docs February 2008

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Release note beats for F9?
by Kevin Kofler 10 Mar '08

10 Mar '08

When will http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Docs/Beats start targeting F9? According to http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule the beats for the preview/RC release are supposed to be complete March 16, but currently they're still targeting F8. I also don't see any schedule entry at the aforementioned URL about when the beats will start targeting F9. Kevin Kofler

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Re: Publican and Other Langs
by Juan Rodriguez 06 Mar '08

06 Mar '08

Hi there, I joined the Documentation Program some time ago, hoping to help write helpful files in Spanish for Fedora Users, and while I haven't been able to contribute anything at all yet, I would like to start doing so. I've been testing Publican, the new Documentation Package, and while it can create the books in English, its making the translation thats giving me issues. Now, I'm new to DocBook, and Publican, so I might be doing something wrong. What I did is create a Test Book called Test_Book, using create_book --name Test_Book. Afterwards, I uncommented OTHER LANGS from the Makefile, removed all of them except es-ES, then proceeded to make update-po-all. All XMLs are turned into a .po, though they create a warning "field 'Project-Id-Version' still has initial value, then an error. Created ../es-ES/Test_Book.po. After: msgfmt: (null): warning: PO file header missing or invalid warning: charset conversion will not work msgfmt: found 1 fatal error And Test_Book.po is completely blank. What am I doing wrong, or is this a bug I should report? And if so, where? Thanks for your time -Nushio -- Ing. Juan M. Rodriguez Moreno Desarrollador de Sistemas Abiertos Sitio: www.isocron.net

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Welcome Email
by Mike McGrath 01 Mar '08

01 Mar '08

Hey docs people! I'm working on FAS2, its getting real close. I was wondering if someone would draft up what they want the welcome email to say when people sign up for an account for the first time. Something to encourage them and help them through the process of what to do after the cla is signed. Joining the Fedora Project is like walking into IKEA the first time. Lets try to ease that :) -Mike

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-27 IRC log
by John Babich 28 Feb '08

28 Feb '08

Feb 27 22:13:58 <jmbuser> <meeting> Feb 27 22:14:19 <jmbuser> Welcome to the Fedora Docs Meeting Feb 27 22:14:26 <jmbuser> Roll Call Feb 27 22:14:30 <jmbuser> John Babich Feb 27 22:15:00 <couf> Bart Couvreur Feb 27 22:15:22 <glezos> Dimitris Glezos Feb 27 22:16:38 <glezos> stickster, quaid, BobJensen: ping Feb 27 22:17:11 <jmbuser> quaid gave his apology earlier - he's not feeling well... Feb 27 22:17:32 <jmbuser> stickster may join us later...he has a meeting Feb 27 22:17:54 * jsmith (n=jsmith(a)72.21.36.138) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:17:58 <jmbuser> BobJensen's taking care of family business... Feb 27 22:18:10 <jmbuser> jsmith: ping Feb 27 22:18:34 * jsmith is here Feb 27 22:18:54 <jmbuser> OK, please see the agenda at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings Feb 27 22:19:42 <jmbuser> Item #1: Any update on one-page summary? Feb 27 22:20:19 * mdomsch has quit ("Leaving") Feb 27 22:20:22 <couf> JonRob asked about it on the marketing-list Feb 27 22:21:14 <couf> will be a part of the markteting meeting this week, afaik Feb 27 22:22:42 <jmbuser> couf: I can't find the reference, but I'll take your word on it Feb 27 22:23:26 <couf> ow, hang on Feb 27 22:23:43 <couf> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2008-February/msg0043… Feb 27 22:23:53 <jmbuser> couf: thanks Feb 27 22:24:33 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr(a)p54B113A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:24:44 <couf> I'm in favor of letting marketing do the first write-ups and we go in after to do some wordsmithing etc Feb 27 22:25:27 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 27 22:25:57 <jmbuser> Any other comments on item #1? Feb 27 22:26:17 <EvilBob> Hey I am Here Feb 27 22:26:31 <jmbuser> EvilBob: welcome Feb 27 22:27:01 <jmbuser> OK, how about item #2 - update on active content - Release notes? Feb 27 22:27:48 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:27:52 <jmbuser> Ties in with beta freeze, I would imagine Feb 27 22:28:12 * stickster is now known as stickster_afk Feb 27 22:28:34 <jmbuser> So, moving on...DUG / AG / SMG Feb 27 22:29:06 <EvilBob> IG: I have no updates this week, I have been learning emacs and vi trying to find an editor before I start digging in Feb 27 22:29:31 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:29:32 <jmbuser> EvilBob: OK Feb 27 22:29:52 <couf> same here: no updates Feb 27 22:30:31 <jmbuser> DUG: No update - I'm ready to attempt Publican to do some DocBook conversion, after some editing Feb 27 22:31:00 <jmbuser> OK, crypto? Feb 27 22:31:34 <jsmith> Last I heard on crypto, Sparks was still working on it in the wiki Feb 27 22:31:43 * cdehaan (n=Cody(a)urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:31:54 <jsmith> jmbuser: I'm happy to help with DocBook conversion on DUG, fwiw Feb 27 22:32:39 <jmbuser> jsmith: Thanks, as long as I can take part in it, because I need to improve my skills at DocBook Feb 27 22:33:06 <jsmith> jmbuser: Absolutely! I'll just play the role as mentor, answering questions as you get stuck Feb 27 22:33:23 <jmbuser> jsmith: Thanks Feb 27 22:33:37 * fabian_a (n=fabian(a)84-75-160-95.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:33:38 <jmbuser> Moving on - ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion beat Feb 27 22:34:35 <EvilBob> To do this week, BobJensen needs to get an email out for Beats content Feb 27 22:35:40 <jmbuser> I saw some blogging on it Feb 27 22:35:59 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:36:04 <EvilBob> Yeah I am going to start blogging this week Feb 27 22:36:48 <jmbuser> EvilBob: excellent Feb 27 22:37:24 <jmbuser> Set Chair/Leader - should we tackle this now or wait on it? Feb 27 22:37:35 * smooge has quit ("-ENOCAFFEINE") Feb 27 22:37:52 <EvilBob> vice chair Feb 27 22:37:55 <jsmith> jmbuser: Before we jump to that, can we mention SMG? Feb 27 22:38:01 * smooge (n=smooge(a)canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:38:03 <EvilBob> jsmith: yes Feb 27 22:38:12 <jmbuser> jsmith: +1 Feb 27 22:38:19 <jsmith> I'm still waiting on feedback on the SMG transition from Wiki to CVS Feb 27 22:38:27 * smooge has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 27 22:38:35 * DanseMakabre (i=pat(a)bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:38:43 <jsmith> (technically, it should be in good shape... it could use some wordsmithing in a few places, but the docbook should be pretty solid) Feb 27 22:39:06 <jsmith> I was hoping to get some of the more experienced members of the team to make sure I haven't totally screwed up Feb 27 22:39:18 * jsmith is still new here, and doesn't want to assume he's doing it right Feb 27 22:39:28 <jmbuser> jsmith: I can review it for typos, style, etc. if you like Feb 27 22:40:00 <jsmith> jmbuser: OK, that would be great. Feb 27 22:40:12 <jsmith> I'll try to get quaid or stickster to review the DocBook Feb 27 22:40:20 <jsmith> That's all I had ;-) Feb 27 22:40:45 <jmbuser> jsmith: Are you familiar with the CVS procedures? Feb 27 22:40:48 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("It's not the pace of life that concerns me, it's the sudden stop at the end.") Feb 27 22:42:38 * cdehaan (n=Cody(a)urwireless-dhcp-128-151-25-111.wireless.rochester.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:42:38 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yes Feb 27 22:42:48 <jmbuser> jsmith: good Feb 27 22:42:55 <jsmith> jmbuser: I've already done the conversion to DocBook and checked the changes into CVS Feb 27 22:43:05 <jsmith> jmbuser: (in the yum-management-guide module) Feb 27 22:43:15 <jmbuser> jsmith: good++ Feb 27 22:43:34 <jsmith> What I'm not super-familiar with is the tool chain Feb 27 22:43:50 <jsmith> (and nuances of various DocBook tags and how you guys use them) Feb 27 22:44:04 <jsmith> But yes, I'm very familiar with CVS and DocBook in general Feb 27 22:44:39 <EvilBob> Leadership? Feb 27 22:44:43 * cdehaan has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:44:55 <jmbuser> jmbuser: I'm not an expert, but I'm a little familiar with the tags - po files are another story Feb 27 22:45:08 <jmbuser> EvilBob: Since you mentioned it... Feb 27 22:45:09 <EvilBob> Do we have enough here for quorum? Feb 27 22:45:30 <jmbuser> Let's see - roll call time again Feb 27 22:45:36 <jmbuser> John babich Feb 27 22:45:45 <EvilBob> couf glezos jmbuser BobJensen jsmith Feb 27 22:45:53 * cebbert (n=cebbert@nat/redhat/x-5f0c21f2d3bf45b4) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:45:58 <jsmith> Jared Smith Feb 27 22:46:00 <EvilBob> that should be 5 enough for a confirmation Feb 27 22:46:03 <EvilBob> Bob Jensen Feb 27 22:46:33 <EvilBob> did we lose glezos and couf Feb 27 22:46:49 <jmbuser> glezos: ping Feb 27 22:46:51 <glezos> EvilBob: I'm here Feb 27 22:46:57 <jmbuser> couf: ping Feb 27 22:47:00 <glezos> +1 for converting Feb 27 22:47:20 <couf> pong, wifi dropped a bit Feb 27 22:48:05 <jmbuser> It looks like a quorum... Feb 27 22:48:11 <EvilBob> I would like to motion for a vote confirming jmbuser as our new Vice Chair/Future leader Feb 27 22:48:21 * smooge (n=smooge(a)canopus.unm.edu) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:48:57 <jsmith> I second the motion Feb 27 22:49:12 <couf> +1 Feb 27 22:49:41 <EvilBob> All those in favor of John Babich leading the prject in the future please respond with a +1 Feb 27 22:49:44 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr@fedora/JSchmitt) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 22:49:45 <EvilBob> +1 Feb 27 22:49:49 <couf> +1 Feb 27 22:49:52 <jmbuser> (abstains) Feb 27 22:49:55 <glezos> um Feb 27 22:50:01 <glezos> what does "in the future" mean? :) Feb 27 22:50:18 <EvilBob> glezos: 6 onths as vice chair, learning the ropes Feb 27 22:50:37 <EvilBob> glezos: then a 1 year term as chair Feb 27 22:50:52 <EvilBob> glezos: the last 6 months training the next chair Feb 27 22:51:09 <glezos> EvilBob: maybe we might want to have quaid and stickster around for such a vote? Feb 27 22:51:18 <jmbuser> I think it should clear that assumes continued involvement and re-election Feb 27 22:51:21 <EvilBob> glezos: they are in agreement Feb 27 22:51:33 <glezos> FWIW, I think it's great to have jmbuser for VC :) Feb 27 22:52:03 <jmbuser> If I really screw up, you can kick me out :-) Feb 27 22:52:04 <glezos> +1 then Feb 27 22:52:28 <EvilBob> jsmith: do you care to vote? Feb 27 22:52:45 <jsmith> Obviously, since I seconded the motion Feb 27 22:52:47 <jsmith> +1 Feb 27 22:52:54 * JSchmitt has quit (Client Quit) Feb 27 22:53:08 <EvilBob> we have the required 4 + votes to confirm Feb 27 22:53:20 <EvilBob> jmbuser: Congrats Feb 27 22:53:47 <glezos> jmbuser: I'm sure you'll do well, the work you've done so far is fantastic Feb 27 22:53:54 * jsmith pats jmbuser on the back Feb 27 22:54:07 <couf> congrats jmbuser Feb 27 22:54:31 <jmbuser> Thanks - I really appreciate the confidence you guys have in me - I hope to continue to live up to it Feb 27 22:54:54 <jmbuser> It's always a team effort Feb 27 22:55:02 <EvilBob> I have to bug out at this point, Mom is getting annoyed Feb 27 22:55:10 <jsmith> Thanks EvilBob Feb 27 22:55:26 <jmbuser> EvilBob: see you later, thanks Feb 27 22:57:29 <jmbuser> Referring back to the agenda, any more thoughts on Publican? Feb 27 22:57:55 <jsmith> I'm still happy to show people how to get started, but I'm still just scratching the surface Feb 27 22:58:05 <jsmith> I've done three or four different docs in it now Feb 27 22:58:16 <jsmith> and even figured out how to get PDFs out of it (mostly) Feb 27 22:58:24 <glezos> jmbuser: good job Feb 27 22:59:22 <jmbuser> glezos: thanks Feb 27 22:59:35 <jmbuser> jsmith: I saw you were quoted in the Red Hat Magazine article... Feb 27 23:00:32 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yeah... stickster has been dropping my name again, like I'm some sort of rock star Feb 27 23:00:37 * jsmith isn't all that and a bag of chips Feb 27 23:01:00 * dwmw2_gone is now known as dwmw2_BOS Feb 27 23:02:02 * buggbot has quit (Broken pipe) Feb 27 23:02:13 * buggbot (n=supybot(a)landfill.bugzilla.org) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 27 23:02:19 <jmbuser> glezos: How about Publican - Does it fit in well with Transiifex? Feb 27 23:03:00 <jmbuser> s / Transiifex / Transifex / Feb 27 23:03:02 * schlobinux_ (n=xavierb(a)AGrenoble-257-1-124-251.w90-27.abo.wanadoo.fr) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 27 23:04:56 <jmbuser> If nothing else, any other business before we close? Feb 27 23:05:26 <couf> not from me Feb 27 23:06:14 <jmbuser> OK, the countdown begins... Feb 27 23:06:18 <jmbuser> 10 Feb 27 23:06:39 <jmbuser> 9 Feb 27 23:06:41 <jmbuser> 8 Feb 27 23:06:46 <jmbuser> 7 Feb 27 23:06:51 <jmbuser> 6 Feb 27 23:06:57 <jmbuser> 5 Feb 27 23:07:01 <jmbuser> 4 Feb 27 23:07:05 <jmbuser> III Feb 27 23:07:08 <jmbuser> II Feb 27 23:07:33 <jmbuser> I Feb 27 23:07:47 <jsmith> 0 Feb 27 23:07:47 <jmbuser> </meeting>

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FDSCo Meeting - 2008-Feb-27 1900 hrs UTC
by John Babich 27 Feb '08

27 Feb '08

= FDSCo Meeting Reminder = The Fedora Documentation Steering Committe is holding its weekly IRC meeting today. As always, all members of the Fedora Project are welcome to participate. == Meeting Details == * Date: Wednesday, 27 February, 2008 * Time: 1900 Hrs UTC * Location: #fedora-meeting on freenode Meeting Agenda: See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings. Past Meeting Minutes: See http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings/Mi…. For more information and to discuss any of the agenda items, be sure to click on the links to read the threads on the fedora-docs-list at http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-docs-list. Best Regards, John Babich Member, Fedora Docs Steering Commitee

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sick and unable to make FDSCo meeting
by Karsten Wade 27 Feb '08

27 Feb '08

Been in bed with a gnarly flu all day, based on that I doubt I'll be in any shape to meet on IRC tomorrow. Can you all take over, run the meeting, and complete our Vice Chair stuff? I'll drop by if I'm awake and able. - Karsten "uggh" -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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Howto: Fedora updates without password
by Valent Turkovic 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

If you find this usefull please add it to the wiki http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/index.php/archives/fedora-updates-without… Cheers, Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241, Skype: valent.turkovic

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toolchain for F9
by Karsten Wade 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

While all this toolchain talk is in the air ... We've got several major activities going on that are relying upon our current-and-working toolchain: * Release notes need to build properly by 16 March[1] * Updates to existing guides (IG, SMG) by mid-March[2] * New guides going into Beta in March (DUG, AG) Beyond being confident the guides can build cleanly, which Jared has demonstrated in the one case, we need to know that they can match whatever MUST list we put together. Some SHOULD items are OK, too. For starters: * Must be possible to go from Wiki to usable XML with similar process/hassle as current pathway * Must be able to pull book from CVS and build in Fedora 8 and Fedora 9 tests (Alpha, Beta, RC, Sulphur) - follows the tradition of not requiring docs tools to work for Fedora N-1 * Should be able to build in Fedora 7 * Must produce PO files that are line-for-line identical to the one produced in the last version - this is to minimize re-translation or having to re-check already translated strings on content that is already translated (IG, Relnotes) * Must process PO and POT so as to not put a burden on translation and Transifex (line-for-line identical or close enough) * Must be usable by Release Engineering in composing the build * Must be hostable by Fedora Infrastructure for Docs, L10n, or RelEng build systems * Must have a reliable upstream, should be relied upon for at least 12 months * Must have a packager who affirms to maintain the package, should be affirmed for at least 12 months * Should build RPMs that match the RPM capability of /cvs/docs - need to list these out Anything else? - Karsten [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/Schedule [2] Jared has the SMG building in publican but we haven't run it against any kind of checklist for completion -- Karsten Wade, Developer Community Mgr. Dev Fu : http://developer.redhatmagazine.com Fedora : http://quaid.fedorapeople.org gpg key : AD0E0C41

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Publican question
by Jared Smith 25 Feb '08

25 Feb '08

I'm sure I'll have more questions later, but I figured I'd throw this one out here -- Is anyone else able to build PDFs using Publican? I've been playing with it all weekend, but I keep getting errors from FOP when I try to build PDFs. (This is after I tweaked /usr/share/publican/xsl/main-pdf.xsl to pull the import the stylesheets on the local system provided by the docbook-style-xsl package, instead of having it pull them from the internet every time. I'm on a very slow internet connection, and it was timing out while trying to download these files.) The error I"m getting is: SEVERE: javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: file:/tmp/test-article/tmp/en-US/xml/test-article.fo:1:28716: Error(1/28716): No element mapping definition found for (Namespace URI: "http://xml.apache.org/fop/extensions", Local Name: "destination") Feb 18, 2008 9:25:10 AM org.apache.fop.cli.Main startFOP SEVERE: Exception javax.xml.transform.TransformerException: org.apache.fop.apps.FOPException: file:/tmp/test-article/tmp/en-US/xml/test-article.fo:1:28716: Error(1/28716): No element mapping definition found for (Namespace URI: "http://xml.apache.org/fop/extensions", Local Name: "destination") at org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.transformTo(InputHandler.java:168) at org.apache.fop.cli.InputHandler.renderTo(InputHandler.java:115) at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.startFOP(Main.java:166) at org.apache.fop.cli.Main.main(Main.java:196) FWIW, I'm not running the very latest rawhide, but I've updated fop, xalan, xerces, xml-commons-*, xmlgraphics-*, and the whole IcedTea stack to the latest versions. I'm no Java or FOP guru by any stretch of the imagination, so I'm open to any or all suggestions at this point. -Jared

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FDSCo Meeting 2008-02-20 IRC log
by John Babich 20 Feb '08

20 Feb '08

Feb 20 21:58:26 <quaid> <meeting> Feb 20 21:58:37 <quaid> ... cuz someone had to pull the trigger :D Feb 20 21:59:06 <jmbuser> Hello, everyone - just a second as I pull up the agenda... Feb 20 21:59:10 <EvilBob> stickster (Paul Frields) is not able to join us today Feb 20 21:59:44 <EvilBob> quaid (Karsten Wade) is multitasking Feb 20 21:59:58 <EvilBob> I am Bob Jensen Feb 20 22:00:12 <jmbuser> John Babich Feb 20 22:00:21 <quaid> I am Fedora Feb 20 22:00:23 <couf> bpepple|lt: art Couvreur here Feb 20 22:00:24 <jsmith> Jared Smith (eating and typing at the same time) Feb 20 22:00:26 <quaid> uh, that is, Karsten Feb 20 22:00:34 <couf> ow that wasn't for you bpepple|lt Feb 20 22:00:42 <jsmith> quaid: You are Fedora and I can too? Feb 20 22:01:03 <quaid> kthx! Feb 20 22:01:18 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:01:50 <EvilBob> Southern_Gentlem is Ben Williams, he is one of my partners on the Install Guide Feb 20 22:02:00 * jmbuser is on a connection slightly better than dialup Feb 20 22:02:05 <Sparks> Eric Feb 20 22:02:27 <quaid> EvilBob: can you back up jmbuser to drive the meeting if jmbuser drops and I appear distracted? Feb 20 22:02:40 <EvilBob> quaid: always Feb 20 22:02:42 <quaid> jmbuser: I think the previous agenda should suffice Feb 20 22:03:00 <jmbuser> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DocsProject/SteeringCommittee/Meetings is the link Feb 20 22:03:14 <couf> wiki slowness Feb 20 22:03:49 <jmbuser> please ignore my lousy time and date link Feb 20 22:05:16 <EvilBob> One Summary update Feb 20 22:05:26 <EvilBob> Who has this task? Feb 20 22:05:31 * mbacovsk has quit (Connection timed out) Feb 20 22:05:52 <quaid> jonrob and I have been bouncing it a bit, i guess Feb 20 22:06:03 <EvilBob> quaid: any updates? Feb 20 22:06:08 <quaid> I think he and I got a good understanding last time, and may have consensus :) Feb 20 22:06:13 <quaid> the misunderstanding, for the record, Feb 20 22:06:26 <quaid> was that folks thought the Single Summary is intended Feb 20 22:06:29 <quaid> to be read from top to bottom Feb 20 22:06:41 <quaid> rather, instead, it is meant to be a source for other things that are themselves read alone Feb 20 22:07:14 <quaid> so we can have slightly duplicate information for different audiences, all in the one SingleSUmmary Feb 20 22:07:30 <EvilBob> Sure Feb 20 22:07:49 <quaid> otherwise, we'll have to do more work there as Beta approaches Feb 20 22:07:57 <quaid> we have that on the schedule? Feb 20 22:08:24 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:08:45 <EvilBob> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/9/Schedule Feb 20 22:09:34 <EvilBob> I do not see it on http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-9/f-9-docs-details.html Feb 20 22:09:37 * JSchmitt (n=s4504kr(a)p54B11803.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:11:06 <EvilBob> so we need to get that targeted and info sent to poelcat Feb 20 22:11:19 <EvilBob> next items Feb 20 22:11:35 <EvilBob> Update on active content work Feb 20 22:12:05 <jmbuser> Relnotes one sheet - anyone? Feb 20 22:12:15 <EvilBob> any of the active documents have an update Feb 20 22:12:19 * wolfy (n=lonewolf@fedora/wolfy) has left #fedora-meeting ("Be Naughty! Save Santa the trip.") Feb 20 22:12:43 <jmbuser> DUG has been quiet lately Feb 20 22:13:24 <jmbuser> I believe Crypto Guide had some activity recently Feb 20 22:13:42 <Sparks> A little Feb 20 22:14:27 <jmbuser> Sparks: Care to expand on that? Feb 20 22:14:36 <Sparks> I haven't had the time to spend on really putting the information together... Feb 20 22:14:51 <Sparks> but some of the information is out there it just needs to be pulled in... Feb 20 22:15:20 <Sparks> to the Crypto Guide. i don't know how indepth I really need to go for... Feb 20 22:15:40 <Sparks> the LUKS portion as it is fairly automated in F9. The procedure is... Feb 20 22:15:53 <Sparks> still there for users of F8. EOF Feb 20 22:16:14 <jmbuser> Sparks: Thanks Feb 20 22:16:22 * jmtaylor (n=jason(a)c-76-112-119-170.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:16:34 <EvilBob> I have a couple things for the IG, this week we will be looking things over to figure out our time line for poelcat Feb 20 22:16:59 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:17:23 <EvilBob> I need to get a couple F9Alpha installs done so I am up to speed Feb 20 22:17:29 <EvilBob> EOF Feb 20 22:17:39 <couf> AG is as DUG pretty silent the last time Feb 20 22:17:46 <jmbuser> EvilBob: And thanks to you Feb 20 22:17:49 <couf> need to get that back up to speed and do the conversion Feb 20 22:18:35 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:18:40 <jmbuser> couf: Is the AG pretty much complete? Feb 20 22:19:02 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:19:09 <quaid> can anyone work with poelcat to get our schedule updated? we have tarets that are not integrated, etc. Feb 20 22:19:24 <couf> honestly I haven't got time to look at it lately Feb 20 22:19:37 * kital has quit (Remote closed the connection) Feb 20 22:19:57 <jmbuser> Thanks, Couf - back to quaid's question Feb 20 22:20:04 <couf> so I'm feeling a slip coming, if we look at the original schedule Feb 20 22:20:20 <jmbuser> or not... Feb 20 22:20:53 <EvilBob> quaid: I will see if I can get with poelcat this weekend Feb 20 22:21:00 * sereinity (n=sereinit(a)ALyon-755-1-4-156.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:21:05 * Southern_Gentlem has quit ("In a world without walls, who needs Windows") Feb 20 22:21:09 * poelcat books flight to MN Feb 20 22:21:24 <quaid> yeah, it might all be there but it's not in one place or ratified Feb 20 22:21:33 <EvilBob> poelcat: do I need to call the butcher and clean the spare room? Feb 20 22:22:34 * Southern_Gentlem (n=notfred@unaffiliated/southerngentlem/x-2894754) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:22:37 <EvilBob> The wind chill was -45F this morning Feb 20 22:23:33 * kital (n=Joerg_Si@fedora/kital) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:23:45 <quaid> yeah, but at least it's not raining like in Portland! Feb 20 22:23:48 <EvilBob> Beats? Feb 20 22:23:55 <jmbuser> EvilBob: So you and poelcat will stave off the cold by revising the schedule? Feb 20 22:24:02 <quaid> beats are too quiet Feb 20 22:24:09 <EvilBob> how is the Release notes coming? Feb 20 22:24:14 <quaid> we need to push on all the sub-projects we know to start putting in their stuff Feb 20 22:24:29 <jmbuser> especially ConsoleKit/PolicyKit inclusion? Feb 20 22:24:40 <quaid> fortunately I think a lot of stuff is happening in the Features that usually happens in the Beats Feb 20 22:25:12 <jmbuser> true Feb 20 22:25:20 <EvilBob> quaid: is that going to be enough? Feb 20 22:26:45 <EvilBob> OK next Feb 20 22:27:02 <jmbuser> Meeting Time settled or need more discussion? Feb 20 22:27:05 <EvilBob> I know quaid will answer when he has a chance Feb 20 22:27:13 * couf probably going to disappear in a few, freenode server reboot Feb 20 22:27:17 <EvilBob> Meeting time Feb 20 22:27:25 <stickster> EvilBob: Installation Guide? Feb 20 22:27:28 <EvilBob> is this good for everyone? Feb 20 22:27:41 <EvilBob> stickster: yes? Feb 20 22:27:57 <EvilBob> stickster: I noted it above Feb 20 22:28:04 <stickster> Sorry, I looked back and missed it Feb 20 22:28:22 <EvilBob> stickster: It's OK Feb 20 22:28:59 <jmbuser> Concerning the meeting time - this works for me Feb 20 22:29:04 <quaid> EvilBob: probably not enough Feb 20 22:29:38 <EvilBob> the IG is going to take three phases, Update existing content, Return/rewrite older dropped content, add new features Feb 20 22:29:57 <EvilBob> at least that is what we see right now Feb 20 22:30:36 <EvilBob> quaid: OK I will look through and start bugging people, will CC the list when I do so via email Feb 20 22:31:22 * pingou has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Feb 20 22:31:24 <EvilBob> Meeting time is good Feb 20 22:31:33 <EvilBob> so Leadership! Feb 20 22:31:44 <jmbuser> Everyone agree on the meeting time? Feb 20 22:32:02 * pingou (n=Pingou@fedora/pingou) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:32:02 <jsmith> Uh... Feb 20 22:32:04 <EvilBob> I think we do agree on the meeting time Feb 20 22:32:10 <EvilBob> jsmith?? Feb 20 22:32:17 <EvilBob> you are the odd man out Feb 20 22:32:24 <jsmith> Making it Wednesday permanently? Feb 20 22:32:28 <EvilBob> jsmith: is this workable? Feb 20 22:32:36 <couf> fine for me Feb 20 22:32:42 <jsmith> Sure... and hour earlier would work better for me, but if this works best for everyone else, I'll make it work Feb 20 22:32:44 <EvilBob> jsmith: nothing is perenent Feb 20 22:32:46 <quaid> ok2me Feb 20 22:33:10 <EvilBob> permanent Feb 20 22:33:25 <jmbuser> jsmith: Thanks for the flexibility. Feb 20 22:33:25 <EvilBob> but "for now" Feb 20 22:33:28 <jsmith> OK, sounds good Feb 20 22:33:30 <jsmith> +1 Feb 20 22:33:36 <jmbuser> +1 Feb 20 22:33:40 <EvilBob> +1 Feb 20 22:33:51 <couf> +1 Feb 20 22:34:03 * dstarh (n=dstarh__(a)corp.ediets.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:34:06 <jsmith> And since stickster is away, I'll put in his vote as well ;-) Feb 20 22:34:06 <EvilBob> stickster is a +1 Feb 20 22:34:17 * dstarh (n=dstarh__(a)corp.ediets.com) has left #fedora-meeting ("Leaving") Feb 20 22:34:21 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster quaid VOTE Feb 20 22:34:26 <EvilBob> jsmith: back off, I am driving this train Feb 20 22:34:33 <EvilBob> LOL Feb 20 22:34:38 <quaid> 'sides I already voted :) Feb 20 22:34:41 <stickster> +1 Feb 20 22:34:50 <jmbuser> OK, so Time: 1900 Hrs UTC it is Feb 20 22:35:02 <jmbuser> Date: Wednesday Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid> in that I made the proposal! Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster> What was that issue again? Feb 20 22:35:03 <stickster> j/k Feb 20 22:35:03 <quaid> heh Feb 20 22:35:03 <EvilBob> We have all in Feb 20 22:35:04 <jsmith> It's anonymous! ;-) Feb 20 22:35:07 * DanseMakabre (i=pat(a)bobo.ds5.agh.edu.pl) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:35:10 <quaid> EvilBob: btw, I started an email to the list about vice chairs and all that jazz, but never got in completed :) Feb 20 22:35:11 <jsmith> Or magnanimous... or something... Feb 20 22:35:17 <quaid> but I did want to get that into the agenda Feb 20 22:35:45 <couf> so Leadership then? Feb 20 22:35:53 <jmbuser> quaid: So you did Feb 20 22:35:57 <EvilBob> Since FUDcon and before we have been talking about our leadership Feb 20 22:36:31 <EvilBob> it has been known that for some time now quaid has expressed interest in getting replaced Feb 20 22:36:54 <EvilBob> We were going to railroad stickster in to that job but he found another one Feb 20 22:37:25 <EvilBob> We have done a poor job of grooming leadership Feb 20 22:37:42 <EvilBob> we have focused on the few and left many behind Feb 20 22:37:57 <quaid> well, we've been focused on making a system to write content Feb 20 22:38:00 <quaid> and teach ppl how to do that Feb 20 22:38:09 <quaid> which has been pretty successful itself Feb 20 22:38:22 <EvilBob> What i suggested to quaid was a Vice Chair that is, a Chair in training Feb 20 22:39:00 <quaid> right, which forces the current Chair (me) to get whatever down in the wiki that is missing and to train the VC to do that in the future. Feb 20 22:39:14 <EvilBob> a 18month? term that would include 6months of learning the ropes and 6months of teaching the next one Feb 20 22:39:25 <quaid> also, a VC gives a chance to split up active leadership duties more, so more gets done Feb 20 22:40:10 <EvilBob> so with our next election we would be voting in a Vice Chair Feb 20 22:40:36 <EvilBob> this Vice chair becomes the big deal after 6 months Feb 20 22:40:37 <Sparks> ? Feb 20 22:40:47 * herlo (n=clints(a)166-70-63-209.ip.xmission.com) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:40:51 <couf> fair proposition Feb 20 22:40:53 <EvilBob> Sparks: Yes? Feb 20 22:41:00 <Sparks> When are elections and how is voting handled? Feb 20 22:41:33 <EvilBob> Sparks: FESCo picks it's leadership Feb 20 22:41:53 <EvilBob> Sparks: the group of 7 votes Feb 20 22:42:02 <Sparks> Ahhh... okay... Feb 20 22:42:25 <jmbuser> FAMSCo works the same way Feb 20 22:42:25 <EvilBob> Sparks: the membership picks FDSCo Feb 20 22:42:33 <EvilBob> FDSCo picks it;s leader Feb 20 22:42:57 <Sparks> That works. Thanks Feb 20 22:43:01 <EvilBob> NP Feb 20 22:43:37 <EvilBob> I would like to ask jmbuser if he is interested in becoming our next leader Feb 20 22:44:01 <EvilBob> or anyone else in FDSCo Feb 20 22:44:18 <EvilBob> was that to obvious? Feb 20 22:44:20 <EvilBob> lOL Feb 20 22:44:27 * Southern_Gentlem does a happy dance Feb 20 22:44:38 <jmbuser> Perhaps someone should propose and someone second the motion Feb 20 22:45:02 <quaid> to be clearer Feb 20 22:45:03 <EvilBob> Well we do not want to actually railroad anyone, are you willing? Feb 20 22:45:30 <jmbuser> If everybody else is OK with it, I'm willing Feb 20 22:46:05 <EvilBob> I would like to motion that we appoint jmbuser our Vice Chair Feb 20 22:46:28 <quaid> Bob and I have been discussing all this in asides, and also talking with John (jmbuser) Feb 20 22:46:41 <quaid> because he has been showing interest in leading more Feb 20 22:46:48 <quaid> but we haven't had asides with everyone here Feb 20 22:46:54 <EvilBob> right Feb 20 22:46:55 <quaid> so this is the first chance all of you are hearing about it Feb 20 22:47:03 <quaid> and we might want to give a few days to think about it all? Feb 20 22:47:07 <quaid> or not, which we can vote on Feb 20 22:47:25 <EvilBob> I would think that we would vote next week Feb 20 22:47:38 * petreu (n=peter@fedora/Standby) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:47:59 <EvilBob> did we lose the server couf is on? Feb 20 22:48:04 <jmbuser> That works for me Feb 20 22:48:07 <couf> not yet, sorry Feb 20 22:48:10 <EvilBob> OK Feb 20 22:48:11 <couf> was distracted Feb 20 22:48:36 <couf> jmbuser++ Feb 20 22:48:46 <EvilBob> OK we have a second Feb 20 22:49:07 <EvilBob> Do we want to vote this week or next? Feb 20 22:49:18 <EvilBob> I am fine with either Feb 20 22:50:09 <quaid> any objection Feb 20 22:50:12 <couf> yeah fine both ways too Feb 20 22:50:13 <quaid> to voting about it right now? Feb 20 22:50:16 <Southern_Gentlem> quaid, if you operate on roberts rule of order say next week Feb 20 22:50:22 <quaid> stickster, jsmith ? Feb 20 22:50:29 * bpepple|lt has quit ("Ex-Chat") Feb 20 22:50:33 <quaid> Southern_Gentlem: eh, we're pretty informal there :) Feb 20 22:50:49 <jsmith> quaid: I'm OK... Feb 20 22:50:54 <EvilBob> We are almost out of time, lets address it first thing next week Feb 20 22:50:59 <quaid> yeah Feb 20 22:51:02 <jmbuser> Agreed Feb 20 22:51:02 <quaid> we can then discuss it on list Feb 20 22:51:03 <jsmith> (Sorry, phone call) Feb 20 22:51:07 <quaid> make sure we aren't missing anything Feb 20 22:51:15 <EvilBob> that will let our people weigh in on the list also Feb 20 22:51:21 <quaid> I want people who are not in FDSCo to get the implication Feb 20 22:51:27 <quaid> that there is room to be a leader here, etc. Feb 20 22:51:31 <stickster> List is fine although I remember seeing this a while back in quaid's blog Feb 20 22:51:35 <couf> I'll try to get something from glezos this weekend on this Feb 20 22:51:36 <stickster> jmbuser++ by the way Feb 20 22:51:45 <quaid> stickster: oh is that where I wrote about it? :) Feb 20 22:51:47 <couf> seeing him this weekend (fosdem) Feb 20 22:51:53 <quaid> fosdem++ Feb 20 22:51:54 <stickster> I think you did Feb 20 22:52:02 <EvilBob> OK AOB? Feb 20 22:52:02 <stickster> it all kind of jams together after a while. Feb 20 22:52:10 <stickster> I write things down so I don't have to remember it. Feb 20 22:52:16 <stickster> I mean, HAHAHAHAHA Feb 20 22:52:17 <quaid> my only OB was to make sure we did a schedule update and sanity check Feb 20 22:52:31 <EvilBob> quaid: I added that to my list Feb 20 22:52:44 <jmbuser> Publican familiarity, any thoughts? Feb 20 22:53:07 <jmbuser> jsmith: Have you ironed out the issues you had? Feb 20 22:53:09 <EvilBob> quaid: I will touch on that with poelcat, you and stickster before the next meeting Feb 20 22:54:14 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yes, I've ironed them out Feb 20 22:54:31 <jmbuser> jsmith: impressions? Feb 20 22:54:41 <jsmith> I'd be happy to help people get up to speed with Publican Feb 20 22:54:44 <jsmith> jmbuser: I love it Feb 20 22:54:57 <jsmith> jmbuser: I wasn't very familiar with the old system, but publican is very nice Feb 20 22:55:02 <couf> EvilBob: add me to that list Feb 20 22:55:06 <jsmith> jmbuser: I'm sure we'll run into some snags (translations, etc.) Feb 20 22:55:15 <jsmith> jmbuser: But it's got a "two thumbs up" from me Feb 20 22:55:33 <EvilBob> couf: yup Feb 20 22:55:38 <couf> danke Feb 20 22:56:25 <jmbuser> jsmith: That's good to hear - the "old system" also works well and I think we need to stick to it for the F9 release Feb 20 22:56:30 <couf> motion to close? Feb 20 22:56:47 <EvilBob> seconded Feb 20 22:56:59 <jmbuser> Anything else - if not.. let's call it Feb 20 22:57:15 <jsmith> jmbuser: Yeah, I hear you there Feb 20 22:57:23 <jmbuser> 5 Feb 20 22:57:34 <jmbuser> 4 Feb 20 22:57:40 <jmbuser> 3.5 Feb 20 22:57:43 <jmbuser> 3 Feb 20 22:57:48 <stickster> eggs! Feb 20 22:57:51 <jsmith> 3.14? Feb 20 22:57:56 <jmbuser> 2 Feb 20 22:58:02 <jmbuser> 1 Feb 20 22:58:18 * GeroldKa (n=GeroldKa@fedora/geroldka) has joined #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:22 <jmbuser> It's end of meeting! Feb 20 22:58:41 * Sparks (n=sparks@fedora/Sparks) has left #fedora-meeting Feb 20 22:58:41 <stickster> </meeting>

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