Hello Folks!
I would like to propose an art to the wallpaper of the F12. I was researching the name "Constantine" and with this there are many ways to conceptualize an art for the code. As I like to work with bitmaps (and I know that is a little problematic to work with this format, because the final file size) then decided to make 2 collage of photos I found in Stock.XCHNG and Flikr. http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-I.jpg http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-II.jpg
The first reference is to the art Walled Obelisk [1] (Samuele think I already mentioned to work with this file), but here we have a problem, the picture is not under Creative Commons license, I have been in contact with the photographer and I hope your answer and release for the CC license.
The other relates to the art Arch of Constantine in Rome, which carries the same design lines interlaced in columns. Regarding the license to use this image, please contact the photographer and he said we can use it.
[1]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walled_Obelisk [2]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arch_of_Constantine
Below the links of the images used. Tower: http://www.flickr.com/photos/marantzer/2302284737/ Tower - waiting answer. http://www.sxc.hu/photo/986181 - Textura - Same licence of Clouds
Arc: http://www.flickr.com/photos/encontrado/2351294913/ - Arco - Licence OK http://www.sxc.hu/photo/1182234 - Clouds - Licence OK (by Tatica) http://www.sxc.hu/photo/986181 - Textura - Same licence of Clouds
Cheers!
PS: Sorry about my (google/yahoo) english. (=
-- Jayme Ayres www.jaymeayres.com www.projetofedora.org www.twitter.com/jaymeayres http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JaymeAyres
Hi Jayme!
These are very nice works - I've some quick feedback below:
On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 15:16 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
Hello Folks!
I would like to propose an art to the wallpaper of the F12. I was researching the name "Constantine" and with this there are many ways to conceptualize an art for the code. As I like to work with bitmaps (and I know that is a little problematic to work with this format, because the final file size) then decided to make 2 collage of photos I found in Stock.XCHNG and Flikr. http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-I.jpg
- I think maybe the walled obelisk is a bit obscure a reference that most users won't understand unless they dig for the info
- What are the laser beams / light rays? What are they meant to symbolize? Why is one blue, one orange? I almost feel the composition would be stronger without them... they seem a different kind of style (smooth bright) than the rest of the image (faded, gritty, worn) and it kind of clashes doesn't it?
- I love the little light balls swirling around the obelisk - it's simply a very pretty effect - but again I am not sure it works with the rest of the composition the way it stands now. I'd love to see a wallpaper with these light balls in it though.
- I really like how you've brought a warm color, purple, into the wallpaper. We usually have blue which is very cold, purple being an analogous color is something we've tried to work in before, I would like to see it happen sometime.
http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-II.jpg
- I have the same concern here about the clash between the classical / gritty / faded / photorealistic artwork & the very vector-like, bright, and smooth light beams.
- why are the beams blue? why are they surrounding the gate?
One thing that concerns me about both wallpapers as well as they have a similar texture/grittiness to them as the Fedora 11 wallpaper. So I would worry maybe perhaps folks would think it is too close to what we have for F11.
In general I think the method of taking a photo of an object affiliated with the theme codename, especially if it's an obscure connection, and building a wallpaper around that is too literal a way to interpret the theme. I think it's better to think about more abstract ideas and themes that come from a bit of deeper background on the codename (like we had talked before about some thematic ideas to build a visual interpretation of: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000299.html)
Because of this, I'm not sure how to suggest a path forward for these works. :-/ Perhaps take a more thematic idea around constantine and apply some of the light beam / glow balls towards an interpretation of it?
Overall, these are beautifully rendered works! I just worry about the concept and the message (or lack thereof) they would send to users.
~m
2009/7/24 Máirín Duffy mairin@linuxgrrl.com:
Hi Jayme!
These are very nice works - I've some quick feedback below:
Thanks Mo
- I think maybe the walled obelisk is a bit obscure a reference that
most users won't understand unless they dig for the info
- What are the laser beams / light rays? What are they meant to
symbolize? Why is one blue, one orange? I almost feel the composition would be stronger without them... they seem a different kind of style (smooth bright) than the rest of the image (faded, gritty, worn) and it kind of clashes doesn't it?
My proposal was simply mix some styles of design, make a proposal referring to surrealism (with classic art desing or photography) Maybe in the design the answers like "why" or "what" is important to conceptualize a design, as it is proposed that, form and function. But what I proposed was an art, and art is subjective, as everyone knows, the idea of the artist is to produce a reaction in people who are seeing their work (feelings of repulsion, surprise, love, peace, chaos, etc), this may be the concept of art, no function but refer to the idea of the name. Today there are many designers [1] on Intentet by doing this kind of mix, I thought it would be proposing something of that kind. Maybe I was not happy in the choice. The effects of light are effects that technology (lines) sender and metaphorically up the concept of features as well as the bubbles in the lines around it.
[1] http://fc04.deviantart.com/fs43/f/2009/089/4/d/Elin_by_orrisen.jpg http://9.media.tumblr.com/JHS2pWya6q8spghaRgk7vIRZo1_500.jpg http://abduzeedo.com/gimp-galaxy http://www.abductit.com/files/misc/u1/coffee_conclusion.jpg
- I love the little light balls swirling around the obelisk - it's
simply a very pretty effect - but again I am not sure it works with the rest of the composition the way it stands now. I'd love to see a wallpaper with these light balls in it though.
- I really like how you've brought a warm color, purple, into the
wallpaper. We usually have blue which is very cold, purple being an analogous color is something we've tried to work in before, I would like to see it happen sometime.
This is the proposal, the break in a soft blue.
http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-II.jpg
- I have the same concern here about the clash between the classical /
gritty / faded / photorealistic artwork & the very vector-like, bright, and smooth light beams.
- why are the beams blue? why are they surrounding the gate?
One thing that concerns me about both wallpapers as well as they have a similar texture/grittiness to them as the Fedora 11 wallpaper. So I would worry maybe perhaps folks would think it is too close to what we have for F11.
In general I think the method of taking a photo of an object affiliated with the theme codename, especially if it's an obscure connection, and building a wallpaper around that is too literal a way to interpret the theme. I think it's better to think about more abstract ideas and themes that come from a bit of deeper background on the codename (like we had talked before about some thematic ideas to build a visual interpretation of: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000299.html)
Because of this, I'm not sure how to suggest a path forward for these works. :-/ Perhaps take a more thematic idea around constantine and apply some of the light beam / glow balls towards an interpretation of it?
Overall, these are beautifully rendered works! I just worry about the concept and the message (or lack thereof) they would send to users.
~m
Well, this is my proposal, I put the sources for all to study and modify. http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-I.xcf http://jaymeayres.fedorapeople.org/f12/fedora-wall-jayme-II.xcf
Hi! @Jayme Ayres I try something with your .xcf file . This is result : http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/fedora-wall-mythcat.jpg I think is more fedora colors :) .
On 07/24/2009 09:28 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
In general I think the method of taking a photo of an object affiliated with the theme codename, especially if it's an obscure connection, and building a wallpaper around that is too literal a way to interpret the theme. I think it's better to think about more abstract ideas and themes that come from a bit of deeper background on the codename (like we had talked before about some thematic ideas to build a visual interpretation of: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/design-team/2009-June/000299.html)
But it seems so far we were unable to bring those concepts into a visual representation. And with a deadline only a few days away, maybe we should consider a pragmatic approach (i think so far Tatica's mosaic with incorporating some feedback from Mo on the TODO is our strongest contender as a *default* so far).
I also am disappointed to see very few proposals so far for the *additional* wallpapers, we have so far only Tatica's design for kids/education.
I know I should put my graphics where my mouth is and draw something, but I tried a design, not liked it enough and thrashed it.
I try something with more colors . I use on my desktop wallpaper and is very nice . https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Fedora_wall6.jpg
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2009/7/27 Nicu Buculei nicu_fedora@nicubunu.ro:
On 07/24/2009 09:28 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
But it seems so far we were unable to bring those concepts into a visual representation. And with a deadline only a few days away, maybe we should consider a pragmatic approach (i think so far Tatica's mosaic with incorporating some feedback from Mo on the TODO is our strongest contender as a *default* so far).
So I wanted to propose a new design. According to the Tasks [1] tomorrow (Tue 2009-07-28) is the deadline for the Alfa Walpaper. [1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-design-tasks.html
I also am disappointed to see very few proposals so far for the *additional* wallpapers, we have so far only Tatica's design for kids/education.
I am too, and that is why I made my proposal, I believe that the current proposals are good but can be improved.
I know I should put my graphics where my mouth is and draw something, but I tried a design, not liked it enough and thrashed it.
I think you could show your drafts. I have to take the proposal from the tower, did it the authorization of the photographer, I ask that all who made the download delete it.
On 07/27/2009 03:09 PM, Jayme Ayres wrote:
So I wanted to propose a new design. According to the Tasks [1] tomorrow (Tue 2009-07-28) is the deadline for the Alfa Walpaper. [1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-design-tasks.html
The deadline is supposed to be about submitting concepts, not finished images.
I also am disappointed to see very few proposals so far for the *additional* wallpapers, we have so far only Tatica's design for kids/education.
I am too, and that is why I made my proposal, I believe that the current proposals are good but can be improved.
According to the schedule, after this deadline we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release quality work) and packaging.
This should work as a reminder: if you work on some concepts and have not shared them with the team yet, please do it. I think this development cycle we will enforce deadlines and schedule, so if a submission comes too late, it may be too late.
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 16:30 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 07/27/2009 03:09 PM, Jayme Ayres wrote:
So I wanted to propose a new design. According to the Tasks [1] tomorrow (Tue 2009-07-28) is the deadline for the Alfa Walpaper. [1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-design-tasks.html
The deadline is supposed to be about submitting concepts, not finished images.
As I understand it is supposed to be about having some designs for wallpapers prepared (concept is more like an idea, this deadline is about images, though they are not supposed to be much beyond DRAFT stage).
According to the schedule, after this deadline we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release quality work) and packaging.
Yup, we'll have one more week to get the wallpapers into Alpha -- which means selecting concept, do some initial polishes on one or more selected designs and package it.
This should work as a reminder: if you work on some concepts and have not shared them with the team yet, please do it. I think this development cycle we will enforce deadlines and schedule, so if a submission comes too late, it may be too late.
Yep.
Martin
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 04:30:37PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 07/27/2009 03:09 PM, Jayme Ayres wrote:
So I wanted to propose a new design. According to the Tasks [1] tomorrow (Tue 2009-07-28) is the deadline for the Alfa Walpaper. [1] http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-design-tasks.html
The deadline is supposed to be about submitting concepts, not finished images.
I also am disappointed to see very few proposals so far for the *additional* wallpapers, we have so far only Tatica's design for kids/education.
I am too, and that is why I made my proposal, I believe that the current proposals are good but can be improved.
According to the schedule, after this deadline we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release quality work) and packaging.
This should work as a reminder: if you work on some concepts and have not shared them with the team yet, please do it. I think this development cycle we will enforce deadlines and schedule, so if a submission comes too late, it may be too late.
Nicu, thanks for pointing this out. Enforcing the schedule sounds at first like it might be somewhat harsh -- but in reality, it's the best way to be fair to *everyone*. By tracking the schedule we have a much better chance to make sure that not all the work falls on one or two people. As Nicu said, if you've got something you haven't shared, now's the time to get it into consideration.
"...we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release quality work) and packaging."
This is correct !
I try use some wallpapers with icons and the result is not very impressive. I show my wallpaper screenshot (the others maybe try some feedback ...) :
http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen1.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen2.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen3.png
On 07/27/2009 05:49 PM, Cata wrote:
This is correct !
I try use some wallpapers with icons and the result is not very impressive. I show my wallpaper screenshot (the others maybe try some feedback ...) :
http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen1.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen2.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen3.png
I have a feeling "screen3" would be worse for icons on the right side of the screen.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:49:46PM +0300, Cata wrote:
"...we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release quality work) and packaging."
This is correct !
I try use some wallpapers with icons and the result is not very impressive. I show my wallpaper screenshot (the others maybe try some feedback ...) :
http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen1.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen2.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen3.png
FWIW, desktop icons seem to have a somewhat difficult time standing out on any of these backgrounds, and the desktop icon labels even more so. The darkness of the screen1 version makes this problem less severe. The screen2 version, with a less dense pattern, might work better if it was made darker. Same with screen3, only you might want to lower the contrast as well.
About feedback on my wallpaper : Sorry but problems with dense patent and contrast is not very easy to remediate. Because i use gimp and filter mosaic have minimal 5 px. If i use 7 px and more this will be ta range of chars so the text icons il be damage .
The result is this (1600x1200 px) : http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen4.png Maybe is to bluejeans :) but is a ergonomic wallpaper.
2009/7/27 Paul W. Frields stickster@gmail.com
On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 05:49:46PM +0300, Cata wrote:
"...we have one more week for some polishing (*not* final, release
quality
work) and packaging."
This is correct !
I try use some wallpapers with icons and the result is not very
impressive.
I show my wallpaper screenshot (the others maybe try some feedback ...) :
http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen1.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen2.png http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen3.png
FWIW, desktop icons seem to have a somewhat difficult time standing out on any of these backgrounds, and the desktop icon labels even more so. The darkness of the screen1 version makes this problem less severe. The screen2 version, with a less dense pattern, might work better if it was made darker. Same with screen3, only you might want to lower the contrast as well.
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Hi Cata,
On Tue, 2009-07-28 at 16:17 +0300, Cata wrote:
About feedback on my wallpaper : Sorry but problems with dense patent and contrast is not very easy to remediate. Because i use gimp and filter mosaic have minimal 5 px. If i use 7 px and more this will be ta range of chars so the text icons il be damage .
The result is this (1600x1200 px) : http://catalinfest.xhost.ro/imgin/screen4.png Maybe is to bluejeans :) but is a ergonomic wallpaper.
Do you have a plain copy of it (without the UI elements in the screenshot?)
~m
On Mon, 2009-07-27 at 09:09 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote:
I have to take the proposal from the tower, did it the authorization of the photographer, I ask that all who made the download delete it.
It's still on the wiki page so I'm going to have it deleted, hope that's okay.
~m
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