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Re: [Design-team] About nuancier
by Pierre-Yves Chibon 08 Jan '14

08 Jan '14

On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > Hi, > > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr> > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure back to > have an > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that would be > not > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the wiki. > So there > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I submitted > it to > > the wiki. > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else. > > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then? So we actually want to consider the case where: * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier * Jane does not want to create a FAS account * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her ?? Who should get the badge then? Joe, who took the picture? Jane, who saw and liked the picture and thought it would make a good wallpaper for Fedora? Dave who agreed with Jane and actually did the work? And what if Jane gave the idea to Johan that knew someone in the Fedora community and thus asked Gustave who could submit the artwork and Gustave too busy told Johan that Dave should be able to? I mean, we can probably make it as complex as we want, but at the end I think the simpler the better: * author: the person that made the artwork * submiter: the person that submitted the artwork Note:: To submit atm one still has to be CLA+1 (same restriction as for voting) > > for the rules: > > * comfortaa is bad to read > > I used it because it was on the mockups, I am fine with using the > standard > fonts. > > its fine for headlines, but not for content Fixed > > * it's unclear that the name for the submission is meant with that > > Would 'Title' be better? (see previous discussion with Kirk) > > yes Fixed > > * tried to upload a file with the name "test" took endless long and > > failed, can we rename them with "name-by-author-size.*" that is > what has > > do be done anyway > > See above. > Otherwise, I can think of 2 options: > 1) we can split the submission onto two pages but I don't think that > this is nice. > 2) I add a 'test submission' button that checks if the title is unique > and > inform the user if it is not. > > the renaming would be easier, somebody might have submitted a file named > "flower" but definitly not flower-by-name.* Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it as such? > > * the upload takes way to long, fear we have to do the test after > the > > upload otherwise, somebody with a lot of submissions will break up > after a > > few > > See above. > The file is uploaded as part of the form, so I cannot check before if > the data > submitted is valid or not. > > I think the check of sizes take that long, not of the other data. I think > the split of the submission would be nicer, when its done the right way > > > as the question for the licenses already came up > > > > CC0 > > CC-BY > > CC-BY-SA > > DSL > > Free Art > > No other licenses are accepted? > > that are the licenses from > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 who makes sense > for pictures The current wiki pages pretty much says that any licenses from this page is fine, that's why I went for the text field instead of the drop-down list. But I'm fine only allowing these 5 licenses if that's what we want (see below) > > but here please no autofill! So when dropdown, with an empty field > and > > that should not allowed, so that the submitter has to choose! > > Well CC-BY-SA will be the default (first) option. > > please not, simple the submitter will use it without knowing what it is. > We have to make sure he CHOOSE it Fixed using drop-down list, no default and no license is not a valid choice :) > > Review: > > > > * for what purpose is the text field on the end? > > Explain why a candidate is rejected > > your second submission eg has to be rejected " brand or trademark" ;) Well that's the information that will be given to the submiter, so it has to be something "nice" and self-explanatory, "Images contains a brand" is a valid reason to reject a submission :) Pierre

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Re: [Design-team] design-team Digest, Vol 56, Issue 9
by tejas g 22 Dec '13

22 Dec '13

Can i get something to do? On Thu, Dec 19, 2013, at 01:00 PM, design-team-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org wrote: > Send design-team mailing list submissions to > design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > design-team-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > design-team-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of design-team digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: About nuancier (S.Kemter) > 2. Re: About nuancier (Pierre-Yves Chibon) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 15:24:12 +0100 > From: "S.Kemter" <sirko.kemter(a)gmail.com> > To: Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr> > Cc: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: [Design-team] About nuancier > Message-ID: > <CAKBdXuc42uqZxfig1E3a02mUri-JHuc=DTkkDbgywh34Qnd_QA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi, > > > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr> > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 02:33:17PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > > > 2013/12/18 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr> > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 01:40:44PM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > > > > First of all, I am still not convinced to get the pressure > > back to > > > have an > > > > FAS account for an submission, we agreed for F19 that that > > would be > > > not > > > > necessary but we had no way arround as you need one for the > > wiki. > > > So there > > > > was only two who used the way to send me something and I > > submitted > > > it to > > > > the wiki. > > > > > > Well you can still submit the file in the name of someone else. > > > > > > yeah but you are not the author, so how shall I notice that then? > > > > So we actually want to consider the case where: > > * Joe takes a pictures and puts it on flicker under CC-BY-SA > > * Jane sees the picture and likes it a lot > > * Jane wants to submit it to nuancier > > * Jane does not want to create a FAS account > > * Jane asks Dave to upload the picture taken by Joe for her > > > > ?? > > > > wowowow, just make it simple possible to submit without FAS account. For > F19 we had already the case that somebody submitted the work of somebody > else with another license. You always question me, why I have to > disqualify > if its not correct licensed eg but in this case the author changed the > license after an conversation. > > > > > Who should get the badge then? Joe, who took the picture? Jane, who saw and > > liked the picture and thought it would make a good wallpaper for Fedora? > > Dave > > who agreed with Jane and actually did the work? > > > > first of all, no FAS account no page at badges.fp.o or? But the question > was already raised during the last submission period as we had the case. > I > raised already the question remember and we had an discussion about on > IRC > "to crawl the internet for good pictures, is also considered valuable > contribution and a badge should be awarded" not me who said that! > > > > > And what if Jane gave the idea to Johan that knew someone in the Fedora > > community and thus asked Gustave who could submit the artwork and Gustave > > too > > busy told Johan that Dave should be able to? > > > > I mean, we can probably make it as complex as we want, but at the end I > > think > > the simpler the better: > > * author: the person that made the artwork > > * submiter: the person that submitted the artwork > > > > > > Note:: To submit atm one still has to be CLA+1 (same restriction as for > > voting) > > > > for submission that was never asked for, just for the voting > > > > > > > for the rules: > > > > * comfortaa is bad to read > > > > > > I used it because it was on the mockups, I am fine with using the > > > standard > > > fonts. > > > > > > its fine for headlines, but not for content > > > > Fixed > > > > > > * it's unclear that the name for the submission is meant with > > that > > > > > > Would 'Title' be better? (see previous discussion with Kirk) > > > > > > yes > > > > Fixed > > > > > > * tried to upload a file with the name "test" took endless > > long and > > > > failed, can we rename them with "name-by-author-size.*" that is > > > what has > > > > do be done anyway > > > > > > See above. > > > Otherwise, I can think of 2 options: > > > 1) we can split the submission onto two pages but I don't think that > > > this is nice. > > > 2) I add a 'test submission' button that checks if the title is > > unique > > > and > > > inform the user if it is not. > > > > > > the renaming would be easier, somebody might have submitted a file > > named > > > "flower" but definitly not flower-by-name.* > > > > Then the titles becomes "Unicorn rocks pandas-by-mizmo"? And we display it > > as > > such? > > > > isnt there a difference between file name and name? > > > > > > > * the upload takes way to long, fear we have to do the test > > after > > > the > > > > upload otherwise, somebody with a lot of submissions will > > break up > > > after a > > > > few > > > > > > See above. > > > The file is uploaded as part of the form, so I cannot check before > > if > > > the data > > > submitted is valid or not. > > > > > > I think the check of sizes take that long, not of the other data. I > > think > > > the split of the submission would be nicer, when its done the right > > way > > > > > > > as the question for the licenses already came up > > > > > > > > CC0 > > > > CC-BY > > > > CC-BY-SA > > > > DSL > > > > Free Art > > > > > > No other licenses are accepted? > > > > > > that are the licenses from > > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing#Good_Licenses_3 who makes > > sense > > > for pictures > > > > The current wiki pages pretty much says that any licenses from this page is > > fine, that's why I went for the text field instead of the drop-down list. > > But I'm fine only allowing these 5 licenses if that's what we want > > (see below) > > > > please read, there are differences between "content" and "code" licenses > > > > > > > but here please no autofill! So when dropdown, with an empty > > field > > > and > > > > that should not allowed, so that the submitter has to choose! > > > > > > Well CC-BY-SA will be the default (first) option. > > > > > > please not, simple the submitter will use it without knowing what it > > is. > > > We have to make sure he CHOOSE it > > > > Fixed using drop-down list, no default and no license is not a valid > > choice :) > > > > > > Review: > > > > > > > > * for what purpose is the text field on the end? > > > > > > Explain why a candidate is rejected > > > > > > your second submission eg has to be rejected " brand or trademark" ;) > > > > Well that's the information that will be given to the submiter, so it has > > to be > > something "nice" and self-explanatory, "Images contains a brand" is a valid > > reason to reject a submission :) > > > > There are more reasons ;) > > > br gnokii > > > > > > > Pierre > > > > > > -- > make me rich, buy my Inkscape book http://is.gd/yq5OD0 ;) >

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About nuancier
by Pierre-Yves Chibon 18 Dec '13

18 Dec '13

Hi all, I have started to work a little more on nuancier. With the changes that are in the current git, users may log in (via FAS), upload their wallpaper with a corresponding name, license and author (in case the author is not the submitter). When they upload, I restrict the content using the filename (extension), the mime type of the file and I check for a minimal width (1600px) and height (1200px). Admins can then moderate all the candidates and they must justify when they deny a candidate. Maybe we could trigger the badge at this stage, when the wallpaper gets accepted. The elections are now time-based (so no-one needs to stay awake until the middle of the night to press the toggle button). Questions: - What more is needed when uploading a picture? - Other ideas in general? - Could we come up with a list of extensions accepted? (I have jpeg, jpg, png, svg atm and I check them lower case, so JPEG will pass) - Similarly could we come up with a list of MIME types for images that we would accept? (Atm I have only: 'image/jpeg', 'image/jpg', 'image/png') Finally, I have the same restrictions for contributing (uploading a wallpaper) and for voting. These are: having an account on FAS, have signed the CLA, being in at least one more group than CLA. I realize that this is already a change from the current procedure, but I find it unfair that people that submit a wallpaper cannot vote for themselves. So I would either stick with these restrictions or open the votes to people that are in no other group than CLA. Thoughts on all this? Cheers, Pierre

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hello
by tejas g 17 Dec '13

17 Dec '13

I am interested in joining this team. My name is Jasper Felix and I am 25. I currently make pictures for my blog at super-studios.blogspot.com, and I want to help the fedora project design team. I have been using fedora since the 12th release came out. I like makeing logos with inkscape, blender, and gimp. I can help with icons and logos. -- Jasper Felix

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add me to email list
by tejas g 14 Dec '13

14 Dec '13

email address: tejgop(a)myopera.com -- Jasper Felix

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Re: [Design-team] About nuancier
by Pierre-Yves Chibon 05 Dec '13

05 Dec '13

On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 08:50:40AM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > 2013/12/5 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr> > On Thu, Dec 05, 2013 at 02:09:53AM +0100, S.Kemter wrote: > We could make it so that you provide an email address on upload and > receive a > link to validate the address by email. > But that's quite a larger change. > > The wiki page does not say only a valid email address but also having > signed CLA > and that I will not emulate on nuancier. > > about cla we had a discussion with spot, because we had someone who wanted > to contribute but not sign cla, end was we dont need it. I didnt change it > on the wiki page. Ok so what we could do is simply ask for a FAS account to submit a wallpaper, remove the restriction to CLA/CLA+1 > mail address sure its not written there as they have to submit to the wiki > and therefore they need an FAS account, which is connected to an mail > address, my problem there is I have sometimes to Missing the end of the sentence? > I had to disqualify this time submissions never had to do that before And what criteria did you use for this? > Is that really a problem? Do we really expect a jump in participation? > I mean 128 person voted on the last one, do we care if we get 200 next > time > because we did not impose CLA+1? > To be honest, I am not sure I mind and I would find it fair that the > people that > submit their artwork can vote on it, that, at least, you are sure your > submission > get at least one vote! > > small story here, openSUSE has a system called openFATE its for feature > ideas. As you know openSUSE brings on DVD image all desktop they offer and > on installation you have to decide which one. After many complains from > the community KDE was unchecked, so you really had to decide which desktop > you want. One day a guy named Frank Karlitschek made a feature request to > undo that, because you can not simple click trough the installation > routine, guess what happend with that feature request. There was so many > names I really know they dont use openSUSE like Lydia Pintscher or our own > Lukas Tinkl voted on that, so it became reality then. And that was a bad thing? > I dont think it will be simple 80 voters more, it will be more 2/3 are > people without cla+1, they will be the majority then. How will we prevent, > that somebody with a lot of friends submit something, maybe ugly and all > his friends vote for it? We will have it then definitely in the > collection. On what ground do you judge something to be ugly or not? As long as the criteria provided are followed, there is nothing preventing anyone to submit something. If that person has a lot of friends, they will all have to create a FAS account to vote. Maybe that will attract more people to Fedora : "What is this thing I have to create an account on to help my friend?" And if the people from the community do not like the result of a vote and maybe that will motivate them to vote next time (in practice I'm not sure it will but...) > Show me a technically solution to prevent that and we can go for full open > voting. Show me a reasonnable/non-subjective reason for not doing it :) Cheers, Pierre

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