I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Along the same path, how about slicing contributors in to pools by FAS groups?
From here I reckon I've just started asking for a new tool, like previous tools discussed, and some of which may exist, and datanommer and ... halp?
Thanks - Karsten
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
Along the same path, how about slicing contributors in to pools by FAS groups?
That might be nice... see how and which groups are growing at what rate.
From here I reckon I've just started asking for a new tool, like previous tools discussed, and some of which may exist, and datanommer and ... halp?
Yeah, I can't think it would be too hard to dump out number of people in each group once a month or week or something.
Can anyone think of a reason that information should be private? I can't off hand.
Thanks - Karsten
kevin
On Wed, 2011-03-09 at 12:50 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
Along the same path, how about slicing contributors in to pools by FAS groups?
That might be nice... see how and which groups are growing at what rate.
From here I reckon I've just started asking for a new tool, like previous tools discussed, and some of which may exist, and datanommer and ... halp?
Yeah, I can't think it would be too hard to dump out number of people in each group once a month or week or something.
Can anyone think of a reason that information should be private? I can't off hand.
The sheer counts seem fine - provided no group membership data is dumped or other location-base information, I think it's probably fine.
there are a number of standard sort of queries that would probably benefit from running regularly.
-sv
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 14:20:18 -0600, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
Is there a way to just count accounts that have obtained a new certificate within the last 6 months (or whatever the time limit is)? That should work well for at least packagers and infrastructure types.
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Wed, Mar 09, 2011 at 14:20:18 -0600, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
Is there a way to just count accounts that have obtained a new certificate within the last 6 months (or whatever the time limit is)? That should work well for at least packagers and infrastructure types.
Possibly, but there you're talking about contributors, and even more then that pretty much only packager contributors.
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
-Mike _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 14:14, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
That is always a good question.
-Mike
In our case, to any of our services (blog, forums, email, chat).
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a
yokel
like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to
fedorapeople
and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note
is
this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We
should
fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
-Mike
infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Oliver R wrote:
In our case, to any of our services (blog, forums, email, chat).
How do you plan on tracking that? Also, what about groups that just use fas as trackers (like some sigs) that don't use our infrastructure for stuff. Secondary arch comes to mind.
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
-Mike _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
-- In every house there's a flag a venezuelan flag Because we protest and we die for what we think it's right because we march and we cry to make things alright.
My flag is not any flag With the black color of death we remember or thoughts... and never we'll surrender.
This is our war the civil ones the pacific one we're prepared to die for our right and no one will stop us.
Mike, I recently integrated to the community and I do not have clear how your infrastructure, platform and systems are configured. Looking at the discussion I thought I would share how we do it here. I see how it is easier for us since we have a centralized logging/autentification system for all our services.
I apologize for getting a head of my self and not research how is Fedora community systems are configured.
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Oliver R wrote:
In our case, to any of our services (blog, forums, email, chat).
How do you plan on tracking that? Also, what about groups that just use fas as trackers (like some sigs) that don't use our infrastructure for stuff. Secondary arch comes to mind.
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com
wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com
wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon
is
easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a
yokel
like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to
fedorapeople
and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd
note is
this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We
should
fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
-Mike
infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
-- In every house there's a flag a venezuelan flag Because we protest and we die for what we think it's right because we march and we cry to make things alright.
My flag is not any flag With the black color of death we remember or thoughts... and never we'll surrender.
This is our war the civil ones the pacific one we're prepared to die for our right and no one will stop us.
infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Oliver R wrote:
Mike, I recently integrated to the community and I do not have clear how your infrastructure, platform and systems are configured. Looking at the discussion I thought I would share how we do it here. I see how it is easier for us since we have a centralized logging/autentification system for all our services.
I apologize for getting a head of my self and not research how is Fedora community systems are configured.
You're not ahead of yourself at all, you've just outlined a an obvious fault in our current offering is all. The "how do you plan on tracking all that?" was a literal question :) How do we go about implementing all of this? I had looked at creating a "last seen" field in the db, then writing scripts that would parse logs and the like and 'touch' the account but that is a lot of work.
Anyone have any other ideas?
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Oliver R wrote:
> In our case, to any of our services (blog, forums, email, chat). >
How do you plan on tracking that? Also, what about groups that just use fas as trackers (like some sigs) that don't use our infrastructure for stuff. Secondary arch comes to mind.
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote: On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 13:20, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
I think it was the free BBQ sauce you were handing out with the cats.
I think our next task should be. If you have not logged in for 6 months, you are disabled. If you have been disabeld for 6 months you are expired. I think that would improve our numbers nicely. Of course we are going to have a nice cleanup soon with the CLA -> FIPA (or whatever it is called).
"logged in" to what?
-Mike _______________________________________________ infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
-- In every house there's a flag a venezuelan flag Because we protest and we die for what we think it's right because we march and we cry to make things alright.
My flag is not any flag With the black color of death we remember or thoughts... and never we'll surrender.
This is our war the civil ones the pacific one we're prepared to die for our right and no one will stop us.
infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
-- In every house there's a flag a venezuelan flag Because we protest and we die for what we think it's right because we march and we cry to make things alright.
My flag is not any flag With the black color of death we remember or thoughts... and never we'll surrender.
This is our war the civil ones the pacific one we're prepared to die for our right and no one will stop us.
I dont know if this helps, but... at Terra.com we offer free accounts of email. blog, etc... if a user spends 3 months inactive then the account goes to a 'cool down' state where its data remains there but is not public (in the blogs case) for one week after that week the account gets deleted.
Maybe we can implement that 'cool down' state for 3 weeks or so with weekly reminders or so before actually deactivating the account.
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Wed, 9 Mar 2011, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 8 Mar 2011 22:22:57 -0800 Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
I was looking at this nifty graphic:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics#Contributors
... noting that it hasn't been updated in a year.
:(
That looks like a base FAS dump of total accounts, which I reckon is easy enough to get. But can it be automated? Or made easy for a yokel like me to do it?
Is "active accounts" cla+1 ? or just anything with any account thats not marked inactive? cla+1 is easy to get by just going to fedorapeople and running a 'getent passwd | wc -l' I think.
This was just active accounts, not 'contributors'. One thing I'd note is this count isn't very accurate as we still aren't actively expiring accounts. This number cannot go down at the moment, only up. We should fix it, tricky to do without annoying everyone (IE: the reset your password fiasco.. you'd think I killed everyone's cat)
-Mike
infrastructure mailing list infrastructure@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/infrastructure
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Karsten Wade kwade@redhat.com wrote:
From here I reckon I've just started asking for a new tool, like previous tools discussed, and some of which may exist, and datanommer and ... halp?
I think you've just started down the path of defining specific queries that lend themselves to a clearer narrative when visualizing :) And probably datanommer is the path towards getting this done.
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