Hi,
1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures ability to add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS group has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate effort to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this feature we manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system please let me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this effect.
2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries set up on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons that are default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.
3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to make in ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age information from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if you'd like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you that false info.
~m
On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" catalinfest@gmail.com wrote:
Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting: I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
- Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
Is this a new political into design-team area?
- see my comment on :
https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
- see my comment on:
https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
Thank you. Best regards.
1. "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't anything strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot manage that issue.
Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"
Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base of any changes in Fedora distro.
"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora Remix, and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in combination, are hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these guidelines, you may not use the Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly similar mark as a trademark for your product, or use the Fedora Trademarks in any other manner that might cause confusion in the marketplace, including but not limited to in advertising, on auction sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the Fedora Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use of confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, Red Hat strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines as the rest of the community."
" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know the first old voting system and how has made :)
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi,
- The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures ability to
add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS group has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate effort to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this feature we manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system please let me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this effect.
- I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our
limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries set up on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons that are default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.
- I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to make in
ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age information from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if you'd like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you that false info.
~m
On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" < catalinfest@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting: I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
- Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
Is this a new political into design-team area?
- see my comment on :
https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
- see my comment on:
https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
Thank you. Best regards.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
Hi,
as Mo decided to have this conversation on the mailing list, I moderated it in.
Am 10.12.18 um 19:21 schrieb Cătălin George Feștilă:
- "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't
anything strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot manage that issue.
Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"
Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base of any changes in Fedora distro.
"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora Remix, and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in combination, are hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these guidelines, you may not use the Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly similar mark as a trademark for your product, or use the Fedora Trademarks in any other manner that might cause confusion in the marketplace, including but not limited to in advertising, on auction sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the Fedora Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use of confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, Red Hat strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines as the rest of the community."
" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know the first old voting system and how has made :)
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy <duffy@fedoraproject.org mailto:duffy@fedoraproject.org> wrote:
Hi, 1. The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures ability to add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS group has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate effort to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this feature we manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on the team doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system please let me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this effect. 2. I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries set up on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons that are default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that. 3. I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to make in ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age information from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if you'd like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you that false info. ~m On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" <catalinfest@gmail.com <mailto:catalinfest@gmail.com>> wrote: Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting: I try to supply this with my emails and comments: 1. Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members? Is this a new political into design-team area? 2. see my comment on : https://pagure.io/design/issue/421 3. see my comment on: https://pagure.io/design/issue/620 Thank you. Best regards. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
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1. What are you trying to do with the ticket that you can't do right now? Are you in the design-team FAS group?
2. 3. I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. The Fedora logo is a trademark, yes, and we have trademark language around its usage. What is the point you are trying to make about that relative to ticket 620?
~m
On December 10, 2018 7:21:49 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" catalinfest@gmail.com wrote:
- "doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked" - I don't
anything strange on my account but I'm a simple user and I cannot manage that issue.
Point to 2. and 3. "Can you try rephrasing a different way?"
Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base of any changes in Fedora distro.
"Fedora®, the Fedora word design, the Infinity design logo, Fedora Remix, and the Fedora Remix word design, either separately or in combination, are hereinafter referred to as "Fedora Trademarks" and are trademarks of Red Hat, Inc. Except as provided in these guidelines, you may not use the Fedora Trademarks or any confusingly similar mark as a trademark for your product, or use the Fedora Trademarks in any other manner that might cause confusion in the marketplace, including but not limited to in advertising, on auction sites, or on software or hardware. Red Hat protects the Fedora Trademarks on behalf of the entire Fedora community. Indeed, the law obligates trademark owners to police their marks and prevent the use of confusingly similar names by third parties. As the trademark owner, Red Hat strives to use the Fedora Trademarks under the same guidelines as the rest of the community."
" I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_(operating_system) then you know the first old voting system and how has made :)
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 3:23 AM Máirín Duffy duffy@fedoraproject.org wrote:
Hi,
- The individuals added to the design pagure pre-date pagures
ability to
add FAS groups. Everyone who has membership in the "design-team" FAS
group
has the correct privs for the design team pagure. It is a duplicate
effort
to manage user perms in multiple systems, since pagure got this
feature we
manage perms for pagure in FAS only and do not manage perms on an individual level unless absolutely necessary anymore. If anyone on
the team
doesn't have permissions they need and are blocked in any system
please let
me know, I am happy to help. I haven't seen any complaints to this
effect.
- I don't think creating a separate icon theme is a good use of our
limited time. Several of us have Xaviju's Inkscape symbol libraries
set up
on our inkscapw installs, which includes the gnome symbolic icons
that are
default in Fedora. I think it's better to just use that.
- I'm sorry but I do not understand the points you were trying to
make in
ticket 620. Can you try rephrasing a different way? I can tell you my Fedora account is from 2004 so wherever you pulled account age
information
from, it's not correct and perhaps needs to be fixed. Let me know if
you'd
like me to look into that - I would need to know what system gave you
that
false info.
~m
On December 9, 2018 8:49:02 AM EST, "Cătălin George Feștilă" < catalinfest@gmail.com> wrote:
Sorry I cannot be always on the team meeting: I try to supply this with my emails and comments:
- Why can you add my account to https://pagure.io/design members?
Is this a new political into design-team area?
- see my comment on :
https://pagure.io/design/issue/421
- see my comment on:
https://pagure.io/design/issue/620
Thank you. Best regards.
-- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 08:15:10AM -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
- I'm sorry, but I still don't understand. The Fedora logo is a
trademark, yes, and we have trademark language around its usage. What is the point you are trying to make about that relative to ticket 620?
I'm also really quite confused, but I wonder if the point that is trying to be made is that we can't change the logo because of the legal surrounding it. Which would be a valid point if the person working on changing the logo were not allowed, also from a legal perspective, to do it.
In other words: the logo is protected right, but the design team is definitely the one that is allowed to change it (it is basically the only team that is allowed to do so).
Hoping this helps, Pierre
Hi!
In other words: the logo is protected right, but the design team is definitely
the one that is allowed to change it (it is basically the only team that is allowed to do so).
I'm not on the design team, but I thought it doesn't legally prohibits me from participating in the logo refresh issue on pagure. Unless the openness ethos of Fedora Project is something to go by. Tell me if I'm wrong about this, but that was my interpretation anyway, I will stop participating if it is the case. I think so far only one image posted by me was removed there, ibm styled logo image, the joke which redhatters seemingly didn't appreciate (okay then).
What this got me thinking is that I shared svg on fedorapeople site and it would be unfortunate if logo suggestions appeared in search engines and potentially used by bloggers unknowingly of the https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines
So I added https://fedorapeople.org/~ojn/robots.txt to prohibit the crawling of those images. Maybe this could be good tip if anyone does the same.
cheers //Gleb
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 02:21:49PM +0200, Cătălin George Feștilă wrote:
Yes! I can do that. The rule for the design team is a branch of Legal (see: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines) and is the base of any changes in Fedora distro.
Yes, that is true. Note https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Legal:Trademark_guidelines#Use_by_the_Fedora_..., which says:
Red Hat enlists the assistance of the Fedora Council (hereinafter "Council") to oversee the trademark guidelines to ensure compliance by the community. The Council may grant permission for uses as explained below. The Council serves as the first line of mediation when questions of use arise.
I am on the Fedora Council and the Council is in favor of this work, for the reasons we've enumerated, and I asked Design to look at doing the actual design work, since... that's where the design expertise is.
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