infrastructure November 2006

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Simple python change
by Mike McGrath 13 Nov '06

13 Nov '06

Would anyone like to work on https://admin.fedoraproject.org/tickets/customer.pl?Action=CustomerTicketZo… let me know. -Mike

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Computer Swap
by Mike McGrath 12 Nov '06

12 Nov '06

Hey Stacy, if you still need two computers for the cluster can we give you proxy[3-4] and take back the two new dells? IIRC you just need the proxy servers first so they can be built correct? -MIke

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dist-git status
by Jesse Keating 10 Nov '06

10 Nov '06

So I've been playing a bit with git. Man its a bit rough and fugly to get used to, but whatever. I figured out how to loop through and setup the dist-git repo hierarchy much like dist-hg, however in the middle of the conversion (which is much slower than converting to hg...) I ran out of disk space. So... I either need more space on publictest1, or another xen instance to play in. Another xen instance might be better to separate dist-hg from dist-git testing. Follow the fun here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/VersionControl/dist-git -- Jesse Keating Release Engineer: Fedora

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IRC Meeting Log - 11/09/2006
by Jeffrey Tadlock 09 Nov '06

09 Nov '06

The meeting notes for today's Infrastructure meeting on IRC have been posted to the Wiki: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Meetings/2006-11-09 Since I have a fairly complete history of our meetings in my IRC logs I will try to get the logs from other meetings in the past posted over the next few days. --Jeffrey

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Meeting Today
by Mike McGrath 09 Nov '06

09 Nov '06

Just a reminder, we have a meeting today at 20:00 UTC. Many people have changed time zones from day light savings. Look up the new time here: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=11&day=9&year=2006&h…

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Self-Introduction: George Saliba
by George Saliba 06 Nov '06

06 Nov '06

Hi everyone, I would like to introduce myself to all of you. I've been using GNU/Linux systems for about 6 years now and since last year Linux is my only operating system :) During the years I've tried many distros and I think my personal favorites are Fedora for the workstation and Debian for the server. I really like Fedora, its impressive how it is always cutting edge and at the same time so stable !!. Finally I've decided to start contributing something to this great community. I have good programming expirience in many areas...but unfortunalely not much time to contribute...but will gladly contribute any spare time I can find :) . Some details about me: name: George Saliba occupation: Research and Development Engineer in a mainly electronics company. programming expirience: C, C++, Python, TCL, some Java, various scripting languages...and others I would like to contribute: Programming Looking forward to start contributing ! Best Regards to all, George ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Key fingerprint = 06E4 800A E1AA CB5E 95A6 95B1 95FB 9F9D 6507 FD87

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Introduction
by Jeff Dimond 05 Nov '06

05 Nov '06

All, I just wanted to introduce myself to the infrastructure/sysadmin team. My name is Jeff Dimond. I am 25 years old and currently employed with a government contractor as a sysadmin/software configuration manager. I maintain systems that support simulated close combat trainers / tank simulators / bradley simulators. I am currently taking care of redhat, fedora, aix, solaris, and windows systems, as well as tracking software versions, patches, and obsolescence issues. I look forward to assisting on some of the ongoing projects and meeting the other people here. Thanks, Jeff Dimond

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Fwd: Orphaning zope, plone, mpc and gmpc
by Mike McGrath 05 Nov '06

05 Nov '06

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Aurelien Bompard <gauret(a)free.fr> Date: Nov 5, 2006 12:29 PM Subject: Orphaning zope, plone, mpc and gmpc To: fedora-extras-list(a)redhat.com Hi .*, I'm orphaning 4 packages. The first two will probably find a new home quickly : zope and plone. I don't use them anymore, so I'm sure other people will be able to give them more love. I'm also orphaning mpc and gmpc, client applications for the Music Player Daemon. The mpd can't be in Extras because it ships mp3 decoding code, and has no plugin infrastructure to split it like the xine-lib package. I don't use mpd anymore, so I'm not interested in maintaining the client apps. Please step forward if you want to maintain any of these. Thanks Aurélien -- http://aurelien.bompard.org ~~~~ Jabber : abompard(a)jabber.fr "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." -- Rich Cook -- fedora-extras-list mailing list fedora-extras-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-extras-list

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Another welcome :D
by Mike McGrath 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

I'm sorry I haven't gotten back to all of you that have given self introductions, its been an incredibly busy time! Which is why I'm writing. I know a common concern is that its difficult to find things to do. So I thought I'd try something a little different. If you'd like to do something but don't know what, drop me an email and I'll try to assign some stuff to you. What is there to do? Tons, trust me. So send me or any one of the officers a request just stating that you want to help but don't know what to do, we'll give you something! -Mike

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IRC Meeting Log - 11/02/06
by Jeffrey Tadlock 02 Nov '06

02 Nov '06

The log from today's IRC Infrastructure meeting is attached. --Jeffrey 16:00 < jwatson> Current UTC: Thursday, November 2, 2006 at 21:00:57 16:01 < jwatson> we having a meeting today? 16:03 < warren> yes 16:03 < warren> anyone else here? 16:03 -!- c4chris [n=chris(a)5.251.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #fedora-admin 16:04 < warren> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Schedule Meeting Agenda is here. 16:04 < f13> I'm here. 16:04 < warren> iWolf mentioned that he has a conflicting meeting. 16:04 < warren> mmcgrath, dgilmore? 16:04 < warren> lmacken had school things to attend to. 16:04 < c4chris> I'm here (provided my ADSL modem behaves...) 16:04 < abadger1999> I'm here 16:04 < mmcgrath> yo 16:04 < mmcgrath> I think we're an hour late :D 16:05 < dgilmore> warren: im here 16:05 < warren> Are we? 16:05 < warren> oh 16:05 * mmcgrath makes mental note 16:05 < mmcgrath> day light savings. 16:05 < warren> I'm a little busy doing several things now, so I'd like to state a status update of Core + Extras merge first. 16:06 < mmcgrath> warren: have at it. 16:06 < warren> Red Hat has some political blockers to deal with to make it a reality. And we have a major meeting to figure out the Red Hat s ide of this story November 12th-15th with a few people flying in for this purpose. 16:06 < etc_> re 16:06 < warren> Meanwhile testing and improving f13's model mercurial based package VCS would be very helpful. 16:07 < warren> If we can prove that it is a great and working alternative that satisfies all needs before November 12th, then it would make it more likely that we can use it for Core + Extras merge. 16:07 < warren> Getting the packages merged into a single repository is the first step. We can integrate Package Database and other parts late r. 16:07 < warren> f13, where is the plague instance running? 16:07 < c4chris> warren, how do we test it? Is there a howto somewhere ? 16:08 -!- etcwrk [n=etc(a)jbourne3.mtroyal.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:08 < f13> warren: publictest1.fedora.redhat.com 16:08 < warren> f13, could you post about your mercurial + plague instance on fedora-infrastructure-list? 16:08 -!- etc_ is now known as etcwrk 16:08 < f13> I've got a generic user 'hgtest(a)fedoraproject.org' added in and certs ready for anybody who wants them. 16:08 < f13> warren: sure. 16:08 < warren> thanks. 16:08 < f13> I'd really like to take a breather day, and then start in on dist-git 16:08 < warren> Oh, you suspect it is worth comparing mercurial to git? 16:09 < f13> there are some very strong urges inside Red Hat to use git instead of HG, so I want to give it a try. 16:09 < f13> yes. 16:09 < warren> I was under the impression that mercurial had benefits in ACL control over git. 16:09 < warren> Worth comparing yes. 16:09 < f13> depends, I have to investigate. 16:09 < f13> I haven't setup the ACLs for mercurial either yet. 16:09 -!- mrclos [n=chatzill(a)216.68.73.132] has joined #fedora-admin 16:09 < warren> ACL's in mercurial would require a custom plugin. 16:09 < warren> but it is fairly straightforward and upstream mercurial is excited to help us. 16:09 < f13> warren: hrm, not from what I've seen. 16:09 < abadger1999> f13: Can you move your hg page under infrastructure? 16:10 < f13> I thought they had ACLs at a repo level 16:10 < f13> abadger1999: sure. 16:10 < abadger1999> (I'm watching for changes to Infrastructure/*) 16:10 < mmcgrath> hmm 16:10 < warren> f13, oh I see. With one repo per package/branch, we can use upstream's existing ACL support no problem. 16:10 < f13> yep. 16:10 < f13> warren: thats one of the advantages of my layout 16:10 < warren> f13, my earlier investigation was into having a repository with package/branch dirs, and that required custom ACL 16:10 < f13> that and isolated changesets. 16:10 < warren> Yeah 16:10 < warren> I like tihs. 16:10 < warren> this. 16:11 < f13> it wasn't too difficult to edit up Makefile.common or plague, only 4 files in plague I think (plus config file) 16:11 < warren> Any other questions or concerns regarding VCS? Otherwise we move on. 16:11 < mmcgrath> none here. 16:12 < warren> f13, we could improve both the Makefile and plague systems to more easily handle different VCS systems. 16:12 < warren> Livna's svn hacks could be abstracted in a similar way too. 16:12 < f13> warren: plague system yes, Makefile, I'm not so sure there is value in supporting multiple VCS systems. 16:12 < dgilmore> warren: thats one of the things i have been planing on adding to plague 16:12 < dgilmore> along with a few different things 16:12 < warren> f13, alrighty. 16:13 < f13> warren: I've talked to dcbw about making VCS something pluggable in plague, but its a bit more of a larger project. 16:13 < dgilmore> bbl 16:14 < mmcgrath> warren: you still MCing? 16:14 < warren> I could. 16:15 < mmcgrath> have at it ;-) 16:15 < warren> OK, next topic. 16:15 < warren> Package Database 16:15 < warren> hm... ok... next 16:15 < warren> Hm.. 16:15 < warren> mmcgrath, my heart isn't in this. I'm distracted by two other things. 16:16 < mmcgrath> hehe no problem. 16:16 < warren> mmcgrath, and it seems we don't have many people here. 16:16 < mmcgrath> Not too many, thats just a good excuse to go quick. 16:16 < mmcgrath> Ok, dglmore's gone for the package database. 16:16 < mmcgrath> iWolf: everything still on hold till we get the dell's back? 16:16 * mmcgrath remembers iWolf might be a bit late. 16:16 < mmcgrath> we'll assume on hold. 16:16 < mmcgrath> lmacken: ping? 16:17 < warren> mmcgrath, he said he's busy with school 16:17 < warren> I think 16:18 < f13> yeah, he's doing a school thing. 16:18 < f13> <lmacken> hey guys, I won't be able to make the meeting today. I have to meet with a lab group from 4-6. 16:18 < mmcgrath> ahh, got'cha. 16:19 < mmcgrath> ok, Xen's been going great. 16:19 < mmcgrath> (next item xen) 16:19 < mmcgrath> We haven't really talked about this but does anyone think we shouldn't go the Xen route? 16:19 < abadger1999> What if a xen server goes down? Are too many eggs in one basket? 16:20 < abadger1999> Or will we have the capacity to host those xen instances on our other xen servers? 16:20 < mmcgrath> its possible. but I think the alternative is not providing a service at all :D 16:20 < mmcgrath> we'll try to spread it out as best we can, especially with the app/proxy servers. 16:20 < mmcgrath> but, for example, CVS. I'm a fan of taking a xen box with only one xen guest on it. 16:21 < mmcgrath> that way we could move that Xen guest if need be. 16:21 < etcwrk> if xen can handle a shared FS you might be able to fail them over, I have no idea if it's that advanced yet though 16:21 < etcwrk> though of course you'd need something to host a shared FS for you too 16:21 < warren> If we show the success of Xen to provide services for Fedora, we could more easily make a case to buy a shared storage solution . 16:22 < warren> We currently however *SHOULD* be making backups, enabling us to recover from a xen host failure very rapidly. 16:22 < warren> Just create the guest elsewhere, restore from backups and proceed. 16:22 < etcwrk> also, what is there going to be for backup on those boxes? 16:22 < warren> In the past without Xen, we couldn't bring services back online rapidly in this manner. 16:22 < warren> Sadly, I'm not familiar with our backup mechanisms. How well are they documented? 16:22 < mmcgrath> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/BackupPC/ 16:23 < mmcgrath> it'll change as soon as we get that dell back. Change as in become more robust. 16:23 < warren> Anyhow, shared storage would be nice to have, but we can already bring services back online fairly quickly with Xen + backups. 16:23 < warren> Shared storage would enable us to bring guests back within SECONDS instead of an hour. 16:23 < mmcgrath> actually xen now supports live switchover :D provided a box doesn't completely die on its own. 16:24 * mmcgrath has never actaully done that though. 16:24 < warren> Shared storage would allow live switch-over, or bringing up that guest elsewhere rapidly after a complete host failure. 16:24 < mmcgrath> both actually :D 16:24 < warren> Pre-Xen: Days or weeks to get a service back. 16:24 < warren> Xen: hours to get a service back 16:24 < warren> Xen + Shared Storage: minutes or seconds 16:25 < mmcgrath> yeah. here's to keeping our fingers crossed. 16:25 < mmcgrath> dgilmore: back yet to talk about the legacy builders? 16:25 < mmcgrath> f13: how's that going? 16:27 < f13> meh 16:27 < f13> I haven't really put much effort into it yet 16:27 * f13 looks at lmacken for an update tool 16:27 < mmcgrath> yeah, you've been busy 16:27 < mmcgrath> So thats all the priority one stuff. 16:27 < mmcgrath> Just a heads up Kimo and paulobanon are looking into putting the wiki behind our proxies. 16:28 -!- etc_ [n=etc(a)jbourne3.mtroyal.ca] has joined #fedora-admin 16:28 < mmcgrath> They're also going to look into how much mod_cache vs squid cache would help performance. 16:28 < f13> awesome 16:28 < mmcgrath> That should be coming down the pipe fairly soon. 16:28 * etc_ catches up 16:29 < mmcgrath> I've been looking at skvidal's config management system. 16:29 < mmcgrath> I'm hoping to be able to get at least some of our configs in there to proof of concept it to everyone else. 16:29 < mmcgrath> I'll keep everyone informed on that. 16:30 < mmcgrath> I've given lyz a dump of our database minus the passwords for the new LDAP database. i think thats going well. 16:30 < mmcgrath> Thats really all I've got (based off of who is here) 16:30 < mmcgrath> anyone have anything else to say? 16:30 < abadger1999> Oh -- VCS question: Is there any reason we'd need symlinks or empty directories within the repository? 16:30 < lyz> mmcgrath, thanks for the dump 16:30 < mmcgrath> lyz: hey! 16:31 < mmcgrath> is that what you needed? 16:31 < abadger1999> I noticed mercurial doesn't do either of those but I can't think of any reason we'd need them. 16:31 < lyz> mmcgrath, haven't checked yet. I will check it tonight 16:31 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: hmm. 16:31 < mmcgrath> lyz: cool. 16:31 < warren> our Makefile system doesn't need symlinks 16:31 < warren> and if a directory contains at least a makefile, no problem =) 16:31 < mmcgrath> abadger1999: I can think of needs for that in the fedora infrastruture but not for general development. 16:31 < f13> abadger1999: the only thing I can think of for symlinks is the common repo 16:32 < warren> f13, for what? 16:32 < abadger1999> f13: As in symlinking to files in the common repo instead of including it in each package repo? 16:32 < f13> something sortof like that 16:32 < f13> with CVS common is a symlink I do believe to a top level common 16:33 < f13> with dist-hg, I just manually checkout the top level common and put it in package/ 16:33 < f13> so I don't think we need symlinks or emptydirs 16:33 < abadger1999> At the repo level or the working directory level? 16:33 < f13> at either level 16:33 -!- abompard [n=gauret(a)bne75-8-88-161-125-228.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #fedora-admin 16:34 < abadger1999> Err -- in reference to "with CVS common is a symlink I do believe to a top level common" 16:34 < abadger1999> It seems you've solved it for dist-hg. 16:35 < f13> I solved it yea 16:35 < abadger1999> How do you update common if the files change? 16:36 < f13> part of the make command is cd ../common; hg pull -u 16:36 -!- dbewley [n=dlbewley(a)tofu.lib.ucdavis.edu] has quit ["Leaving"] 16:36 < f13> (I think I remember doing that) 16:36 < abadger1999> k. 16:36 * iWolf back from work meeting 16:36 -!- p3n [n=p3n(a)dxb-as56546.alshamil.net.ae] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:36 < f13> I think the cvs version did the same thing, cd ../common; cvs up 16:37 -!- p3n [n=p3n(a)dxb-as56546.alshamil.net.ae] has joined #fedora-admin 16:38 -!- farshad_ [n=farshad(a)217.219.57.163] has joined #fedora-admin 16:38 -!- farshad_ [n=farshad(a)217.219.57.163] has quit [Client Quit] 16:38 -!- tibbs [n=tibbs@fedora/tibbs] has quit ["Konversation terminated!"] 16:38 -!- farshad_ [n=farshad(a)217.219.57.163] has joined #fedora-admin 16:38 < mmcgrath> Ok, does anyone have anything else? If not I'll close the meeting and we can continue discussing CVS? 16:40 -!- etcwrk [n=etc(a)jbourne3.mtroyal.ca] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:40 -!- etc_ is now known as etcwrk 16:40 < mmcgrath> ---- CLOSED --- :D

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