fedora-join August 2016

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Meeting whenisgood
by Ankur Sinha 15 Sep '16

15 Sep '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hiya, Here's the whenisgood link. I've limited the slots to times that I can make it. Please select the slots you are available to meet in. http://whenisgood.net/kg3cf5k - -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXxpTmAAoJEPjYwL66yJi9QNAH/AkQN9eDJi0ttQU9HfI9zSaS yMZYwYz+X9heNPL6zFGxSL150rfPB3yBh4jmmrsAQOrPj0PgGV4Ie0xAiLHQ6f3y jUTxdOLQAosRhzQSzIef1qTPLFLsYt0neoUFDnHeGhAg817Vyp1AQf8pzqJYMii0 oxMtAwI4GXJ0BP4cun+kVW1H189Cn4PgtjSxPQHkhOREQgnl4G6p2Edq8+ox810T UwBkuLbpUhlqj6+S3t072KsCiFYDYMHV8xy7pNyyPllABepzx+h2S7JHfOf3trqO fh60NlB5AEt+FiW0zyAXvbFWvpIGr1E1Y1C0RBd+OcegkDqaztRiAG2+iXuNOrE= =oZpk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Discussion - issues with Fedora Join - solutions/ideas and TODOs?
by Ankur Sinha 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hiya, Before I begin, if you're a member of the Fedora community already, please apply for membership to the fedora-join group in FAS[1]. (That'll give us an idea of how many community members are interested in the SIG.) If you are a newbie and haven't introduced yourself yet, please do so. It's a somewhat long e-mail, but please bear with me and skim through it. I encourage *everyone* to reply to this e-mail with ideas/comments! Background and aim of this group - --------------------------------- For years now, we've heard that new potential contributors (henceforth referred to as "newbies") have a hard time joining the community. The reasons for this include, but are not limited to: - - newbies are timid (think squirrels!) - - newbies aren't used to the open source way of self education (Google the hell out of things, RTFM attitude, shamelessly ask questions if needed, NO spoon feeding and so on) - - newbies lose interest if they don't make friends and integrate into the community in a few weeks (few days?). - - the community is *vast*, spread over different teams with their own systems and procedures, and for someone new, finding the right people/channels/procedures can be quite daunting. - - community members are usually quite busy to give detailed replies - we're all volunteers here. - - more? So the idea of setting up the SIG was to set up channels of communication where newbies can come and in an extremely friendly environment form relationships within themselves, and with the community. For this to work, we need: - - the infrastructure. We have: * #fedora-join * this mailing list - - community members hanging out in these channels and willing to speak to newbies, help them get in touch with the right people, help them find the right resources, and so on. - - newbies. I hope this makes sense to everyone? Does everyone agree that the idea is a sane one? Any tweaks? How are we doing? - ------------------ Well, not too good, I'd say. We've helped out some folks in the past, but we're not as active as we should be. Ideally, we should be up to our ears in e-mails and questions and people. So why aren't we? - - Part of this is of course because we're busy with other things; - - Part of this is also because we haven't managed to gain enough traction to get more members of the community involved in helping out at the group. - - I'm not sure the entire community is aware of the existence of the channels we've set up - - I'm not sure if we are visible enough for newbies to find us (for example, we're not on whatcanidoforfedora.org) Other related reasons: - - we don't meet often (but do we need regular IRC meetings?) What can we do? - --------------- Now, this is the interesting bit! What do we do to improve the current state? Events (physical/IRC), make more noise, turn up in the right places, make ourselves more visible? Off the top of my head: - - We should make more noise to inform the community that we're here to help newbies get started - - I think we need to be better organised. For example, we don't have a SOP document (standard operating procedure) to guide either newbies or contributors to this group. Maybe we can set up a pagure repo where we open a new ticket for each newbie, and then close it when the newbie's integrated nicely with the community? - - We need to embrace metrics too - how many newbies do we have on this list? How many have we helped? Maybe we can set up a feedback form and request newbies to fill it out when they're ready? How many contributors do we have on this list? How often do people refer newbies to our channels? - - We need to integrate better with the community - we seem to be a standalone group at the moment, and that just won't work. Maybe we could integrate with CommOps better, since CommOps has members from the different teams? - - Maybe an IRC meeting a month just to keep ourselves active wouldn't be such a bad idea? - - The fas group is only for community members, do we need another for newbies? Should we just open the group to newbies? (This can then be used to give them wiki access which has been limited to cla+1 to deal with spam.) - - What else? Please, add to this list! Other stuff - ------------ Please do keep up with the Fedora hubs initiative[2]. It's going to be marvellous! It also has some functionality to enable people to join groups, but I still don't think it's a complete replacement for good old school conversation when it comes to forming relationships. Please, do reply to this e-mail with whatever ideas you have - we can't improve things without ideas and discussion. I'm still drowning in work, but when I do have time off (like this long weekend!), I'm going to be active. Most of you know that I lurk in a lot of fedora channels as FranciscoD, please feel free to ping me. [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/accounts/group/view/fedora-join [2] https://fedoramagazine.org/5tftw-2015-06-19/ - -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXxF/7AAoJEPjYwL66yJi90g8IAJKimXJRaGhbEIpKnYrpTRyk ltCHacYwwSpI2LJBKtmdvtZ9WU87r9/UgHDxOs8AB/BkFML56h6TU+jAkOOmo0CA i9anYGk9gcinBrWhEx43uKBlEEDKzX0abCKn0YlbWZbCVYml+Es5GnRMZjYNoTK+ tvUz6S3giWJPM+RD13dDQKXtEBW+Ep2dZkuDD/V4EWM6xFeJLeKbPyEs3U8Owr4Y RyNTE0IEUoldohQKbeTyEfIbgXbuBOUl3QV31kZUiVZKHo3LFYO11dw2XZCVzUgC O/Rc2B2CQCJh1soT/p6Y+sarpBWd65v/P96EFNUsiiQodMXCv8/4ja8WP9gjSi4= =92aM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Feedback request: whatcanidoforfedora.org
by Ankur Sinha 02 Sep '16

02 Sep '16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 Hiya, I'm trying to collect some feedback on whatcanidoforfedora.org (wcidff). If you have a few minutes, can you please try it out and then answer these questions? - - are you a Fedora contributor? - - have you used wcidff before? - - how did you learn of wcidff? - - what language did you use wcidff in? - - what device did you use to access wcidff? - - did you find it useful? - - did it successfully find you something to work on or a team to join? - - how much time did it take you to find a task/team? - - do you think wcidff followed the right path in finding you a task/team? - - did you enjoy using wcidff? - - would you recommend wcidff to others? - - did wcidff help you understand the workings of the community better? - - do you feel more confident about contributing after using wcidff? Just yes/no answers will suffice, but feel free to give some comments if you wish :) - -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJXx1pbAAoJEPjYwL66yJi9zUAIALLfz1qVyHWzP9q9D+dLo0SG 0II0Bd3PakpOk3wCUjx70f7lpDK5RfctjM4hp5tERys90DH6+ZEcKL/wTlt2BpNc 7bpl2KMDk3kB9FQf8Tzp64zpdYUulsZoa/Jq3z55HUxfEzwHSWti0JLIOUUGduP4 3Hi1PZpbm8uxRdmBtN6EZEItF0CUGH6ZHev+YV/2vgSxo7Ds9XEnWlc7vN/7Bga+ YD+TUJXy3TVVkJdaYJVaB1OKkVo6nwjugA67zGkZWmRnyFF+5EX8vpMD5gb933Kg 0TL5dvT+i5oXkMlY2sG3ykEz6zyWXAxWycbhECtGiRhrrPE8lY26z6XhGr481ZM= =/UuF -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: Discussion - issues with Fedora Join - solutions/ideas and TODOs?
by Ankur Sinha 31 Aug '16

31 Aug '16

<snip>> > >> 1. https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en- > >> US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/RPM_Guide/index.html > > > > You see the work draft somewhere, it should tell you that this > isn't > > finished. > > of course, but it still contains maybe useful information (although i > wouldn't use it much) Yea, but so will thousands of blog posts on the subject ;) > > >> 6. http://rpm5.org/docs/rpm-guide.pdf > > > > This is general rpm info - not specific to Fedora. > > of course, but still related/useful to packaging imho. (especially, > because its the most comprehensive document about rpm, i think) Honestly, one rarely needs this - in all my years as a package maintainer I may have looked at this maybe 4 times.. > > <snip> > > well ideally, we would just have a few documents with up-to-date > information, like: > > one general, up-to-date document about packaging in fedora, which > links > e.g. to http://rpm5.org/docs/rpm-guide.pdf and the language > specific > guide. Yea, but in the case of packaging, the wiki pages are up to date and pretty much official. If there's something you can't find in Category:Packaging, it's going to be an extremely rare one off and then you shoot an e-mail to the devel list. > > At least that is my opionion on "great documentation" :) Maybe (i'm > honestly not sure if i will have time for that) i can help with that > in the future. The wiki can be improved, yes - there's so much disorganised information there that it often takes a while to find things if you don't know the general region :/ Again, if you have specific ideas to improve things, I can pass them on to the right people :) -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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First Linux User group in Baramati
by Sangram Kakade 31 Aug '16

31 Aug '16

hello every, we have started Linux user Group in Baramati for rural students . we need some Fedora24 DVD's any one post me dvd set -- Thanks & Regards, Sangram P. Kakade Mob.No. 9975159162 / 8796535503

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Re: Discussion - issues with Fedora Join -
by toogley 31 Aug '16

31 Aug '16

solutions/ideas and TODOs? Reply-To: In-Reply-To: <1472487418.16983.38.camel(a)gmail.com> > - - Maybe an IRC meeting a month just to keep ourselves active wouldn't > be such a bad idea? in general i'm a bit sceptical about IRC meetings to a specific time in a international community, because we have all different time zones. That means, an IRC meeting at x o'clock is maybe practical for persons living in timezone Y, but very unpractical to participate in for persons living in timezone M. (Suprisingly, the activity on weekends is really low) And i don't think we want that.

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Welcome everyone! I'm Ankur (FranciscoD) - it's a pleasure to meet you!
by Ankur Sinha 21 Aug '16

21 Aug '16

Hiya, I noticed that we've had a few new subscriptions to the the mailing list recently. Please take this opportunity to tell us a little about yourselves. I'll start! I'm Ankur (*waves wildly*), currently in the UK where I'm doing my PhD. I've been a Fedora community member for quite a while now. I maintain some packages, test packages from updates-testing and help out in other areas where I can. Since I've been around for a while, I've made loads of friends in the community, and even if I don't actively help out a team or SIG, I'm generally aware of what they're up to and how one can get started (I have many *many* fedora wiki bookmarks!). You can learn more about me at my Fedora project user page here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha Please reply to this e-mail and give us a chance to get to know you - who you are, where you are from, what your interests are, what you do, what your dog is called ... ;) We can pick up from there and help you get started in your area of interest in the community! -- Thanks, Regards, Ankur Sinha "FranciscoD" http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ankursinha

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Re: Fedora Join SIG sponsorship request
by Tummala Dhanvi 12 Aug '16

12 Aug '16

On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 12:41 AM, Justin W. Flory <jflory7(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hello! > > You are receiving this email in regards to your application to become a > sponsored member of the Fedora Join SIG. > > At this time, the Join SIG is not an active body in the Fedora Project. If > you are seeking assistance with getting involved with the Fedora Project, > please first consider posting to our mailing list with a brief introduction > about your interests and where you might want to become involved in Fedora. > If you are not yet subscribed to our mailing list, you can find a link > below. > > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/fedora-join@lists.fedoraproject… > > If you have other questions about getting involved or have feedback about > your own experience in becoming a contributor, you are highly encouraged and > welcome to share them on that list. > > If you were hoping to help constructively shape and work on the on-boarding > process for new contributors, you can also consider becoming involved with > the Community Operations (CommOps) team. CommOps is actively working on > improving and helping simplify the on-boarding process for many different > teams in Fedora. For more information, please check out these following > pages. > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps/Join > > Should you have any other questions or concerns, feel free to post them on > the Fedora Join mailing list, or alternatively, you can reply to me. Thank > you for your interest in applying to the SIG! > I will post to the fedora-join mailing Justin. -- Regards Tummala Dhanvi https://www.dhanvi.org "Only thing that can never be 'RE-CYCLED' is 'WASTED TIME' ".

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Re: Can't login to fedora project wiki page
by Nuwan Indika 11 Aug '16

11 Aug '16

Hi Kevin and all, I will apply non CLA group but Kevin I created my fedoraproject wiki account last year (I'm working with the Danishka Navin <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Snavin> and Truong Anh Tuan <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tuanta>. ) and i did edit wiki pages without any problem for the fedora 24 release event also. Guys this account created last year and last few weeks i tried to access my account but i can't. Help me to solve this problem... On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 2:22 AM, Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com> wrote: > On Sat, 30 Jul 2016 16:33:13 -0400 > "Justin W. Flory" <jflory7(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Just throwing out an idea, perhaps we could use the Fedora Join SIG > > (fedora-join) FAS group to help bring new contributors into the > > project, and then they could be removed once they are sponsored into > > another group, if they are verified to be a human. > > > > CCing the Join list on this one too. > > If it's active enough we could sure... > > There was thought of making a new wikieditors group as well and just > having a large pool of existing contributors be sponsors and sponsor > people in as needed. > > kevin > > _______________________________________________ > infrastructure mailing list > infrastructure(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/infrastructure@lists.fedoraproj… > > -- *H.G Nuwan Indika* http://nuwan600.wordpress.com | Skype: nuwan600 <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#> <http://www.facebook.com/nuwan600> <http://lk.linkedin.com/in/h-g-nuwan-indika-a683ab43> <http://twitter.com/nuwan600> <http://www.instagram.com/nuwan600/>

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Re: [Community Operations (CommOps)] #80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group
by fedora-badges 09 Aug '16

09 Aug '16

#80: Create 'wiki-editors' FAS group --------------------------+--------------------- Reporter: jflory7 | Owner: jflory7 Type: enhancement | Status: closed Priority: major | Milestone: ASAP Component: Outreach | Severity: urgent Resolution: wontfix | Keywords: --------------------------+--------------------- Changes (by jflory7): * keywords: nextmeeting => * status: accepted => closed * resolution: => wontfix Comment: '''Discussed in [https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora- meeting/2016-08-09/commops.2016-08-09-16.02.html 2016-08-09 meeting].''' In the meeting, we determined that having the group doesn't make as much sense as just revising existing on-boarding steps to move away from the wiki. We've already witnessed a degree of social engineering by spammers to try to gain access to CLA+1, and as also mentioned, there are privileges that have a real impact on Fedora's infrastructure too, e.g. a quota of space in fedorapeople.org, when you have CLA+1. Further follow-up on this issue can be done in the relevant on-boarding tickets for each sub-project / team as outlined in #34. The only team where this would have a more immediate impact could be the Ambassadors, but this varies mentor to mentor, and is, as of recently, being discussed in [https://fedorahosted.org/famsco/ticket/399 famsco#399]. Closing as wontfix. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-commops/ticket/80#comment:16> Community Operations (CommOps) <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/CommOps> Community Operations (CommOps) aims to build and improve community infrastructure to better communication across the Project and to help tell the story of Fedora.

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