So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install above. There's still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
Question 2, Who is willing to take orders from me with regards to getting a new template done? (by orders I basically just mean do this, this is broken, this header didn't come out, we need a css fix here). Just something functional so it can be presented to the rest of the project and ultimately redesigned for a crisp look and feel?
Question 3, I did a brief look, there's a lot of stuff that's broken, mostly tables. Does anyone see anything that came out completely un-recognized? I'm especially referring to the translated pages.
This is a very rough conversion, but it did convert, most of the text is there, formatting needs work. I'm still working on the script so send any suggestions / comments my way.
-Mike
On Feb 8, 2008 11:33 AM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install above. There's still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
Question 2, Who is willing to take orders from me with regards to getting a new template done? (by orders I basically just mean do this, this is broken, this header didn't come out, we need a css fix here). Just something functional so it can be presented to the rest of the project and ultimately redesigned for a crisp look and feel?
Question 3, I did a brief look, there's a lot of stuff that's broken, mostly tables. Does anyone see anything that came out completely un-recognized? I'm especially referring to the translated pages.
This is a very rough conversion, but it did convert, most of the text is there, formatting needs work. I'm still working on the script so send any suggestions / comments my way.
-Mike
Here is my two cents for Moin vs MediaWiki. I don't mind migration to MediaWiki since I'm alread familar with it. However, MediaWiki requires MySQL database so it's a bit complex than Moin. I'm currently in the process of migration fedoranews.org to new server and encounting some issues with exporting and importing database. Anyway, that's my two cents. :)
Regards,
Mike McGrath said the following on 02/08/2008 11:33 AM Pacific Time:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install above. There's still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
YES!!!
Question 2, Who is willing to take orders from me with regards to getting a new template done? (by orders I basically just mean do this, this is broken, this header didn't come out, we need a css fix here). Just something functional so it can be presented to the rest of the project and ultimately redesigned for a crisp look and feel?
Question 3, I did a brief look, there's a lot of stuff that's broken, mostly tables. Does anyone see anything that came out completely un-recognized? I'm especially referring to the translated pages.
Is it possible to login? I tried with my existing wiki and FAS user/passwd, but it didn't work.
Trying to edit a page (w/o being able to login) gave me this error message:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No such section From FedoraProject Jump to: navigation, search
You tried to edit a section that doesn't exist. Since there is no section 3, there's no place to save your edit.
Return to Main Page. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, John Poelstra wrote:
Mike McGrath said the following on 02/08/2008 11:33 AM Pacific Time:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install above. There's still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
YES!!!
Question 2, Who is willing to take orders from me with regards to getting a new template done? (by orders I basically just mean do this, this is broken, this header didn't come out, we need a css fix here). Just something functional so it can be presented to the rest of the project and ultimately redesigned for a crisp look and feel?
Question 3, I did a brief look, there's a lot of stuff that's broken, mostly tables. Does anyone see anything that came out completely un-recognized? I'm especially referring to the translated pages.
Is it possible to login? I tried with my existing wiki and FAS user/passwd, but it didn't work.
Trying to edit a page (w/o being able to login) gave me this error message:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
-Mike
On Feb 8, 2008 3:55 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
+100 for mediawiki then :)
Another one that I really like that we use internally at work (not free as in speech or beer, though :( ) is Atlassian Confluence. They've done great work, but they're greedy :(
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 16:33 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 3:55 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
+100 for mediawiki then :)
Another one that I really like that we use internally at work (not free as in speech or beer, though :( ) is Atlassian Confluence. They've done great work, but they're greedy :(
Closed source software is, of course, a non-starter in fedora.
And my personal experience with confluence was that it does not scale well at all.
-sv
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 16:39 -0500, seth vidal wrote:
On Fri, 2008-02-08 at 16:33 -0500, Jon Stanley wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 3:55 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
+100 for mediawiki then :)
Another one that I really like that we use internally at work (not free as in speech or beer, though :( ) is Atlassian Confluence. They've done great work, but they're greedy :(
Closed source software is, of course, a non-starter in fedora.
And my personal experience with confluence was that it does not scale well at all.
-sv
and very resource hungry -- ramez hanna
On Feb 8, 2008 3:55 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
I have not used it, but moin does appear to have an option to use LDAP on the backend.
http://moinmo.in/HelpOnAuthentication/LDAP
If the a move to mediawiki is not agreed on or is determined to be too disruptive to the community in general, the above may be an option.
--Jeffrey
On Sun February 10 2008, Jeffrey Tadlock wrote:
On Feb 8, 2008 3:55 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
There are options here, right now no tie-in exists though I'd like to have no users in the wiki at all and make everyone use FAS. This is much more feasible with mediawiki then with moin.
I have not used it, but moin does appear to have an option to use LDAP on the backend.
http://moinmo.in/HelpOnAuthentication/LDAP
If the a move to mediawiki is not agreed on or is determined to be too disruptive to the community in general, the above may be an option.
Both wikis also support SSL client certificate authentication, which should be supported by FAS, because koji already uses it. This would also secure the wiki against attacks that target the moin authentication cookie, because then no cookie would be used.
Regards, Till
Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
Are the mediawiki access controls sufficient for our needs? iirc they are pretty limited compared to moin's, but I'm not sure to what extent we're using them.
On Tue, 12 Feb 2008, Mike McLean wrote:
Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
Are the mediawiki access controls sufficient for our needs? iirc they are pretty limited compared to moin's, but I'm not sure to what extent we're using them.
That is an area we will see a change. There is an acl framework I've got setup on the test wiki. Moins is more self-service then mediawiki's for sure. I'm trying to figure out how to make it more self service then it is but I think even at its current state it will suit our needs by making some pages read-only for people and making others non-public.
I guess it serves us right for doing such things to a "wiki".
-Mike
Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
My apologies ... I'm not tremendously familiar yet with mediawiki editing yet. Is similar Macro functionality available (e.g. Include())?
I recall quaid indicating this in the past, but export as docbook is available?
Thanks, James
On 2/12/08, James Laska jlaska@redhat.com wrote:
Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
My apologies ... I'm not tremendously familiar yet with mediawiki editing yet. Is similar Macro functionality available (e.g. Include())?
Yes:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Advanced_editing#Including_another_page....
It's also very easy to create your own plugins - I've done several small ones for an internal wiki.
I recall quaid indicating this in the past, but export as docbook is available?
From what I can tell the state of exporting docbook from MediaWiki
isn't very good. Perhaps that would make a good GSoC for someone. I don't know if we'd want to run two wikis, but what about using DocBookWiki for editing the docs?
http://doc-book.sourceforge.net/homepage/
Jeff
Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
From what I can tell the state of exporting docbook from MediaWiki isn't very good. Perhaps that would make a good GSoC for someone. I don't know if we'd want to run two wikis, but what about using DocBookWiki for editing the docs?
Will the Docs Project need the wiki for writing documentation if we will soon have the new Docs platform that DaMaestro is working on? If they still will, then there's one thing to take into account: Fedora already had a GSoC project which improved Moin's DocBook exporting support http://hg.moinmo.in/moin/1.6-docbook-mvirkkil/.
We haven't been very successful in getting our code into upstream and in this case they would want a maintainer for that code as well before merging it. Nobody has stepped up to do it, but still migrating to MediaWiki might cause us losing the work of one GSoC project and having to set up another doing basically a lot of the same work on a different platform.
(I'm not saying we absolutely shouldn't migrate to MediaWiki - and the decision isn't mine to make anyway - but I just wanted to mention this as it came up in the discussion.)
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install above. There's still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
For those that missed the meeting, this was discussed. It was determined that the infrastructure team wants to migrate. I'll be contacting all the individual teams to make sure they're fine with it, what features they'll want and we'll see about making it happen.
-Mike
On 2/15/08, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install
above. There's
still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if we decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
For those that missed the meeting, this was discussed. It was determined that the infrastructure team wants to migrate. I'll be contacting all the individual teams to make sure they're fine with it, what features they'll want and we'll see about making it happen.
-Mike
With the move to mediawiki, would we want to try and integrate a FAS2 authentication system? I know that mediawiki supports LDAP authentication with some extension. -Anand
I think this would be one of the objectives, yes.
2008/2/16 Anand Capur admin@arcnetworks.biz:
On 2/15/08, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 8 Feb 2008, Mike McGrath wrote:
So I spent some time last night and produced this:
https://publictest1.fedoraproject.org/wiki/index.php/FedoraMain
It's worth noting that the upgrade from Moin1.5.8 -> Moin 1.6.1 took longer then going from Moin 1.5.8 to the mediawiki install
above. There's
still some work to be done (especially a theme). But I think the conversion to mediawiki is much closer to us now then ever before if
we
decide to go this route.
So.
Question 1, do we want to try this conversion?
For those that missed the meeting, this was discussed. It was determined that the infrastructure team wants to migrate. I'll be contacting all the individual teams to make sure they're fine with it, what features they'll want and we'll see about making it happen.
-Mike
With the move to mediawiki, would we want to try and integrate a FAS2 authentication system? I know that mediawiki supports LDAP authentication with some extension. -Anand
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