Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try > out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see > if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD > itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width. > I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the > instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not > intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little > practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we > have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something > customized would be nice if time allows. I meant embedding notes like "crease here" or fold dots within the design not as a page full of grammar & illustrations. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways ... correct me if I'm wrong. I am not insisting on status-quo ... I buy the origami concept and will adapt the design to it using the instructions on the other website I provided (i.e. for dotted fold marks). I was suggesting that we leave the present folding concept as an alternative for those who might prefer that, especially on glossy cardboard. Its ok to use the CD as a guide ... but remember we're providing a design that should appear somewhere after all folds are done. We need to establish dimensions for consistency. > I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the > feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent > alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make > use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs > are available. That's what I thought. We have to agree on end user as graphic impressions have a way of selling the product. The origami site addressed personal concerns (those who want to carry their CDs with them). Ours appear to have a different target -- we're giving the product to a third party, on a temporary jacket (which should be compelling as well or we're communicating mediocrity without knowing it). I also considered the context of the Sleeve. It carries the Community Thing with it ... you know, "....this one comes to you from your local community". That informs the recipient that a group of Fedora Users came together to provide his/her copy. All these affect the psychology of the design. > I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent > basis for all derived designs. > > Regards, > > Grant Bowman > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Regards too ...(hehehe), Onyeibo -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own

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Fedora 12 Final Release Banners
by Alexander Smirnov 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

Hi all! I've uploaded two themes Final Release Banners (based on wallpaper: Jayme Ayres and Mo.) <http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/fedora12-countdown-banner_en/fedora12-cou…> 1. http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora12-released-banner-1.png - small version. http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora12-released-banner-big-1.png - big version. 2. http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora12-released-banner-2.png - small version. http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org/Fedora12-released-banner-big-2.png - big version. Sources here http://inkscaper.fedorapeople.org Thanks, Alexander

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Fedora 12 large website banner
by Ricky Zhou 12 Nov '09

12 Nov '09

Hi, do we have an equivalent of this large banner for F12? http://fedoraproject.org/static/images/f11launch.jpg I just realized that it's still blank on the current f12 website. Thanks, Ricky

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Re: [Design-team] Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by twohot 11 Nov '09

11 Nov '09

> Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response. > > I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for > the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the > design considerations and target audience of this project. Naturally, "Official" means priority. There is no need for a comparison. Both are essential and cover different scopes. I understand the DIY version should serve in the absence of the official version -- something cheap to keep the Fedora spirit flowing. > Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are > inevitable. I was referring to our present solution. We can change that. > If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would > greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope > that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and > folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have > in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two > examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have > provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I > appreciate. > > As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these > generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for > some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink > jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers > the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources. Ok. I'll revisit the design and strip it of fills and gradients. I'd suggest a Grayscale (monochrome) version that can come off a Laserjet. That shouldn't raise dampening concerns and maintenance costs. > Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try > out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see > if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD > itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width. > I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the > instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not > intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little > practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we > have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something > customized would be nice if time allows. I meant embedding notes like "crease here" or fold dots within the design not as webpage full of grammar. I think we're saying the same thing in different ways ... correct me if I'm wrong. I am not insisting on status-quo ... I buy the origami concept and will adapt the design to it using the instructions on the other site I provided (i.e. for dotted fold marks). I was suggesting that we leave the present folding concept as an alternative for those who might prefer that, especially on glossy cardboard. Its ok to use the CD as a guide ... but remember we're providing a design that should appear somewhere after all folds are done. We need to establish dimensions for consistency. > I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the > feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent > alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make > use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs > are available. That's what I thought. We have to agree on end user as graphic impressions have a way of selling the product. The origami site addressed personal concerns (those who want to carry their CDs with them). Ours appear to have a different target -- we're giving the product to a third party, on a temporary jacket (which should be compelling as well or we're communicating mediocrity without knowing it). I also considered the context of the Sleeve. It carries the Community Thing with it ... you know, "....this one comes to you from your local community". That informs the recipient that a group of Fedora Users came together to provide his/her copy. All these affect the psychology of the design. > I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent > basis for all derived designs. > > Regards, > > Grant Bowman > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors Counter Regards ...(hehehe), Onyeibo -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own

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[echo-perspective] lock icon
by Kris Thomsen 11 Nov '09

11 Nov '09

Hi fellow Art-Pandas! I have worked a bit on a lock icon - please give me some critique on this... I want it a bit more realistic, but can't find out how ;) http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/lock.png http://code-geek.baah.dk/Echo/lock.svg // Kris

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Upcoming schedule tasks
by John Poelstra 11 Nov '09

11 Nov '09

Start End Name Mon 02-Nov Fri 06-Nov Create Final Release Banners Tue 03-Nov Mon 16-Nov Polish/Finalize Release Party Posters Wed 11-Nov Wed 11-Nov F12 Project Wide Release Readiness Meeting Tue 17-Nov Tue 17-Nov GA Release

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Re: Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Grant Bowman 10 Nov '09

10 Nov '09

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:05:20 +0100 Onyeibo wrote: > Grant wrote: >> I just emailed logo@ to get a proper SVG logo for using with Scribus. >> The 1.3.3 version I'm using has trouble with the non-standard SVG that >> I downloaded from http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/ - I think >> in part because the images are not embedded. The source files would >> be very helpful. Using Inkscape 0.47 I get the following errors: >> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: >> /home/t2hot/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_083418.png >> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: >> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085318.png >> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: >> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085504.png >> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: >> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_091443.png > > I'm sorry you had to go through that process -- my fault. Actually, I > received approval and copies of the fedora logos shortly after uploading > that version. I've also updated the design to include the approved > logos. You will find them here: > http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/. Let me know if this meets > your needs. > >> Onyeibo, have you tried to print out and use your version? I have >> successfully used many paper sleeves for myself and others. The >> designed should be easy to create without using any glue, staples, >> tape, scissors, etc. The folding design shown >> http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2005-02-13_oragamicdholder.php >> is excellent. > > No, I've not attempted to print-out the design but everything was done > with precision and life-size dimensions (trusting that the Inkscape > rulers are accurate). Our design (so far) evolved from your initial job > description which referenced an Ubuntu DIY sleeve. I only made the fold > simpler. The present solution should go well on Cardboard, Photo paper > and art paper. Glue and Scissors are inevitable. I followed your link > and checked out the origami ... interesting concept. However, I suspect > the use of a regular 60-80gms A4 paper there. Those don't always > respond well, especially if we want designs that have gradients and > fills ... and we're running prints with inkjet printers. I'll try the > origami on Cardboard and assess the outcome. > >> One note on this artwork is that the fold and how to open the sleeve >> is needed as end users can be baffled by the sheer cleverness of the >> folding design the first time they see it. When I am using the CD as >> a guide to fold and writing the cover by hand I usually put "open >> here" on the lip of the paper where the flap folds into. > > http://www.tgries.de/origami/CD-A4-Thomas-Hull.pdf provides a better > description of the same fold. Sure, we could include some 'mini' fold > notes. > > >> I will begin work on a new design including all the feedback so far. >> Having a design that can be used across different versions of Fedora >> will be helpful for volunteers so that new artwork will not be >> required for each release, though of course derivatives are possible >> with each release's artwork. >> >> I did not see a clear place to create a wiki page below >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork so I created this page which I >> hope will be moved to some place more official later. >> >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Grantbow/DiySleeve > > Wow! I'm not sure that is the right way to go about this. It might be > necessary to consult the old-timers on how they published project > progress and reports. You might want to consider publishing 1-3 folding > alternatives with our final designs ... and leave the choosing to the > Users. > >> I look forward to working with you, >> >> Grant Bowman >> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors > >You're Welcome > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response. I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the design considerations and target audience of this project. Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are inevitable. If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users. I hope that a simple and effective DIY sleeve can be printed anywhere and folded at a moment's notice. Standard paper is what most people have in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve. Two examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I appreciate. As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink jet refill cartridges. I like the text you have provided which covers the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources. Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions. I'll try out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see if it works better for me. I know from experience that using the CD itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width. I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime. Both of the instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little practice. I don't see the need to create new instructions when we have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something customized would be nice if time allows. I look forward to continuing to work on this. I appreciate the feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent alternative for giving Fedora to others. One reason we all might make use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs are available. I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent basis for all derived designs. Regards, Grant Bowman https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors

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Inkscape Course for Jr. High Students
by Máirín Duffy 10 Nov '09

10 Nov '09

Hi folks, My Red Hat office, the Boston office, is going to be doing a program with a local middle school / jr. high (students are 11-14 I think) and I'm going to be teaching a 9 session (45 minutes a piece) course in Inkscape to the students. We are trying to introduce the students to the concept of free software & open content licenses such as Creative Commons, plus teach them how to use this useful tool that might help them in their academic career. I'm trying to put together a lesson plan for the course. But I fear that it moves way too fast, especially for 45-minute sessions. I know many of you, I am sure, have given Inkscape tutorials to other folks, and I am wondering if any of you would have time to give me advice or even help me develop the lesson plan. I set up a wiki to store all the materials: http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Introduction_To_Inkscape (I also have materials from a 1-week class I taught at Red Hat High with John Bintz and MentalGuy from Inkscape: http://linuxgrrl.com/learn/Comic_Book_Creation_with_Inkscape) ~m

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AmateurRadio Wiki Banner, Logo, and default icon
by Anuj Aggarwal 10 Nov '09

10 Nov '09

Hello frankly3d, Can I have this project ? AmateurRadio Wiki Banner, Logo, and default icon ! I want to contribute some graphics. Thanks, Anuj.

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Fwd: Re: Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve
by Onyeibo Oku 09 Nov '09

09 Nov '09

Dear Grant See comments interspersed with yours: > I just emailed logo@ to get a proper SVG logo for using with Scribus. > The 1.3.3 version I'm using has trouble with the non-standard SVG that > I downloaded from http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/ - I think > in part because the images are not embedded. The source files would > be very helpful. Using Inkscape 0.47 I get the following errors: > ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: > /home/t2hot/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_083418.png > ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: > /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085318.png > ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: > /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085504.png > ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: > /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_091443.png I'm sorry you had to go through that process -- my fault. Actually, I received approval and copies of the fedora logos shortly after uploading that version. I've also updated the design to include the approved logos. You will find them here: http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/. Let me know if this meets your needs. > Onyeibo, have you tried to print out and use your version? I have > successfully used many paper sleeves for myself and others. The > designed should be easy to create without using any glue, staples, > tape, scissors, etc. The folding design shown > http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2005-02-13_oragamicdholder.php > is excellent. No, I've not attempted to print-out the design but everything was done with precision and life-size dimensions (trusting that the Inkscape rulers are accurate). Our design (so far) evolved from your initial job description which referenced an Ubuntu DIY sleeve. I only made the fold simpler. The present solution should go well on Cardboard, Photo paper and art paper. Glue and Scissors are inevitable. I followed your link and checked out the origami ... interesting concept. However, I suspect the use of a regular 60-80gms A4 paper there. Those don't always respond well, especially if we want designs that have gradients and fills ... and we're running prints with inkjet printers. I'll try the origami on Cardboard and assess the outcome. > One note on this artwork is that the fold and how to open the sleeve > is needed as end users can be baffled by the sheer cleverness of the > folding design the first time they see it. When I am using the CD as > a guide to fold and writing the cover by hand I usually put "open > here" on the lip of the paper where the flap folds into. http://www.tgries.de/origami/CD-A4-Thomas-Hull.pdf provides a better description of the same fold. Sure, we could include some 'mini' fold notes. > I will begin work on a new design including all the feedback so far. > Having a design that can be used across different versions of Fedora > will be helpful for volunteers so that new artwork will not be > required for each release, though of course derivatives are possible > with each release's artwork. > > I did not see a clear place to create a wiki page below > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork so I created this page which I > hope will be moved to some place more official later. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Grantbow/DiySleeve Wow! I'm not sure that is the right way to go about this. It might be necessary to consult the old-timers on how they published project progress and reports. You might want to consider publishing 1-3 folding alternatives with our final designs ... and leave the choosing to the Users. > I look forward to working with you, > > Grant Bowman > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors You're Welcome -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be

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