What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Nick
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Nick Bebout nick@bebout.net wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen, guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Sorry but I'd put a -1 on this.
There was a discussion/proposal (via Trac) from mdomsch there and I know I put some reasons down. Heres a few though:
* Freenode already have an osuosl server iirc * Have we discussed this w/ our sponsors, they've been giving us space/bandwidth to do stuff that would benefit Fedora Project directly. * Freenode has had a lot of DDOS attacks recently, putting a sponsor under the potential for such strain is silly.
I'd also say that the Board should have some say on this.
-- Nigel Jones
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Nigel Jones wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Nick Bebout nick@bebout.net wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen, guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Sorry but I'd put a -1 on this.
There was a discussion/proposal (via Trac) from mdomsch there and I know I put some reasons down. Heres a few though:
- Freenode already have an osuosl server iirc
- Have we discussed this w/ our sponsors, they've been giving us
space/bandwidth to do stuff that would benefit Fedora Project directly.
- Freenode has had a lot of DDOS attacks recently, putting a sponsor
under the potential for such strain is silly.
I'd also say that the Board should have some say on this.
I think the good citizen thing to do for freenode would be to host a server. We do use them extensively, giving back is the right thing to do. But the above points do give me serious pause and are good points. What do other think?
-Mike
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Nigel Jones wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Nick Bebout nick@bebout.net wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen, guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Sorry but I'd put a -1 on this.
There was a discussion/proposal (via Trac) from mdomsch there and I know I put some reasons down. Heres a few though:
- Freenode already have an osuosl server iirc
- Have we discussed this w/ our sponsors, they've been giving us
space/bandwidth to do stuff that would benefit Fedora Project directly.
- Freenode has had a lot of DDOS attacks recently, putting a sponsor
under the potential for such strain is silly.
I'd also say that the Board should have some say on this.
I think the good citizen thing to do for freenode would be to host a server. We do use them extensively, giving back is the right thing to do. But the above points do give me serious pause and are good points. What do other think?
-Mike
So I think it would be good for us to support them, but not sure if giving them a server is the only thing (or even the best thing) we can do for them. Could we for instance see if CommArch would be interested in supporting them financially? The negative points are pretty weighty.
David
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:05 PM, David Nalley david@gnsa.us wrote:
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 4:58 PM, Mike McGrath mmcgrath@redhat.com wrote:
On Thu, 18 Mar 2010, Nigel Jones wrote:
On Thu, Mar 18, 2010 at 9:39 AM, Nick Bebout nick@bebout.net wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen, guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Sorry but I'd put a -1 on this.
There was a discussion/proposal (via Trac) from mdomsch there and I know I put some reasons down. Heres a few though:
- Freenode already have an osuosl server iirc
- Have we discussed this w/ our sponsors, they've been giving us
space/bandwidth to do stuff that would benefit Fedora Project directly.
- Freenode has had a lot of DDOS attacks recently, putting a sponsor
under the potential for such strain is silly.
I'd also say that the Board should have some say on this.
I think the good citizen thing to do for freenode would be to host a server. We do use them extensively, giving back is the right thing to do. But the above points do give me serious pause and are good points. What do other think?
-Mike
So I think it would be good for us to support them, but not sure if giving them a server is the only thing (or even the best thing) we can do for them. Could we for instance see if CommArch would be interested in supporting them financially? The negative points are pretty weighty.
I wonder if we could do a fund-raiser for them. While FreeNode is no way an efnet.. a xen root-escape would not be something I would put past some of its denizens. The other issues listed are also a bit of a deal. I wonder if we have enough spare hardware (as in old not getting renewed for support) to set them up a server somewhere with spares to fix up over time.
On 2010-03-17 03:58:42 PM, Mike McGrath wrote:
I think the good citizen thing to do for freenode would be to host a server. We do use them extensively, giving back is the right thing to do. But the above points do give me serious pause and are good points. What do other think?
I'd be -1 to this as well. The machine would pretty much be an exception to how everything else is managed, and like with the pastebin, spam and abuse are something I'd rather not have to deal with.
Nigel's point about sponsors intending for their donations to benefit Fedora is seems pretty big as well - it seems like they could be donating their servers directly instead (and some seem to do so already).
Thanks, Ricky
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Nick Bebout nick@bebout.net wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server?
Other than the usual reasons for not running an IRC server, the main thing that would bother me would be that the IRC server software wouldn't be managed by installing RPM packages since it seems that they compile & install the code directly. Perhaps we could help Freenode get their new IRC daemon packaged and get a number of the Freenode admins set up as packagers? That way when they needed to update the server code they could build a new package and pull the packages out of Koji if they needed to deploy the code quickly.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 03:59:12PM -0500, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
Other than the usual reasons for not running an IRC server, the main thing that would bother me would be that the IRC server software wouldn't be managed by installing RPM packages since it seems that they compile & install the code directly. Perhaps we could help Freenode get their new IRC daemon packaged and get a number of the Freenode admins set up as packagers? That way when they needed to update the server code they could build a new package and pull the packages out of Koji if they needed to deploy the code quickly.
I highly doubt Freenode has the staff time to put towards this. From what I can tell, it just doesn't fit the way they push out code changes. Either we'd have to make an exception of our RPM-only policies for the donated server or we wouldn't be able to host a mirror at all.
I kind of assumed that we'd make an exception if we'd be giving them root or an account not tied to FAS, after all.
On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 03:39:10PM -0500, Nick Bebout wrote:
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
thanks Nick for looking into this again. Indeed, part of the reason I want to help is that so much of Fedora's personal interaction, and Infra critical communication, happens on FreeNode. I don't know that providing an IRC server is the best way to help them out, but it seems like it could help.
I agree the DDOSs and spamfloods have been a problem. There's no way to avoid such malicious DDOSs except "not to play" - not running a service at all. But that's kind of self-defeating too. And I don't like having our communication channels be dependent on a third party that we have no real influence with.
I hadn't realized OSUOSL already had a node. That definitely would reduce my interest in hosting one there.
Given that our hosting is really via others (Red Hat, Telia, ...), maybe it's more appropriate to suggest that _they_ establish a relationship with FreeNode directly and host a node, rather than us doing it. We could help broker relationships if they don't already exist, and point out how FreeNode benefits us, so they see an addition to FreeNode as a continuation of their support of Fedora.
-- Matt Domsch Technology Strategist, Dell Office of the CTO linux.dell.com & www.dell.com/linux
On 18-03-2010 02:09, Nick Bebout wrote:
What is everyone's thoughts about us sponsoring a Freenode server? Their general requirements are noted on http://freenode.net/hosting_ircd.shtml and I've discussed them with mmcgrath and he has said they seem doable, probably on telia1 or osuosl1. Basically we'd be providing them a xen guest with about 1.5 or 2 GB ram, client servers should expect to sustain around 1Mbps of traffic, with much higher peaks. Total usage for client servers is usually around 320 gigabytes per month, while hidden hubs are generally much lower overall.
We'd be giving them at least a user account on it, they prefer sudo if possible. They handle the day-to-day administering of the ircd, either scp'ing new binaries or compiling the ircd on the server itself, and copying new config files to there.
I've talked to their sponsor liaison and they seem to be interested. Mike and I wanted to discuss it on here before I send the actual "proposal" email.
I think it would be a good idea, especially since we use them so much for our IRC channels, it'd be nice to contribute a server back to the network.
Nick
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Hi All,
We've applied to be a host about 20days ago, still awaiting updates from the FreeNode staff.
We hope to be able to host a Freenode server soon.
regards Ripunjay Bararia Honesty Net Solutions (I) Pvt Ltd Mumbai, INDIA.
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