I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue.
It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations.
Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential.
although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and examples.
i suggest we first take a look at the associations with Constantine. these associations will be the bases for out new style. so no examples, just conceptual works. is that a good idea to approach it?
*my associations are: * - roman emperor -- roman architechture -- roman mosaic's
- Constantinople (Istanbul) -- east meets west -- byzantine architecture
*note:* with the name Constantine come association that have to do with religion. I do get the idea that we should avoid the religious themes a bit. But this theme is really heavily based on religion on it's own. We will probably have some angry faces just because of the name. keeping out religion on this one will be really hard!
I think we should set up some boundaries on where we can go and where we can't. for example: Istanbul can be shown by the architecture in the city. This will always include some religious architecture, can we show this? can we give hints about his connection to Christianity? where is the border?
yope out.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, nicu buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.rowrote:
I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue.
It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations.
Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
On 28/06/09 13:37, Joost Elfering wrote:
although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_(disambiguation)
Frank
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 2:43 PM, Frank Murphy frankly3d@gmail.com wrote:
On 28/06/09 13:37, Joost Elfering wrote:
although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and examples.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_(disambiguation)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_%28disambiguation%29
it's not about what's out there. it's about what you think of when you hear the name. association is more important then what is out there, this gives an idea on what people will expect.
yope out.
I believe there is no place for any relegious reference. These matters are complex to play with. I am not an art expert but Byzantine art existed while Western Europe was facing the Dark Ages and there was a huge impact from Christianity. You can't expect any work of art without a religious reference.
So, to keep it simple I sense that we should say: "Hey! Byzantine art used the mosaic art! Let's use it too."
For example, I would like something like this[1]. Or as Nicu mentioned the four foundations.
[1] http://www.flickr.com/photos/soninka/40752634/
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 14:54 +0200, Joost Elfering wrote:
it's not about what's out there. it's about what you think of when you hear the name. association is more important then what is out there, this gives an idea on what people will expect.
yope out.
When I hear that name...well, I turn to look if someone is looking for me :P
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Hy,
I also think we should look what people also outside from Fedora would and also should think if they see the theme ( goal of theme). My first look was into wikipedia (as maybe many Users out there who did not know history well). And maybe some of them get also confused by the very much meanings around there. But thats just some ideas we can think deeper. I also had the Logo of my old University (see http://www.tu-darmstadt.de/ ) in mind as I saw http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I . and I did not know if this is good, but I think many students would look into a Distribution wich looks pretty much like the logo of their university...
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ). Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new? The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother? Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just brainstorming a bit...
So: what should be our intention and in wich direction should THEN be the theming?
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Joost Elfering schrieb:
although the idea is good and they have some things we could work on I think we need to take a step back before coming up with results and examples.
i suggest we first take a look at the associations with Constantine. these associations will be the bases for out new style. so no examples, just conceptual works. is that a good idea to approach it?
*my associations are: *
- roman emperor
-- roman architechture -- roman mosaic's
- Constantinople (Istanbul)
-- east meets west -- byzantine architecture
*note:* with the name Constantine come association that have to do with religion. I do get the idea that we should avoid the religious themes a bit. But this theme is really heavily based on religion on it's own. We will probably have some angry faces just because of the name. keeping out religion on this one will be really hard!
I think we should set up some boundaries on where we can go and where we can't. for example: Istanbul can be shown by the architecture in the city. This will always include some religious architecture, can we show this? can we give hints about his connection to Christianity? where is the border?
yope out.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 12:24 PM, nicu buculei <nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro mailto:nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro> wrote:
I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine. When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references. Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue. It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations. Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/ I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
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On http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I there is a picture of the «Bronze statue of Constantine I in York, England, near the spot where he was proclaimed Augustus in 306». The statue is gorgeous. I think everyone should have a look, it is very encouraging.
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ).
About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release.
The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother?
The fact is Constantine was an emperor and for this link it was voted by people).
Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just brainstorming a bit...
Yeah, now is the time for it, let the ideas flow (as long as they are not related to the movie starring Keanu Reeves, but even that movie can have a positive use by setting a link: Constantine was a movie, so we can try to call Fedora 13 "friday", as in Friday 13" :p )
For example I expect Mo, after arriving home from a *long* plane trip to propose a steampunk approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium#Fourth_stanza
On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ).
About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release.
Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
On 06/28/2009 06:14 PM, Charlie Brej wrote:
Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
That's wonderful Charlie, you rock! (but this is not a surprise, we already knew how hard you rock)
Maybe mosaic is not very good ... I thinking 3D stuff like a papirus ... What do you think about this ?
On 28/06/09 18:47, Cata wrote:
Maybe mosaic is not very good ... I thinking 3D stuff like a papirus ... What do you think about this ?
Papyrus is more reminiscent of Egypt
I think mosaic, can do it. I would say do a google on Constantinople (Pompeii\Herculaneum) Mosaic,
Maybe a Generals Head with Garland as Mosaic.
Frank
I see this on wiki : "*Constantine* (pronounced /ˈkɒnstəntaɪn/http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_Englishor /ˈkɒnstəntiːn/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:IPA_for_English; Latin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language: *Cōnstantīnus*, Greekhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language: *Κωνσταντῖνος*, *Kōnstantînos*) is a masculine given namehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Given_nameand surname http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surname which is derived from the Latin name *Constantinus*[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine#cite_note-0, a hypocoristic http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocoristic of the first names Constans http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constans and Constantiushttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantius, both meaning "constant, steadfast" in Latinhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin .[2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine#cite_note-1 The names are the Latin equivalents of the Greek name *Eustáthios*, meaning the same. The name "Constantine" is still very common in Greecehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greeceand Cyprus http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyprus, the forms Κώστας (Costashttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costas) and Ντίνος (Dinos) being popular hypocoristicshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocoristic. Costel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costel is a common Romanianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanian_languageform. The Russian http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_language and Serbianhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serbian_languageform is Konstantin, and their short forms Kostija and Kosta, respectively."
I think is more "both meaning "constant, steadfast" . The correct question is : "What is specific difference between old and new fedora?" 1. http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/ho/05/eust/ho_26.229.htm " This Tetrarchy was founded on the idea of homogeneous authority; all four emperors were depicted together in portraits emphasizing their unity and indivisibility in order to bolster their strength and present the image of a unified empire." 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iconoclasm
I think the new fedora make simple distro with colors papyrus and fedora TM: About papyrus style : "Papyrus is more reminiscent of Egypt" Papyrus with some latin words , see : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Latin_phrases papyrus is use to write knowledge ... like this "A well-preserved papyrus scroll, written in Latin" :
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WB_ylZsXyk4/SRg6uLqImYI/AAAAAAAAIbc/TWTsDMx5B_s/s1... If you see colors and texture is pretty nice : http://egyptian-paper.com/images/papyrusimages/PapyrusPaper.jpg
About mosaic : What do you think about this , but replace the "Bacchus" with fedoara symbol ? http://www.magdalenetours.com/images/fotos/64_Roman_Bacchus_mosaic,_Lyon.jpg
Thank you !
One should remember that one characteristic of Byzantine art (the oriental roman empire) was its lavish use of gold . I'd be very disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained and sober.
". I'd be very disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained and sober." I don't say that ? if you want an idea of parallel : I think like "new car design" create from old one . See this concept : http://blog.uncovering.org/archives/uploads/2008/08053001_blog.uncovering.or... Maybe is to much :) 2009/6/28 Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net
One should remember that one characteristic of Byzantine art (the oriental roman empire) was its lavish use of gold . I'd be very disappointed if the Fedora artwork for Constantine came out retrained and sober.
-- Nicolas Mailhot
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the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use from the associations.
i think we now have: - mosaic - the line art from wonderer ( http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png, http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)
SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?
I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building together. some inspirational images: http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozill...
yope out.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej fedora-art@brej.org wrote:
On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ).
About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release.
Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
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Hy there,
the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?! The "east meets west" slogan i also find attractive. Something like a fist holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart OR a line art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones...
I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for the wish-list as screensaver ;-)
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Joost Elfering schrieb:
the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use from the associations.
i think we now have:
- mosaic
- the line art from wonderer
(http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png, http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)
SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?
I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building together. some inspirational images: http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozill... http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aru%3Aofficial&um=1&newwindow=1&sa=1&q=istanbul+bazaar&btnG=Search+images&aq=f&oq=
yope out.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej <fedora-art@brej.org mailto:fedora-art@brej.org> wrote:
On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote: On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote: Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ). About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options). Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new? We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release. Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
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I like the East meets West, that gives us tons of room to work lots of things in. The coinage from the age has some very big themes- props to the military (not too useful) and something called a 'camp gatehttp://fc.kcsd.org/%7Evciviletti/cpwpages2/CampGate.html'. Gates are nice for East meets west. Winged Victory in a chariot is also featured, and it's is nice, but looks like an Christian angel.
Angie
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:28 PM, wonderer wonderer4711@gmx.de wrote:
Hy there,
the mosaic idea combined with something else (no, not the F-Logo, to simple...) out of the Constantine-theme maybe?! The "east meets west" slogan i also find attractive. Something like a fist holding a sword made out of mosaic stones or in steampunk lineart OR a line art made of the Constantine head and also out of mosaic stones...
I'm also thinking about a rotating Constantine head, but thats more for the wish-list as screensaver ;-)
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Joost Elfering schrieb:
the ideas of mosaic are good. but to get all the ideas out in the open we need to keep an open mind. try to come with more ideas about what we can use from the associations.
i think we now have:
- mosaic
- the line art from wonderer (
http://www.uweschmidt.org/files/images/athene.png, http://maartenvoetbal.punt.nl/upload/Ajax_logo.jpg)
SO: what can we do with the concept "east meets west"?
I think this is an interesting concept as this was one of the things from Constantine I. This can be seen as a connecting two worlds, building together. some inspirational images: http://images.google.ru/images?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozill...
yope out.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Charlie Brej fedora-art@brej.org wrote:
On 28/06/09 16:56, nicu buculei wrote:
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ).
About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe
another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release.
Had a bit of a go to see how easy it is to make mosaics and its not that hard. We could make a large mosaic of the many fedora values. I made a little freedom birdie (attached). Like most mosaics, it looks ok but only form a distance so it would have to be a part of a large design.
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nicu buculei schrieb:
On 06/28/2009 03:20 PM, wonderer wrote:
Then I think nicu's mosaic idea sounds good and I suggest that we could port this "old" mosaic style and "improve" it to a modern style. Maybe some blue-metalic-rendering thingy (I just let this idea flow around your heads ;-) ).
About the implementation, keep in mind that we decided to go with something vector and simple as a *default* (along with a few more, non release linked, additional options).
Also I had the the "Lion" we had in Fedora11 in my head and now maybe another animal ... do we want the same theming or something new?
We can't go with another animal (no, not even a panda :D), that would be to close for the previous release.
Not even a hippo? http://www.flickr.com/photos/mairin/3664418617/ :-D
Ok, so Constantine, sword, emperor...
The Lion has a bit of an aggressive meaning, Constantine is en emperor (also a bit aggressive) do we want the same way or make something smoother?
The fact is Constantine was an emperor and for this link it was voted by people).
Ok. I like the bit funny idea of this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7d/Yorkconstantine.jpg and the "f" under his right hand flowing around... Maybe a bit more steampunk style or a sword out of mosaic peaces...
Questions over questions, but maybe some flowing ideas came out... just brainstorming a bit...
Yeah, now is the time for it, let the ideas flow (as long as they are not related to the movie starring Keanu Reeves, but even that movie can have a positive use by setting a link: Constantine was a movie, so we can try to call Fedora 13 "friday", as in Friday 13" :p )
Thats exactly the point. Thanks for that. We had here many thoughts I think, i also thought of the movie ;-)
For example I expect Mo, after arriving home from a *long* plane trip to propose a steampunk approach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium#Fourth_stanza
Hmm, sounds good, but isn't it to far away from Constantine as name itself?
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On Sunday 28 June 2009 14:37:05 Joost Elfering wrote:
i suggest we first take a look at the associations with Constantine. these associations will be the bases for out new style. so no examples, just conceptual works. is that a good idea to approach it?
*my associations are: *
- roman emperor
-- roman architechture -- roman mosaic's
My association for Constantine is movie. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0360486/ And most of my impression from this movie comes from strong visual feelings while watching it. But it's not a good starting point for inspiration as it's full of religious links ;-)
Jaroslav
Constantine = put all together to more feedback , like NICEA :))
On 06/28/2009 05:24 AM, nicu buculei wrote:
I am sure you are all already aware, the announcement is official since yesterday when Paul delivered in in front of the FUDCon audience, the release name for Fedora 12 was voted Constantine.
When I think about it, I had in my mind Byzantine culture (Roman emperor Constantine the Great) and I think a graphic in the style of a Byzantine mosaic can be an effective approach. The major trick is to leave out any religious implications and stay only with cultural references.
Think of something like http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2139332420/ but with some modernist imagery and some blue.
It also can work like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/2140942774/ with the symbols for our 4 foundations.
Get a better idea from those photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gauiscaecilius/tags/mosaic/
I talked about this yesterday evening (night) with Mo and Paul and today with Samuele (FUDCon is awesome for such things) and it seems the idea hs some potential. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 12:46 AM, Michael Beckwith < michael.d.beckwith@gmail.com> wrote:
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
that's what i'm trying to achieve, think outside of the man and think of associations you get with the word. that brings new ideas and inspiration to the table.
yope out!
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On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote:
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
I found some inspiration in W.B. Yeats' 'Sailing to Byzantium' [1]. There are some interesting themes in there (and even a link to steam... er.. byzantine-punk). I'll just throw these out there; they may all suck but crappy ideas can inspire awesome ideas so if they inspire something in you let's talk about it:
- Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art & culture flourished over 1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing this: have a simple & transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow in complexity & depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity.
- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect - building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.
- Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable and is the way forward to order and progress.
- Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed firmware and patented codecs? hehe
- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected.
~m
Was wondering if anybody had thoughts about this - I put a bit of work into it and haven't gotten any feedback yet! :)
If it sucks let me know.
~m
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 20:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote:
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
I found some inspiration in W.B. Yeats' 'Sailing to Byzantium' [1]. There are some interesting themes in there (and even a link to steam... er.. byzantine-punk). I'll just throw these out there; they may all suck but crappy ideas can inspire awesome ideas so if they inspire something in you let's talk about it:
- Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art & culture flourished over
1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing this: have a simple & transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow in complexity & depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity.
- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect -
building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.
- Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the
chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable and is the way forward to order and progress.
- Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick
with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed firmware and patented codecs? hehe
- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily
be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected.
~m
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium
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I read through it but haven't given too much thought to them, I'll give it all some time a bit later and see if anything strikes me. Research may be needed on my part to facilitate ideas
On 07/06/2009 10:11 AM, � Duffy wrote:
Was wondering if anybody had thoughts about this - I put a bit of work into it and haven't gotten any feedback yet! :)
If it sucks let me know.
~m
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 20:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote:
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
I found some inspiration in W.B. Yeats' 'Sailing to Byzantium' [1]. There are some interesting themes in there (and even a link to steam... er.. byzantine-punk). I'll just throw these out there; they may all suck but crappy ideas can inspire awesome ideas so if they inspire something in you let's talk about it:
- Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art& culture flourished over
1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing this: have a simple& transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow in complexity& depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity.
- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect -
building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.
- Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the
chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable and is the way forward to order and progress.
- Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick
with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed firmware and patented codecs? hehe
- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily
be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected.
~m
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sailing_to_Byzantium
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On 07/06/2009 06:11 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Was wondering if anybody had thoughts about this - I put a bit of work into it and haven't gotten any feedback yet! :)
Ops! It was a long message with a lot of intense content, so I scheduled it "later" and then forgot about it...
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 20:09 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
- Mortality vs Immortality - Byzantine art& culture flourished over
1000 years (330-1453) and is still known of today - We can relate this to Fedora - Fedora does not try to only look 'cool' on the surface and not have much substance underneath; Fedora is very concerned about quality and doing the right thing. Fedora hopefully is at the forefront of promoting a culture/philosophy and producing a quality system that will bring order and the right way forward. A few ideas on representing this: have a simple& transparent (or not quite drawn-in) subject grow in complexity& depth and become more opaque maybe. Or go from weak to saturated colors and/or values. The message would be along the lines of Fedora's hopeful grasp towards greatness/eternity.
Something like tatica's blue mosaic, well defined in the center and fading towards the edges. Or the coin idea some were talking about, also can be fading in/out. We need the strong subject/metaphor for greatness/eternity.
- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect -
building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.
Paul's idea about vines resonate with me, when I was playing with the steampunk concept for F10 I was thinking "the next one may be something more connected to the nature with vines and stuff". We are going far from the "simple, vector" target but I can't stop thinking about a being half mechanical (steampunk?) half organic (vines?)
- Order from Chaos - Constantine was known for bringing order to the
chaos of the Roman empire at the time he began rule and Constantinople seems to have served as a central hub / symbol of that order. Perhaps Fedora is the Constantinople to the chaos of crappy, proprietary software. The message would be that open source software is inevitable and is the way forward to order and progress.
There is great potential in this and I think we may find a way to approach it with something simple. Order is simplicity. Firther reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entropy_%28order_and_disorder%29
On a second thought, reading the link above, isn't the "Cathedral and the Bazaar" exactly the opposite, with the proprietary development model an ordered cathedral and FOSS a chaotic bazaar? Maybe we talk about a new king of "order", not one imposed from the above, but one growing naturally from the foundations?
- Liberation through enlightenment - '... Consume my heart away; sick
with desire... gather me Into the artifice of eternity.' Liberation of the soul from worldly desires... liberation of the software and more generally culture from worldly desires...? worldly desires = closed firmware and patented codecs? hehe
And the sinners can see the light and redeem themselves... we are *almost* religious here :p Or, by contrary, we are anti-religious: enlightenment breaking the dogma and bringing personal and collective freedom.
I think we may try to illustrate this in a simple way with an eruption/explosion of light.
- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily
be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected.
This one is also good, a distro is *a lot* about integration and more than the sum of its parts. And we have a lot of stories to tell about the combination of our four fonndations.
Sorry I didn't respond sooner.
On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 08:09:37PM -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
On Sun, 2009-06-28 at 17:46 -0500, Michael Beckwith wrote:
Keep in mind everyone that just because the codename is "Constantine" doesn't mean that we HAVE to include the guy in the theme somehow. We can go off on some inspiration derived from reading about him and whatnot and just make sure the tie in is there.
- The natural/impermanent/imperfect vs. technology/permanent/perfect -
building on the above theme... Yeats makes reference to Byzantine Emperor Theophilos' singing mechanical golden birds (he also had mechanical golden lions as well, hmmm... :) ) I feel like themes that deal with technology vs nature usually pose technology in the 'bad guy' light and nature in the 'good guy' light, so it might be interesting to send a message that poses technology (Fedora) as an ally of nature (the people using Fedora) to make it better (to improve Fedora users' lives). Visually this could maybe take a steampunk bird form hehe.
Or vines, or any of a number of other natural themes, perhaps with the mosaic introduced in a sort of "man-made turns into nature-made" design? I really liked this idea.
- Unity/Coming together to make something great - and could quite easily
be communicated with the golden mosaic designs already being discussed - alone one tile is nothing special, but the tiles together can make a beautiful piece of art. Along similar lines, Constantinople itself was a trading center where many cultures intersected.
I like this idea too, and maybe there's a cross over with the whole "vines" thing. I don't know why vines occurred to me, for that matter. But the idea of them crossing and interleaving, like strands or weavings, somehow has become commingled in my brain with the idea of the mosaic.
Lets not forget about bay leaves crow seem on most Roman emperors. Those bay leaves could be subtle in background. As for mosaic, I think the concept should not be too complex unless someone know to effectively render them as wallpaper.
I don't have words..... only graphic ideas on my head :S .
I'll work on some stuff, now that I'm back in Venezuela ... btw, awesome brainstorm.
2009/6/30 Luya Tshimbalanga luya_tfz@thefinalzone.net:
Lets not forget about bay leaves crow seem on most Roman emperors. Those bay leaves could be subtle in background. As for mosaic, I think the concept should not be too complex unless someone know to effectively render them as wallpaper. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
I am pleased to submit to you the label for Constantine, which is based on the artistic culture of the fourth century, but I do not use white spirit colors, but colors fedora, and the emperor's laurel. I has attached the possible designs for discussion.
Tengo el placer de presentar a su consideración una etiqueta para Constantin, la cual esta basada en la cultura artistica del siglo IV, excepto que no uso el aguarras como color, sino los colores fedora, así como el laurel del emperador. Adjunto los posibles diseños para que los discutan.
I'm gonna work on the wallpaper....
2009/7/1, bm90fox bm90fox@gmail.com:
I am pleased to submit to you the label for Constantine, which is based on the artistic culture of the fourth century, but I do not use white spirit colors, but colors fedora, and the emperor's laurel. I has attached the possible designs for discussion.
Tengo el placer de presentar a su consideración una etiqueta para Constantin, la cual esta basada en la cultura artistica del siglo IV, excepto que no uso el aguarras como color, sino los colores fedora, así como el laurel del emperador. Adjunto los posibles diseños para que los discutan. -- Manuel E. Hidalgo Bello Fedora 10 (Cambridge) + Gnome 2.24.1 Fedora Ambassador Project Fedora Translation CVS Commit Group
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 11:26 -0500, bm90fox wrote:
I am pleased to submit to you the label for Constantine, which is based on the artistic culture of the fourth century, but I do not use white spirit colors, but colors fedora, and the emperor's laurel. I has attached the possible designs for discussion.
Can you please re-send you file in a better format? tar.gz or tar.bz2 is more easily opened in Fedora. (Although if it's just a simple image you don't need to bother to compress it??)
Thanks, ~m
Ok, I'm resending them
Hi Manuel,
On Wed, 2009-07-01 at 18:55 -0500, bm90fox wrote:
Ok, I'm resending them
There are a few issues with the design:
- we have had a general rule for a long time now that we don't put release names in the artwork
- the usage of the Fedora logo mark as a border violates multiple logo usage rules :)
- you can't use a keyline around the Fedora logomark either - logo guidelines rule.
- adding the laurel to the Fedora logomark is also a clear violation of Fedora logo usage guidelines
- it doesn't look like the 'Constantine' typeface is the correct one, but either way it is a good idea to steer clear of having text in artwork like that because of translation issues
~m
OK, thanks 4 ur advices, I'm gonna take on acount... I will try to improve it...
Lets not forget about bay leaves crow seem on most Roman emperors. Those bay leaves could be subtle in background. As for mosaic, I think the concept should not be too complex unless someone know to effectively render them as wallpaper.
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