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Hello, my name is ... Kirk Bridger
by Kirk Bridger 18 Dec '10

18 Dec '10

Hi everyone, My name is Kirk, I'm looking to get more involved with the design team. My background is as a user experience professional and business analyst. I'm currently the UX Advocate for Liferea, and am looking to contribute further to Fedora specifically. I've migrated from Ubuntu as their design direction doesn't really match my computer use practices. Which brings us to the current discussion about Gnome3 and the background. I don't really have any history with this team so I'll continue to lurk on the discussion. Looking forward to lending a hand in some manner! Kirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No amount of genius can overcome a preoccupation with detail. /*Marion J. Levy*/

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GNOME background in Fedora 15
by Catalin 18 Dec '10

18 Dec '10

Why not do a trick. We can use default wallpapers from KDE, Gnome, XFCE and then use a script to put the fedora logo on the screen. Something like: http://catalin-festila.blogspot.com/2010/12/christmas-new-decor-script-for-… The advantage is that we can customize how we want. If we want to go further, then we synchronize the script with a calendar on your desktop and can display images and text according to major events. Good luck. -- My sites: http://catalin-festila.blogspot.com -about me http://tv.free-tutorials.org - video tutorials http://python-catalin.blogspot.com - my python blog

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Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15
by Luya Tshimbalanga 18 Dec '10

18 Dec '10

Thank you for providing summary about bg theme proposal for fedora 15. Issue on kde side was the absence of such request with kde 4.0 release triggering the unfortunate "DE wars." Having looked at the bg i think it works well with Fedora. The fact spin versions can use them helps. because rquest is only for f15 i favour it thus giving time to explore gnome3. ---------- Sent via Mobile Mail ------Original Message------ From: Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> To: <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Date: Thursday, December 16, 2010 6:54:33 PM GMT-0500 Subject: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 Hi design team - So, obviously there has been a lot of discussion over the last few days about the desktop background in Fedora 15 and GNOME 3 but since there seems to be still a bit of confusion about it, I wanted to step back and try to write things down a little more formally and hopefully explain better why we'd like to do something a little different for GNOME in Fedora 15. ("We" here is basically the set of people who work to package up GNOME for Fedora - almost all of us combine upstream maintainership of modules within GNOME with work on making the Fedora desktop. For example, I'm the lead maintainer of GNOME Shell and the Mutter compositor upstream, and also handle gnome-shell, mutter, metacity, and several other packages within Fedora.) GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 is a big deal. For perspective, GNOME 2.0 was released in June of 2002, and it was first shipped in Red Hat Linux 8. We started specific work on the GNOME 3 release in October of 2008, over 2 years ago. So, as you can imagine, there's a lot of effort being put in on the GNOME side to make a big splash about the GNOME 3 release and really do a good job about getting information out to people about what's new and exciting in GNOME 3. Part of publicity about GNOME 3 is establishing an image in people's minds about what GNOME looks like. The GNOME 3 look has many elements ... the widget theme, the black top panel and status icon drop downs, the fonts we use, and so forth. One prominent part of the appearance is the background. (The background has a new functional role in GNOME 3. As well as being behind all the users windows, it also provides the background to the GNOME "Activities Overview". You can see how this works, for example, in the screenshot in http://blogs.gnome.org/fmuellner/2010/11/16/moving-forward/) If someone reads about GNOME 3 and gets excited about it and wants to try it out, then they'll need to try it out within a Linux distribution There's no way to install and try out "GNOME" by itself. Quite a few different distributions will be shipping GNOME 3 this spring, but we expect Fedora to be one of the most popular, if not the most popular of those distributions. (Ubuntu is going their own way with Unity and will not be featuring GNOME 3.) After going and getting GNOME on some distribution, the user blogs about their experiences or writes an article, we'd really like it if the focus was on what's new in GNOME 3 not how it was integrated and modified for one distribution or another distribution. Changing the background seems like a pretty minor modification, and functionally it is a pretty minor modification, but it is also a major visual modification. Suddenly a screenshot is no longer a screenshot of GNOME 3, it's a screenshot of GNOME 3 as modified for a particular distribution. We want Fedora to be the showcase for GNOME 3 and to be a good example to other distributions about how to package GNOME 3. So, to go along with the release splash for Fedora 15, we'd like to make special request that for this release we use the GNOME background in the Fedora GNOME packages and hence in the default Fedora desktop. I want to be clear that this is not in any way saying that we don't like the Fedora backgrounds ... the recent Fedora backgrounds are great, and keep on getting cleaner and more professional looking every release. The issue is rather a question of trying to provide a single look for the GNOME 3 release rather than a series of looks, one per distribution. To try and provide a few answers to questions that already have come up: * Is this really just for Fedora 15? Yes. The request is specifically to ship the GNOME background as the default for Fedora 15. * Would the Fedora background be available for GNOME users? Yes. The desktop background is a place for users to customize their desktop and express their personality ... there is no idea that we'd restrict that customization. GNOME will ship a varied collection of different backgrounds. Providing the Fedora design team's background as another option makes a ton of sense to me. * Is the GNOME background really that distinctive? A background that looked like nothing anybody had ever seen before would likely be a pretty strange background. So, yes, it's possible to find previously released backgrounds that are very similar. But that doesn't mean that the overall combination of visual features involved in GNOME 3 isn't distinctive and memorable. * What about the rest of the artwork? I think trying to adapt the entire set of artwork in Fedora to have different looks for different spins is probably more confusing then anything else. The GNOME default background matches pretty well with the Fedora look, so it's not going to be jarring to switch to it after seeing the standard Fedora artwork for boot. * What about other desktops in Fedora? We're not trying to say that there is anything fundamentally different about the GNOME desktop in Fedora than any other desktop; While we do think GNOME 3 is a special occasion for GNOME, every desktop should be able to work with the Fedora design team to figure out what makes the most sense for a release. And while I think it would be a bit strange and confusing for other desktops to use a GNOME background as their default, there's no barrier for other spins to include the gnome-themes-standard package and depend on the /usr/share/themes/Adwaita/backgrounds/stripes.jpg if they want. I know the desktop is a big part of the expression of Fedora's design personality and its a lot to ask of the design team to have something else as the default background for the default desktop for this release, but I think it is a distinct positive for the release of GNOME 3. And working together with upstream well is something that's fundamental to Fedora. So hopefully a lot to ask is not too much to ask :-) Please let me know what additional questions and concerns you have and if we can move forward on this. Thanks! - Owen _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team

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Re: [Design-team] design-team Digest, Vol 20, Issue 12
by 吴子逸 17 Dec '10

17 Dec '10

Hi everyone, I'm Wu Ziyi,and I come from China.Being learn the industrial design,I find I'm not have really interest in it. I have a recent experience of Fedora Linux,and Gnome is my current desktop environment.In the process of learning ，I find，in China， that Gnome isn't that artistic compared with KDE，even KDE is as efficient as Gnome at the same time。And it Many Chinese linux-learners as me are puzzled how to adapt with Gnome。So What I want to say is that a our team may should have a more active affect in making Gnome a more applicable environment for everyone 。 Looking forward to having a more wonderful Gnome! Thanks,and God bless my broken English! Ziyi ------------------ Original ------------------ From: "design-team-request"; Date: 2010年12月18日(星期六) 上午6:43 To: "design-team"; Subject: design-team Digest, Vol 20, Issue 12 Send design-team mailing list submissions to design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to design-team-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org You can reach the person managing the list at design-team-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of design-team digest..." Today's Topics: ?? 1. Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (M?ir?n Duffy) ?? 2. Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (Jaroslav Reznik) ?? 3. Hello, my name is ...? Kirk Bridger (Kirk Bridger) ?? 4. Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (Martin Sourada) ?? 5. Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (Fabian A. Scherschel) ?? 6. Re: GNOME background in Fedora 15 (Fabian A. Scherschel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 11:12:11 -0500 From: M?ir?n Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1292602331.25125.52.camel@Brigid> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:01 -0500, Owen Taylor wrote: > If the team doing the default Fedora desktop switched and did a GNOME > remix instead this cycle, who would do the default Fedora desktop? > (I'm sure you'd be happy to switch the default to KDE for this cycle, > but... ;-) > > And how would we distinguish between the two different downloads when > presenting options to the user? We'd basically be offering the user the > choice between two different almost identical things because we couldn't > come to a decision. Yeh unfortunately I kind of think such a spin would be hard to not dub the "political mess spin" and would likely be an embarrassment for us as a project :-/ I say this having worked with some of you on our new website download pages. It would *not* be an easy job to come up with the wording there. > My suggestion to you guys if we go this route is really to keep the > change as minimal as possible and proceed as normal with the other > desktop backgrounds and the rest of the art. > > Obviously if the art team feels its a waste of time to do a set of art > when the background image in that art set is only an optional choice > within GNOME then something else will have to be figured out, but it > seems that there still is a lot of exposure to the art set elsewhere and > on other desktops. It is also worth pointing out that our design will be visible in the default download behind GDM so it will get exposure in the default download besides syslinux / grub / anaconda / firstboot... Syslinux in F15 btw is going to look a LOT nicer :) I've been poking at it a bit http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/11/18/fedora-installation-user-experience-… ~m ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:26:09 +0100 From: Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <201012171726.09387.jreznik(a)redhat.com> Content-Type: Text/Plain;? charset="utf-8" On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:03:39 pm M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > Hi Nicu, > > It is true that KDE 4.5 shipped with a wallpaper that is strikingly > similar to the GNOME 3 wallpaper, but I've talked to a few KDE users and > it seems that it was not ever set as the default wallpaper for a KDE > release so it doesn't have the same brand attachment to KDE that the > GNOME 3 team is looking to achieve. Indeed, it's not default Plasma Desktop wallpaper - but of course - we can ship it if needed. R. > ~m > > > _______________________________________________ > design-team mailing list > design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team -- Jaroslav ?ezn?k <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 602 797 774 Red Hat, Inc.?????????????????????????????? http://cz.redhat.com/ ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 08:43:23 -0800 From: Kirk Bridger <kbridger(a)shaw.ca> Subject: [Design-team] Hello, my name is ...? Kirk Bridger To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <4D0B932B.7000106(a)shaw.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi everyone, My name is Kirk, I'm looking to get more involved with the design team. My background is as a user experience professional and business analyst.? I'm currently the UX Advocate for Liferea, and am looking to contribute further to Fedora specifically.? I've migrated from Ubuntu as their design direction doesn't really match my computer use practices. Which brings us to the current discussion about Gnome3 and the background.? I don't really have any history with this team so I'll continue to lurk on the discussion. Looking forward to lending a hand in some manner! Kirk ------------------------------------------------------------------------ No amount of genius can overcome a preoccupation with detail. /*Marion J. Levy*/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101217/e… ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 22:28:30 +0100 From: Martin Sourada <martin.sourada(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <1292621311.2356.59.camel(a)localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi M?ir?n, On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:03 -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote: > So there's a few things to consider here.... for example, the GNOME > marketing team is actually engaged in an effort to create a series of > videos showing off different aspects of GNOME 3 for the launch (some > details here: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeMarketing/Gnome3In30Seconds ... > I saw one of the videos at the Boston Summit but I'm not sure where they > are online, I'll look for a copy though - they are impressive!) If they > use the default GNOME wallpaper, but we use a different wallpaper, > there's a missed opportunity for shared materials there. E.g., we could > use the videos (which are openly licensed of course!) as part of our > website without having to modify them or re-shoot them. > > It is true that KDE 4.5 shipped with a wallpaper that is strikingly > similar to the GNOME 3 wallpaper, but I've talked to a few KDE users and > it seems that it was not ever set as the default wallpaper for a KDE > release so it doesn't have the same brand attachment to KDE that the > GNOME 3 team is looking to achieve. > > Another thing to think about is the larger struggle between upstreams' > branding and downstream branding. GNOME 3 isn't trying to produce a > desktop that shoves the GNOME foot in your face constantly and competes > with the Fedora brand. The GNOME logo really doesn't appear anywhere. I > think they are going for a more neutral look that won't override the > distro branding leading up to the desktop, and won't confuse users over > what they are using. IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you boot a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3 desktop. Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it? Moreover, KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat GNOME differently? Is it some new trend? OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell (quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity? It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3 from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes our distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual identity is the first thing you see). So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team, should be leaders in our area as well ;-) Martin PS: If majority would support us shipping default GNOME 3 wallpaper as our default in GNOME 3 "spin", instead of having it in prominent place in bg-chooser applet, I'd yield. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101217/1… ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:30:30 +0100 From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab(a)sixgun.org> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTinDKAeWi5ZNPYJ8yr5pc09XaVz2Y3xxiPs4xTku(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> wrote: > > Our general approach with the GNOME components in Fedora is to work > upstream whenever possible. It's very seldom that there's a change that > makes sense in Fedora that doesn't make sense upstream. So we try to > just do the change upstream. > > I think we'd see the art the same way; if the icons can be improved, if > we can do a more attractive widget theme, then we should do that for > GNOME. > I appreciate what you are trying to do here, but to be honest, if I had wanted to work on the Gnome 3 look and feel I had joined the Gnome Design Team. As it stands, I have chosen to work on Fedora's design and you can't deny that you are trying to substantially neuter the impact of our team and of Fedora branding as a whole here... > > So, I guess we haven't necessarily seen the need for a big process to > design artwork for GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 that is separate from the normal > flow to design artwork for GNOME 3. The GNOME artists are very friendly > and open to people getting involved. You can find them on #gnome-art and > #gnome-design on GimpNet. > > Obviously, there's work to be done to coordinate the user experience for > GNOME 3 and Fedora and make it fit together - at every level from how > the websites interact on down. There's still a few months to make that > happen. So I guess what you're saying is that wallpapers should be upstream from now on and we should divert our attention elsewhere? Fab -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/attachments/20101217/1… ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2010 23:42:58 +0100 From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab(a)sixgun.org> Subject: Re: [Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15 To: Fedora Design Team <design-team(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> Message-ID: <AANLkTinhak2e_vqWAaoFQoKH0+ywSaygiLRZ6_8bSoC-(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" On Fri, Dec 17, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Paul W. Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>wrote: > > I just read the post here by Owen and it specifically says "request." > Anything else is reportage or inference. > Is it? I wasn't attending the meeting but it really looks like it is being pushed through to me. I mean, honestly, who on the Design Team would be in favour of this and why? I strongly urge those who are to speak out. I am not saying this is a conspiracy, all I am saying is that it's against how I understood we've done things in the past and it takes away a big hallmark of the Design Team work for a reason that surely don't benefits the team members as design contributers. > It's precisely because Owen understands the visibility of the > wallpaper that he went to great length to explain the nature of his > request.? So it's unfair to say anyone's not sensitive to that, > because that seems to me to be the entire reason the request was made. > I'd hope we're not becoming a team or project that has no ability to > constructively address requests or find ways to promote great free > software. > Maybe we as the Design Team should vote publicly on the request then. > Check out Owen's request again to see if it helps clarify this.? He > indicated this is a one-time branding opportunity to help GNOME 3 with > marketing their release, and specifically set out reasons for the > request. > How exactly is it that they need marketing? They will be the default in Fedora and the official future of the Gnome project. I can see how Unity needs branding and a marketing boost, but that's because they aren't the official upstream shell. Did people need to explicitely advertise Nautilus when Gnome 2 came out? > > I'm not trying to appease anyone, I'm simply saying why I personally > feel this could be a worthwhile one-time concession.? Agree or > disagree, but it's not necessary to attach conspiracy theories.? I > found out at the same time you did (well, later really, since I came > into the discussion late, not being at the meeting, for which I > apologize!). > Sorry, I really didn't want to make it sound like a conspiracy. It's just that they way Mo talked about this special request looked a bit odd in the IRC logs. Once again, I am sorry I couldn't be there and ask the questions in person at the time. > > And personally I think creating wallpaper is not the biggest > responsibility for the Design team.? It may be one of the most widely > visible ones, but it's not the most important IMHO.? I think the most > important responsibility of the team is handling the many requests for > design from the community that come up regularly, both connected to > releases and for completely ad-hoc tasks.? Those requests help Fedora > contributors have amazing presence at shows, create cool displays, > attract people to the project, and so forth.? Wallpaper is part of > that responsibility, traditionally, but I don't think it's the > overwhelming majority. OK, we definitely have a different view of the team then. Maybe it is because I haven't been on board that long. All I know is that people outside Fedora think that's what we are doing... May be a communication / PR issue then. 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14 December 2010 meeting minutes
by Máirín Duffy 16 Dec '10

16 Dec '10

Hey everybody! Thanks for another meeting! Here's the minutes: Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.201… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.201… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-design/2010-12-14/fedora-design.201… I also posted them to our wiki page here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Latest_Meeting_Minutes Mo Summary: Topic: Fedora 15 supplemental wallpapers ======================================== We're in good shape here. No new submissions since last week, but Mizmo sent out a dent and a tweet to solict more interest and it was redented and retweeted several times. Topic: Fedora RPG ================= Mizmo is going to be putting together some more RPG mockups for FUDcon Tempe in late January, so she'll be working on those after the holiday break. If anyone wants to join her she'll send out an email to the list when she starts and hang out in our IRC channel. Topic: FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update ================================================ Emichan worked on a second concept involving a block-print style desert landscape, but she decided it wasn't as strong as the original concept so she's decided to stick with that one. Robyn has contacted a company called BrandX in Tempe (http://brandxstore.com) to have the shirts made locally. Their turnaround is 8 biz days from initial order to shipping. They need a mockup to provide Robyn with a $$ quote. ACTION: Emichan to send comp to Robyn for BrandX tshirt quote Topic: Fedora 15 default wallpaper ================================== So this was a tough topic and we discussed it for at an hour. The summary is that GNOME 3 is likely our most prominent Fedora 15 feature and the GNOME 3 team requested of our team that the wallpaper for the GNOME desktop in Fedora 15 should be the upstream GNOME wallpaper for F15 only, as sort of a special-edition / celebrating the first distro release of GNOME 3. The complication here is that they requested the GNOME wallpaper shouldn't be used by default by other spins because they would like a unique, recognizable brand for GNOME. The GNOME spin is the default download on our website, so this would result in us not having full Fedora branding in our default download nor across our offerings. The GNOME team has a challenge in that they would like to set a recognizable GNOME visual style across distros, but it's hard to do that when distros have distro-specific default wallpapers and brands of their own to promote. The wallpaper in question is viewable here: http://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-themes-standard/plain/themes/Adwaita/back… And its Gimp source is available here: http://gitorious.org/gnome-design/gnome-design/blobs/master/wallpaper/strip… It was designed by Jakub Steiner and Hylke Bons who are two well-respected, FLOSS-software-using GNOME designers. Nicu has already made a blog post on the topic you may wish to look at here: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2010/12/second-class-citizens.html I want to note that the GNOME team approached us reasonably early now in the Fedora 15 cycle, and made this request of us recognizing that the Board has granted this design team the decision of the default wallpaper for Fedora. While understandably some of you may interpret this as a negative against against our team, I want to make it clear there is no ill-will in this request and rather the GNOME 3 team is dealing with a very challenging branding situation and is hoping for our support. That being said, it does seem from the meeting that many of you are against this request. I've brought the matter to Jared's attention and is currently analyzing the situation, weighing all of our options, and that looking for some sort of win-win compromise for both our teams. In either case, we will need a Fedora wallpaper design for Fedora 15, so we should continue our efforts there. Topic: Fedora 15 sketching session ================================== Here's some of the ideas/notes we came up with during the session: a. http://sumerky.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-71032811 <= i like the bg texture (mizmo, 20:35:36) b. http://drayok.deviantart.com/art/OneWing-Steampunk-Key-140735134 very lovelock and steampunk (but too noun-y for a wallpaper of course) (mizmo, 20:35:57) c. http://dolphy.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-Kitty-188687419 i think the BG is cool (mizmo, 20:36:30) d. going the more abstract way, having some geometric pipes james white style with some water waves splashing at it (mizmo, 20:48:34) e. steampunk pipes on one side with water flowing out in a water stripe pattern? (mizmo, 20:48:40) f. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Modified-stripes.jpg#filelinks g. I have this weird association of "love" and roller skating -LOL h. http://rocknro8907.deviantart.com/art/Steampunk-Wings-114717840 i thought maybe the wings could kind of evolve into an abstract stripe kind of thing i. I was thinking of a textured overlay .... it doesn't have to be wood. A good example is the steampunk backround you mentioned but with the stripe statement. That is the concept ... not the wood j. another idea, although not directly stripe-related is the whole gaia-thing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaia_hypothesis reminds me of Final Fantasy 7's lifestream visually: http://thelifestream.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/lifestream.png k. http://www.webdesignerdepot.com/2010/06/spectacular-fountains-from-around-t… water fountain patterns relates to Lovelock for both the Gaia / lifestream link, and also to the Nevada gamblin' town link...more fountains: * http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/184111/184111,123389558… * http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3195/2782786333_45c8f15d89_b.jpg * http://image.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/62870/62870,1148625054,… * http://www.denverelectricfountain.org/fountain_photographs.php?c=night * http://www.denverelectricfountain.org/fountain_photo.php?p=31 !!! Here's the sketch I came up with: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release% 20Themes/F15/Concept%20Sketches/mo-sketch-1.png I'd like to recommend everyone as you come up with sketches, to upload them to this directory: http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora%20Release% 20Themes/F15/Concept%20Sketches/ You can connect to it using sftp or ssh. SSH to fedorapeople.org, then cd to /srv/groups/designteam/Resources/Fedora Release Themes/F15/Concept Sketches. Thanks, ~m

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Re: [Design-team] GNOME as the default desktop (was Re: Fedora Board Meeting Minutes - 2010-12-06)
by Máirín Duffy 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

Hi Jóhann, On Wed, 2010-12-15 at 18:55 +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote: > "19:20:09 <mizmo> nicubunu, i dont think so, the thing that is different > now than what has happened before is that as part of my full-time job at > red hat, i keep this team running > 19:20:28 <mizmo> nicubunu, having the design team for Fedora is really > important enough that i'm paid to make sure it's going" > > "I keep this team running" there's no I in team... Have you contacted any member of the Fedora design team to ask them if they read my statement in the logs as you are interpreting it here or if any of them have taken any other issue with it? Let's not assume there are problems where there are none, and be productive about this, okay? :) Remember we're to be excellent to each other - I think we all appreciate issues being raised where they exist but the Fedora design team is a very friendly, welcoming, fun, and respectful group of friends and we don't really fit the picture you are painting here. I do not think they would agree with your take on this. So maybe let's get back to the issue at hand? And open a new thread on this if it is truly an issue worth raising? (Although honestly it's likely better resolved within the design team itself.) ~m

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FUDcon Tempe shirt
by Emily Dirsh 15 Dec '10

15 Dec '10

I've got an initial design for the back of the shirt posted here: http://emichan.fedorapeople.org/FudconTempe/hohokam.png (source file is in the same location). It's inspired by the art of the Hohokam who once lived in the area. I've got one more concept I'd like to explore, but I haven't got it finished/postable yet. Anyway, feedback (as always) is welcome. Emily

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New Design Team howto: How to Run a Fedora Design Team Meeting
by Máirín Duffy 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

I just wrote this up. I thought it might be useful in case a raptor or a wookiee decides I'd make a good lunch: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_run_a_Fedora_design_team_meeting Actually, I'm not going to be around next week and the week after most likely due to the holidays, so I thought it might be handy to have this stuff documented in case folks wanted to meet without me since I normally do this stuffs. :) Enjoy, ~m

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Sketching sessions F15 wallpaper
by Jef van Schendel 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Hi all, So the last few meetings we talked about doing a sketching session, and now I'm finally sending an email. :) My thought was to pick a date and time somewhere next week, where the ones interested in designing the upcoming Fedora 15 wallpaper can get together and start brainstorming, sketching and providing feedback to each other. I set up a WhenIsGood calendar, so everyone who wants to join can pick the dates and times they're available: http://whenisgood.net/9bej59 If someone can't make it this time, that's okay. I'll be sure to post the logs and we can continue discussing afterwards right here on the list. Maybe there will be even more sessions, if this proves to be a good idea. :) Who's up for it? Jef

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Design team meeting today, 1900 UTC
by Máirín Duffy 14 Dec '10

14 Dec '10

Design dudes & design divas, Yes, it's time for another action-packed, creativity-filleds meeting of the minds! Meeting's on today in #fedora-design at 1900 UTC (2 pm Eastern US). Here's a rough agenda; if you have interest in any of the items below please feel free to comment here on list before the meeting or add additional items: - Fedora 15 supplemental wallpaper submissions - how are we doing? http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F15_Artwork_Supplemental_Wallpapers_Submissio… - FUDcon Tempe T-shirt design status update - Fedora RPG - Fedora 15 Default Wallpaper Sketch session!!!! Again, the meeting will be in #fedora-design on irc.freenode.net, 1900 UTC. Open action items: ================== 1. mizmo to talk to gnome shell peeps re: suitable wallpapers / guidelines See ya then, ~m

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