2009/7/31 Matthias Clasen mclasen@redhat.com:

Hey all,

we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).

We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.

I really like the radical changes, I agree, and if I can help in any subject available to me. The new styles of buttons is amazing! Awesome!

Congrats!

Let me know what you think. I'd like to make this change for the alpha.

Matthias

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On Fri, 2009-07-31 at 15:17 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:

Hey all,

we've been discussing the idea of changing the default GTK+/Metacity theme in F12. Nodoka has been the default for a while, and it seems to undergo a major rework now ( http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ ).

We don't want to do a radical visual change, though. The idea is to go back to the upstream default, Clearlooks.

Let me know what you think. I'd like to make this change for the alpha.

Matthias

Hi,

The rework is going to take a unspecified (and probably rather long) amount of time (I work on it when I have spare time and feel like working on it, and apart from the buttons, I don't even have the design fully prepared) and it will be just another option. It definitely won't be in Fedora 12 and I won't even push it to Fedora (even rawhide, due to the nature of development) until it is both feature complete and well tested. The current style (with possible minor updates) will stay available in a similar way like Clearlooks engine provides e.g. CLASSIC style. Also, some of the goals are to prepare for possible changes in widget theming in Gtk3 and making it easier to create QT4 variant of the theme.

As an author of the engine, I'd be biased in the opinion whether to use Clearlooks or Nodoka in F12, so I can only assure you that Nodoka will stay same in F12 as is in F11 (sans progress-entry support used e.g. in Rawhide's Epiphany and some minor fixes here and there).

If you don't want radical visual changes, stay with Nodoka for F12, and when the rework gets completed we can reevaluate whether we want to stay with "classic" Nodoka, go with the updated Nodoka, or revert to Clearlooks (or whatever will be the upstream default by then).

Martin