Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
~m
Em 28-07-2009 12:42, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
Good, but the effects are very similar to the Fedora 6 default wallpaper.
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
~m
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On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 13:06 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 28-07-2009 12:42, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
Good, but the effects are very similar to the Fedora 6 default wallpaper.
I see great minds think alike :)
I wonder if it would help differentiate it if the glow comes upward from the tiles rather than shining down on it?
~m
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 12:38 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I wonder if it would help differentiate it if the glow comes upward from the tiles rather than shining down on it?
before:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/archive/0/0b/20090728171405! Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
after:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
(still needs some work, the after is a bit too greenish)
do you think this is different enough from fc6?
~m
m 28-07-2009 14:14, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 12:38 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
I wonder if it would help differentiate it if the glow comes upward from the tiles rather than shining down on it?
before:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/archive/0/0b/20090728171405! Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
after:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
(still needs some work, the after is a bit too greenish)
do you think this is different enough from fc6?
Not yet.
The wallpaper must have a icon that represents the name, I guess.
Like the "Constantine I" statue, Pilar or gate proposed by Jayme or the Lion proposed for Fedora 11 by Samuele.
I'm not a artwork specialist, these are my comments based in conversations with brazilian users about the Fedora 11 wallpaper.
This proposal is very abstract and the relationship with the name is very subliminal.
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:34 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
The wallpaper must have a icon that represents the name, I guess.
Actually we have no such rule for the artwork.
Like the "Constantine I" statue, Pilar or gate proposed by Jayme or the Lion proposed for Fedora 11 by Samuele.
If you must associate the wallpaper with a noun (which I think is bad practice) it is very clearly a mosaic, so you could say "Mosaic."
I'm not a artwork specialist, these are my comments based in conversations with brazilian users about the Fedora 11 wallpaper.
Thanks for your feedback.
This proposal is very abstract and the relationship with the name is very subliminal.
Totally the intention!
`M
Em 28-07-2009 14:39, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:34 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
The wallpaper must have a icon that represents the name, I guess.
Actually we have no such rule for the artwork.
Yes I know, but it helps to create a visual identity for the release. With it we can create a Media Art, Web Banners using the same concept.
Like the "Constantine I" statue, Pilar or gate proposed by Jayme or the Lion proposed for Fedora 11 by Samuele.
If you must associate the wallpaper with a noun (which I think is bad practice) it is very clearly a mosaic, so you could say "Mosaic."
Humm. IMHO it's important and is a good practice
We dont have a theme for each Fedora Release or bi desktop changes, so, we need to stamp the Fedora release name in the Wallpaper using a visible concept/icon.
I'm not a artwork specialist, these are my comments based in conversations with brazilian users about the Fedora 11 wallpaper.
Thanks for your feedback.
This proposal is very abstract and the relationship with the name is very subliminal.
Totally the intention!
`M
My US$0,02
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:56 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 28-07-2009 14:39, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 14:34 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
The wallpaper must have a icon that represents the name, I guess.
Actually we have no such rule for the artwork.
Yes I know, but it helps to create a visual identity for the release. With it we can create a Media Art, Web Banners using the same concept.
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
Like the "Constantine I" statue, Pilar or gate proposed by Jayme or the Lion proposed for Fedora 11 by Samuele.
If you must associate the wallpaper with a noun (which I think is bad practice) it is very clearly a mosaic, so you could say "Mosaic."
Humm. IMHO it's important and is a good practice
Your opinion has been noted.
We dont have a theme for each Fedora Release or bi desktop changes, so, we need to stamp the Fedora release name in the Wallpaper using a visible concept/icon.
I really don't follow your rationale. Let's continue this conversation in a different thread if you really feel the need.
~m
On 07/28/2009 09:04 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
One word: Nike. That one is really a textbook example regarding logo and identity design - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoosh
2009/7/29 Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro:
On 07/28/2009 09:04 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
One word: Nike. That one is really a textbook example regarding logo and identity design - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoosh
lol $35 and one diamond ring 11 years later.
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Em 29-07-2009 03:44, Nicu Buculei escreveu:
On 07/28/2009 09:04 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
One word: Nike. That one is really a textbook example regarding logo and identity design - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoosh
We are not talking about the logo. The Fedora logo and the message subliminal in the logo is perfect.
The question here is to add something in the wallpaper to create a relation between the Release Name and the desktop visual identity.
I think we need to create a better wallpaper than created for Fedora 11.
The original wallpaper proposed by Samuele was great, but without the Lion the wallpaper is very simple.
We have great proposals by Jayme and Samuele [1], for Fedora 12 we can do better than Fedora 11 working in these great ideas, I guess!
[1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F12_Artwork#Concepts.2C_WIP_Designs
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:54 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 29-07-2009 03:44, Nicu Buculei escreveu:
On 07/28/2009 09:04 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
One word: Nike. That one is really a textbook example regarding logo and identity design - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoosh
We are not talking about the logo. The Fedora logo and the message subliminal in the logo is perfect.
The question here is to add something in the wallpaper to create a relation between the Release Name and the desktop visual identity.
I think we need to create a better wallpaper than created for Fedora 11.
The original wallpaper proposed by Samuele was great, but without the Lion the wallpaper is very simple.
Please stop. This thread is over.
~m
Em 29-07-2009 11:58, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 08:54 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 29-07-2009 03:44, Nicu Buculei escreveu:
On 07/28/2009 09:04 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Rodrigo, it isn't necessary to base a theme on a physical object to create a visual identity. For example, there are many brands out there that have strong visual identities that are based on abstract designs and/or patterns. For example, 37signals has a very distinctive and recognizable brand identity, but it's not focused on a lion, a chia pet, an airplane, or an umbrella. Same goes for Starbucks (very strong visual identity that uses a lot of abstracted folk art), Adidas (their main visual identity is based on three abstract stripes), JetBlue (very distinctive brand identify involving analogous shades of blue and violet in various vector-based patterns) etc. etc. etc. I really could go on, but let's not.
One word: Nike. That one is really a textbook example regarding logo and identity design - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swoosh
We are not talking about the logo. The Fedora logo and the message subliminal in the logo is perfect.
The question here is to add something in the wallpaper to create a relation between the Release Name and the desktop visual identity.
I think we need to create a better wallpaper than created for Fedora 11.
The original wallpaper proposed by Samuele was great, but without the Lion the wallpaper is very simple.
Please stop. This thread is over.
~m
Ok Mairin.
I'm just writing about my POV.
You, as Design/Artwork leader, need to be more open to sugestions.
If this list and you are not open to sugestions, ok!! I'm going out!
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 09:11 -0300, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 29-07-2009 11:58, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
Please stop. This thread is over.
I'm just writing about my POV.
We already know your point of view. We had a long, unproductive argument about this on the list some months ago. Your pushing this agenda now isn't going to be any more effective now as it was then.
You, as Design/Artwork leader, need to be more open to sugestions.
If this list and you are not open to sugestions, ok!! I'm going out!
We are open to suggestions. We're not open to hearing the same agenda^W 'suggestion' that we disagreed with multiple times before.
~m
On 07/28/2009 07:06 PM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 28-07-2009 12:42, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
Wow! you hit me big time with nostalgia about Mola's FC6 design, which I liked *a lot* at the time (but this one is much better from an usability point of view).
Good, but the effects are very similar to the Fedora 6 default wallpaper.
But this is not a bad thing. We always said some interesting concepts may be revisited later (like F7's starry night, moon or flying), just not in the subsequent releases. And in various (unscientific) pools, FC6's DNA theme is considered an all time favorite by many users.
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 09:51:10AM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 07/28/2009 07:06 PM, Rodrigo Padula de Oliveira wrote:
Em 28-07-2009 12:42, Máirín Duffy escreveu:
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
Wow! you hit me big time with nostalgia about Mola's FC6 design, which I liked *a lot* at the time (but this one is much better from an usability point of view).
Good, but the effects are very similar to the Fedora 6 default wallpaper.
But this is not a bad thing. We always said some interesting concepts may be revisited later (like F7's starry night, moon or flying), just not in the subsequent releases. And in various (unscientific) pools, FC6's DNA theme is considered an all time favorite by many users.
I've read that quite a bit myself. I have no idea how it fares in usability measurements but I know several people who hung on to their FC6 backgrounds up until around F9 or later. That's all anecdotal, but suffice it to say that having a hint of something we used in a different way before isn't, by definition, a bad thing.
On 28/07/09 16:42, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
I like this one too. In fact, from the quick office poll, they like this one the best, from all that are on the wiki (although there is some kind of unicorn hatred among some people). The light streaks and the specks look a little artificial (like on top reater than within the water), but that can be easily fixed. I don't think the similarity with FC6 is a problem. Maybe dropping the specks will help differentiate.
Sorry , but i think is to fog or smoth in this image.
2009/7/28 Charlie Brej fedora-art@brej.org
On 28/07/09 16:42, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
I like this one too. In fact, from the quick office poll, they like this one the best, from all that are on the wiki (although there is some kind of unicorn hatred among some people). The light streaks and the specks look a little artificial (like on top reater than within the water), but that can be easily fixed. I don't think the similarity with FC6 is a problem. Maybe dropping the specks will help differentiate. _______________________________________________ design-team mailing list design-team@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/design-team
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 05:18:12PM +0100, Charlie Brej wrote:
On 28/07/09 16:42, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
I like this one too. In fact, from the quick office poll, they like this one the best, from all that are on the wiki (although there is some kind of unicorn hatred among some people). The light streaks and the specks look a little artificial (like on top reater than within the water), but that can be easily fixed. I don't think the similarity with FC6 is a problem. Maybe dropping the specks will help differentiate.
This is one of the designs I've really liked as well. Do you think it might address the artificiality if the beams of light ran a little more parallel and upward, as if the light source were significantly further away from the underside of the mosaic?
I need to look at the wiki again so I can see all these designs near one another.
On 28/07/09 22:58, Paul W. Frields wrote:
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 05:18:12PM +0100, Charlie Brej wrote:
On 28/07/09 16:42, Máirín Duffy wrote:
Hi,
First of all, I am completely floored by the quality of submission we've been getting for F12, especially early today. :) I guess deadlines do help! I think you folks have really taken this to the next level, which is great!
I put together a quick proposal based on Nicu's photoshoot of the mosaics in Bucharest. Actually it's sort of similar to the F6 wallpaper, which I realized afterwards. :( But maybe it would be a good supplementary wallpaper. Here it is:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/0b/Fedora12_mosaic-glow_mo.png
The xcf.gz source is uploading to mediawiki right now (same file name, replace png with xcf.gz), but it might stall, if it does I'll put it up on my Fedora People page.
I like this one too. In fact, from the quick office poll, they like this one the best, from all that are on the wiki (although there is some kind of unicorn hatred among some people). The light streaks and the specks look a little artificial (like on top reater than within the water), but that can be easily fixed. I don't think the similarity with FC6 is a problem. Maybe dropping the specks will help differentiate.
This is one of the designs I've really liked as well. Do you think it might address the artificiality if the beams of light ran a little more parallel and upward, as if the light source were significantly further away from the underside of the mosaic?
I need to look at the wiki again so I can see all these designs near one another.
Actually, Mo already changed it so the glow comes from under the tiles. It looks quite real now.
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