fonts July 2012

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Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide
by Nicolas Mailhot 27 Jul '12

27 Jul '12

Le Ven 27 juillet 2012 12:42, Akira TAGOH a écrit : > <match target="scan"> > <test="family" ignore-blanks="yes"> > <string>Droid Sans Fallback</string> > </test> > <edit name="lang" mode="assign"> > <minus><name>lang</name> > <langset><string>ja</string></langset> > </minus> > </edit> > </match> Thanks a lot for the experimenting. I take it that the most complete config version you produced is the patch you sent separately, not the version attached to this mail? Just to be clear: it's perfectly OK if the droid sans foo names subsist inside fontconfig, the aim is only to cull them from the font selection dropdowns in GUI apps Another complex fontconfig substitution scenario that needs investigating is automatic use of PT Sans Caption instead of PT Sans at small sizes, to simulate a modern smart font automatically in fontconfig apps (see the documentation for caption on https://www.adobe.com/type/opentype/) It's quite nice that after years of having a nice composing framework, but not enough floss fonts to exercise it, the problem is now to catch up with the possibilities offered by recent font projects. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Re: [Fontconfig] Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide
by Nicolas Mailhot 26 Jul '12

26 Jul '12

Le Jeu 26 juillet 2012 09:32, Akira TAGOH a écrit : > Well, I see what Nicolas wants to do here. since Japanese characters > on Unicode's CJK Unified Ideographs is a subset of Chinese characters, > I think he wanted to avoid picking Droid Sans Japanese up for Chinese > anyway. Ideally, I'd like the target="scan" lang-specific rules to generate a form of simulated locl table. I know the current rules I use don't do that, but I guess they are a sort of RFE on my part :) I think Droid is a good showcase of the dead-end selecting-lang-by-font-name is : if we don't hide the various lang-specific droid names to the user, it only takes two or three droid-like families to make font selection totally unusable in most apps. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Heads up: Droid fonts update in Rawhide
by Nicolas Mailhot 25 Jul '12

25 Jul '12

Hi, I've just pushed new Droid font packages to Fedora Rawhide. http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=330644 Droid are complex font families with a difficult upstream and the following caveats apply: A. I used a few hundred MiBs of Android git checkout as source. The fonts are also available in the Google font directory but it does not permit convenient checkout (one either needs to collect download URLs file-by-file, or perform a full-repository multi-gig mercurial checkout), its relationship with android as upstream is unclear, and it has been known to cut-down fonts to limit their weight when used in CSS files. As for other web sites, they are generally more convenient, but their upstream status is unclear, and they love to zap licensing terms to “simplify” their users' lives (even in Google-sponsored sites). So I concluded that what was good enough for Android was good enough for us. B. The fonts follow Keith Packard's “one font per script” ideal but I seriously question if fontconfig as it exists today is ready to process such an ideal. Expect to hit bugs in fontconfig or in apps with approximative fontconfig calls (the first generation of this package triggered a Chromium bug; Android uses its own font and font fallback tech so those fonts are not heavily tested in a fontconfig environment). Fedora fontconfig files for Droid are available here: http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=google-droid-fonts.git;a=tree C. I tried to dispatch the Arabic variants in the Latin family they were designed to complement, but I may have misunderstood the design info available online. D. Lots of new scripts here. i18n and l10n teams probably need to take a look to decide it that changes font defaults for some locales, and if compts changes are needed. E. If the package description does not correctly attribute the main designers involved, please educate me and I'll correct it. F. I've zapped DroidSansFallbackFull DroidSansFallbackLegacy DroidSansArabic DroidNaskh-Regular-SystemUI that seemed redundant. If they provide something missing in the other files, please tell me what it is and I'll fix the packages. And that's all for this notification. Needless to say for this level of changes those packages will only be available in F18 after F18 QA and won't ever be pushed to previous Fedora versions. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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Liberation 2.0 font development plan based on croscore fonts.
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 11 Jul '12

11 Jul '12

Hi All, Most of you aware regarding liberation license problem we are facing from long time. Looks like time came when we can get rid of it. Google has recently released google-croscore fonts. - These are from same vendor ascendar with OFL license and more glyph coverage than existing liberation. - Existing shape in liberation and same as croscore since from the same vendor. Plan: - Use base of croscore fonts and apply enhancements available in liberation and call new entity liberation 2.0 Advantage: 1. Liberation license issues will get resolved 2. Liberation user community will get enhanced fonts. i.e. more language coverage. Need help from legal for doing licensing stuff, dunno how we can crack licensing of Liberation SansNarrow. Regards, Pravin Satpute

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Droid updates ?
by Nicolas Mailhot 09 Jul '12

09 Jul '12

Hi, Now that Android has left git.kernel.org (and its gitweb) has anyone got a better solution than cloning several gigs of android git to check if Droid has been updated upstream? BTW: looking at the aforementionned repo clone it looks like Google added new script-specific droid bits so I guess trying to make a single composite font out of them in fontconfig will get yet more complicated. If anyone has suggestions on how to evolve http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/gitweb/?p=google-droid-fonts.git;a=blob_plain… I'm all ears Regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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feature proposal in f18
by Akira TAGOH 09 Jul '12

09 Jul '12

Hi, I'm going to submit the feature proposal for f18 that someone around here may be interesting. Please review https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Fontconfig2.10 if you like. P.S. I'm wondering if I should submit a separate feature for enabling autohint by default or do it without the feature page or just postpone... Cheers, -- Akira TAGOH

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Firefox: Font packages for MathML
by Frédéric WANG 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Dear Fedora developers, I'm one of the main developer of the Mozilla MathML Project. As explained here https://developer.mozilla.org/en/Mozilla_MathML_Project/Fonts http://www.maths-informatique-jeux.com/blog/frederic/?post/2012/04/21/Mozil… mathematical fonts are important for a good MathML rendering. The fonts currently usable by the MathML rendering engine are - STIX fonts (since Firefox 3.6) - Asana Math font (since at least Firefox 7.0) - MathJax fonts (since at least Firefox 13.0) I just looked quickly at https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/builds/show/F-devel-x86_64/firefox/0/… and was not able to find any font dependencies. I also found https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/mathml-fonts?_csrf_token=e0… but this package seems to contain old MathML fonts (used before Firefox 3.6). I would be grateful if you could update the Firefox dependencies with the fonts mentioned above. Thanks, -- Frédéric Wang maths-informatique-jeux.com/blog/frederic

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Heads up: STIX fonts update in Rawhide
by Nicolas Mailhot 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Hi, After some time procrastinating I've finally bumped STIX fonts to 1.1.0 in Rawhide. This is a major update (1 years and a half work upstream IIRC) Gone is the huge pile of files only TEX macros could beat some sense in, the new font layout finally approaches sanity. The cons being that if you've used the old font names in documents, you're in trouble. I've tried to limit the breakage through fontconfig aliasing (but that only works for apps smart enough to use fontconfig). Please report problems (if any). For the aforementioned reasons, I don't intend to push this update to current and past releases. Best regards, -- Nicolas Mailhot

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STIX fonts updates
by Nicolas Mailhot 08 Jul '12

08 Jul '12

Hi, After some procrastination time I've bumped STIX fonts to 1.1 in Rawhide. This is a major release (1 year and a half work upstream IIRC) The font layout and naming has been changed to something approaching sanity, and the complexfont piles only TEX ma -- Nicolas Mailhot

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fontconfig template updates
by Akira TAGOH 04 Jul '12

04 Jul '12

Hi, just corrected the template of the locale-specific overrides rule at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fontconfig_packaging_tips There are no changes of the behavior though, in next release of fontconfig, it will warns if <test> elements contains multiple values, this change has been made because of the unreliable/non-intuitive behavior. for alternatives, if one wants to test the lang, you can use compare="contains" instead. otherwise you'll need to put more <match>es then. I'll post the list of the packages here later what packages needs to be updated for that and also will file a bug too. Thanks, --- Akira TAGOH

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