============================================ #fedora-meeting: Infrastructure (2013-09-12) ============================================

Meeting started by nirik at 19:00:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2013-09-12/infrastructure.20... .

Meeting summary --------------- * welcome y'all (nirik, 19:00:01)

* New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks (nirik, 19:02:00)

* Applications status / discussion (nirik, 19:11:27) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055 (nirik, 19:20:28) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search (nirik, 19:20:34) * pkgdb2 work moving forward nicely (nirik, 19:26:24) * discussion about search engines again. (nirik, 19:26:32) * mobile search of docs and ask desired. (nirik, 19:26:47) * more badges improvements landing soon. (nirik, 19:29:38) * more easyfix tickets needed. (nirik, 19:29:51)

* Sysadmin status / discussion (nirik, 19:30:36) * work on aarch64 koji moving forward slowly (nirik, 19:30:52) * new bladecenter still not online. Hopefully someday. (nirik, 19:31:18) * will send info about another cloud we could use for our items to list (nirik, 19:41:44) * will mail about opening up coprs to wider use (nirik, 19:41:57)

* Upcoming Tasks/Items (nirik, 19:44:30) * LINK: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ (nirik, 19:44:31)

* Open Floor (nirik, 19:45:42)

Meeting ended at 19:51:05 UTC.

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People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (101) * pingou (40) * threebean (15) * anshprat (15) * echevemaster (13) * ianweller (11) * frankieonuonga (11) * lnovich (11) * smooge (7) * zodbot (6) * adimania (4) * puiterwijk (4) * abadger1999 (4) * oddshocks (4) * tflink (4) * mattjones (3) * dgilmore (2) * EvilBob (1) * relrod (1) * lmacken (0) * mdomsch (0) -- 19:00:01 <nirik> #startmeeting Infrastructure (2013-09-12) 19:00:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 12 19:00:01 2013 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:00:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 19:00:01 <nirik> #meetingname infrastructure 19:00:01 <nirik> #topic welcome y'all 19:00:01 <nirik> #chair smooge relrod nirik abadger1999 lmacken dgilmore mdomsch threebean pingou puiterwijk 19:00:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'infrastructure' 19:00:01 <zodbot> Current chairs: abadger1999 dgilmore lmacken mdomsch nirik pingou puiterwijk relrod smooge threebean 19:00:08 * threebean is here 19:00:15 <puiterwijk> .hellomynameis puiterwijk 19:00:16 <zodbot> puiterwijk: puiterwijk 'Patrick Uiterwijk' puiterwijk@gmail.com 19:00:21 * pingou here 19:00:24 * adimania is here 19:00:24 <ianweller> hi 19:00:32 * echevemaster here 19:00:39 <anshprat> hi 19:00:40 * lnovich here 19:01:04 <nirik> welcome everyone. 19:01:09 <smooge> .hellomynameis bob 19:01:11 <zodbot> smooge: bob 'Sylvain Baubeau' bob@glumol.com 19:01:27 <nirik> heh. no it's not. ;) 19:01:30 <frankieonuonga> hi guys 19:01:32 <dgilmore> hola 19:01:35 <EvilBob> Mine is... 19:01:36 <frankieonuonga> greetings from Kenya 19:02:00 <nirik> #topic New folks introductions and Apprentice tasks 19:02:02 * tflink is lurking 19:02:19 <nirik> any new folks want to introduce themselves? or apprentices/new folks with questions or comments? 19:02:22 <mattjones> hello everyone, my name is Matt. 19:02:40 <mattjones> I work in monioring by day and hack Icinga by and python bynight 19:02:41 <lnovich> hi everyone - I am Laura 19:02:53 * anshprat is a new introduction , waiting 19:03:17 <nirik> mattjones / lnovich / anshprat: welcome! :) 19:03:23 <threebean> :) 19:03:24 <adimania> finished a couple of tasks around tagger puppet module. Waiting for freeze to finish. 19:03:34 <echevemaster> ! 19:03:47 <nirik> echevemaster: feel free to chime in anytime... 19:03:53 * relrod checks in, but has to leave to take his mom to an appointment - will read meeting minutes later tonight. 19:04:04 <echevemaster> My name is echevemaster 19:04:27 <abadger1999> frankieonuonga: btw, I've seen you've been doing some work on copr :-) 19:04:30 <echevemaster> I want join to noc and apps team 19:04:44 <nirik> great. Welcome echevemaster too. ;) 19:04:56 <nirik> all new folks: if you haven't already seen it: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/GettingStarted 19:05:34 <echevemaster> yeah, thanks nirik 19:05:35 <nirik> question for new folks: are you more interested in sysadmin tasks or application development tasks? 19:05:45 <frankieonuonga> abadger1999: yes....can we kindly follow meeting..sorry to be so rude...I just dont want to piss guys off..I can discuss in later section or private chat. 19:06:26 * anshprat apps dev + tools . and can contribute to sysadmin as that's my day job :P 19:06:41 <abadger1999> frankieonuonga: No problems :-) 19:06:58 <echevemaster> of my part apps 19:07:12 <mattjones> I would like to help with monitoring or possibly releng 19:07:21 <echevemaster> but I can help in sysadmin task too, sure 19:07:29 <lnovich> nirik - as much as I would love to ... not a good idea for me - way too new in the sysadmin realm - I am on the docs team and was hoping to see how ready things are 19:08:04 <smooge> well we actually could use documentation help 19:08:36 <nirik> great. Some more info: anyone interested in http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure_Apprentice can see me in #fedora-admin after the meeting and we can get you started. For application devel we have http://fedoraproject.org/easyfix/ and #fedora-apps. 19:09:00 <nirik> lnovich: the publican3 stuff? 19:09:09 <lnovich> that too 19:09:13 <lnovich> and fedora docs 19:09:35 <lnovich> you know those nasty manuals that no one reads 19:09:46 <puiterwijk> (nirik, am a bit busy though, so if you need any info from me, just notice me) 19:10:31 <nirik> lnovich: manuals? who reads those. ;) In any case there is a specific docs team also that works up the content... we just run the infrastructure that serves those docs up. 19:10:39 <nirik> anyhow, welcome everyone. 19:10:48 <nirik> Do feel free to chime in with questions or comments anytime. 19:11:27 <nirik> #topic Applications status / discussion 19:11:38 <nirik> any applications news upcoming or this past week? 19:11:56 <nirik> I'll note that we have slipped for f20 alpha, so our infrastructure freeze will be going an extra week now. :( 19:11:56 <pingou> I managed to get quite a bit of work done on pkgdb2 19:12:06 <pingou> nirik: as in? 19:12:32 <lnovich> please tell me if this is OT, but i have been sitting on an idea for a new app that i wanted to know if it was warranted 19:12:50 <nirik> pingou: will now end 2013-09-25 19:12:59 <nirik> lnovich: fire away. :) 19:13:01 <threebean> lnovich: yeah :) 19:13:09 <pingou> nirik: ok, so we'll have 5 days to move nuancier-lite from stg to prod :/ 19:13:22 <pingou> I'd like to deploy nuancier-lite to stg some time next week 19:13:28 <puiterwijk> pingou: I think that when alpha slips, the rest also slips, not 19:13:30 <puiterwijk> ? 19:13:31 <nirik> pingou: we could also do a freeze break sooner if it's ready 19:13:36 <lnovich> ok here goes - I want an application that runs mobile that will search both the docs database and ask fedora 19:13:44 <pingou> well, stg first, we'll see then :) 19:13:59 <pingou> puiterwijk: not necessarily the release date, but the freeze for sure 19:14:06 <threebean> lnovich: interesting 19:14:09 <pingou> lnovich: nice 19:14:30 <threebean> lnovich: have you seen the start of http://fedoraproject.org/mobile yet? 19:14:33 <lnovich> i can spec and plan it but there is no way i can design or do it 19:14:33 <nirik> lnovich: not a bad idea at all. ;) we are working on a mobile app / a html5 app 19:15:02 <lnovich> something that has an intuitive search engine as well 19:15:03 <pingou> lnovich: you might want to talk to relrod at some poitn 19:15:06 <pingou> point* 19:15:15 <abadger1999> +1 freeze break 19:15:23 <pingou> but the search engine might be limiting factor 19:15:26 <frankieonuonga> Inovich: you have as and a great community..I am sure nirik can guide you on how to present you idea to the rest of us 19:15:27 * threebean notes that relrod said he had to leave but will be back on later 19:15:29 <nirik> searching is a kinda grim issue however. All options there are pretty horrible. the best one of the lot was dpsearch which we tried a while back, but it also ran into problems. 19:15:34 <lnovich> that can use the power of your fedora account and location to deliver material in your language as well 19:15:37 <pingou> nirik: what happen to the index we were running at some point? 19:15:58 <nirik> pingou: dpsearch. It got slower and slower and slower and croaked. 19:16:05 <pingou> ok ^ ^ 19:16:13 <nirik> we can try again with it, it might have been something we did wrong. 19:16:14 * ianweller jumps in 19:16:30 <frankieonuonga> nirik: I can have a look at this...I did a project on search and it was not hard. 19:16:42 <ianweller> i'm starting the datanommer time machine project so that people can get badges for all the junk they did in 2010. 19:16:45 <frankieonuonga> just needs time and patience . 19:16:47 <pingou> frankieonuonga: which indexer did you use then? 19:16:56 <pingou> ianweller: \ó/ 19:17:05 <ianweller> starting with git messages, which led to fixing the post-receive hook 19:17:10 <ianweller> that's all i got 19:17:14 <pingou> ianweller: do we have a "The good old junk" badge ? :) 19:17:18 <nirik> search is kinda hard if you want to do it in a open source way, as places like google don't release their secret sauce. ;) 19:17:58 <nirik> ianweller: cool. so thats scraping mails and such to generate fedmsgs to load into datanommer or? 19:18:02 <anshprat> how much data are we talking about for indexing? 19:18:07 <frankieonuonga> pingour: I can not recall..this was sometime back..like over 4 years...I think I will have to check 19:18:18 <ianweller> nirik: it will probably scrape the repos themselves 19:18:20 <pingou> frankieonuonga: ok :) 19:18:27 <ianweller> but actually, mails might provide me more info that i need 19:18:38 <ianweller> nirik: but, essentially, yes. 19:18:54 <tflink> there's actually quite a bit of stuff around solr/lucene that might work if we were ok with java 19:18:58 <nirik> ianweller: cool... and then possibly go back more years once thats set? 19:19:07 <frankieonuonga> nirik: the only thing with search is you never go to the records themselves unless you really need to..otherwise build a chache or metadata point. 19:19:09 * nirik is not at all ok with java personally. 19:19:14 <anshprat> sphyder was good for crawling and indexing + solr could be a good match 19:19:17 <tflink> sphinx is another option 19:19:27 <tflink> but that would be more work 19:19:39 <ianweller> nirik: i'm planning on going back to the beginning of time on all repos 19:19:43 <ianweller> and getting as much info as possible 19:19:44 * threebean notes that we have a xapian index already for https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages 19:20:11 <pingou> anshprat: solr is apache ie java iirc 19:20:25 <nirik> anyone interested in this topic please read: 19:20:28 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1055 19:20:34 <nirik> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/Search 19:20:42 <anshprat> pingou: nirik alright 19:20:48 <frankieonuonga> we optimize after building. 19:21:09 <pingou> nirik: wasn't another issue maintainance? (as in people not ressources) 19:21:24 <frankieonuonga> would be less hell for people on other releases moving to spec 19:22:08 <nirik> there's all the regular issues of us deploying any application we are going to support long term. 19:22:28 <nirik> is it maintainable. Does it have a GROUP of people maintaining it. Is is packaged, etc 19:22:57 <ianweller> can it be packaged if it's not 19:23:13 <nirik> I'd be ok with trying dpsearch again if folks are willing... if we want to switch to another thing we would need to reevaluate it to make sure it meets all our needs. 19:24:25 <anshprat> how much was the index size in the last attempt? 19:24:32 <nirik> I don't recall. 19:24:41 <anshprat> ok 19:25:29 <nirik> any other applications news? 19:25:40 <threebean> A new release of the badges app went out earlier in the week. 19:25:50 <threebean> everything seemed to go fine. No new features in it, just optimizations. 19:25:52 * oddshocks here really late, was in transit home until now 19:26:08 <pingou> threebean: but what optimizations! 19:26:09 <nirik> threebean: it loads very nice and fast now. ;) 19:26:17 <frankieonuonga> have toleave guyss...willl read min 19:26:24 <nirik> #info pkgdb2 work moving forward nicely 19:26:32 <nirik> #info discussion about search engines again. 19:26:47 <nirik> #info mobile search of docs and ask desired. 19:26:51 <oddshocks> Next release of Badges should have a nice user diff view which I wrote the other day 19:26:54 <nirik> take care frankieonuonga 19:27:02 <oddshocks> with stats and visual badge comparison 19:27:06 <anshprat> I will be doing a blog on how to earn some of the badges :P 19:27:07 <nirik> nice. 19:27:08 <threebean> oddshocks: and its really cool 19:27:47 <threebean> oh -- a thought, I need to train someone else how to do badge stuff (or write some SOPs). 19:27:52 <nirik> So, another thing I will toss out right now: 19:27:59 <pingou> see you frankieonuonga 19:28:07 <pingou> threebean: cool! 19:28:08 <threebean> every now and then someone complains that they should have a badge and they don't have it -- there is a script to manually award it, but no SOP. I'll add that. 19:28:15 <oddshocks> anshprat: nice! 19:28:15 <nirik> are there any easyfix items in any applications folks have been working on this week? can you file a few? we need more/better easyfixes. ;) 19:28:26 <nirik> threebean: excellent. yes. 19:28:27 * anshprat volunteers for badges 19:28:31 <threebean> the other thing is that fudcon cusco is coming up and we'll need to generate a qrcode for echevemaster, there's no SOP for that either. I'll make one. :) 19:28:31 <adimania> threebean, I can give it a shot if you want 19:29:06 <threebean> adimania, anshprat: cool, let's talk after the meeting. 19:29:13 <adimania> okay. 19:29:28 <anshprat> cool 19:29:38 <nirik> #info more badges improvements landing soon. 19:29:51 <nirik> #info more easyfix tickets needed. 19:30:08 <echevemaster> threebean: feel free to ask me help for anything 19:30:29 <nirik> ok, moving on then... 19:30:35 <threebean> echevemaster: will do :) 19:30:36 <nirik> #topic Sysadmin status / discussion 19:30:41 <nirik> on the sysadmin side... 19:30:52 <nirik> #info work on aarch64 koji moving forward slowly 19:31:05 <nirik> I commented some things for this to ansible repo, but still need to debug and run more. 19:31:18 <nirik> #info new bladecenter still not online. Hopefully someday. 19:31:30 <nirik> smooge: any items from your side? 19:31:38 <smooge> PPC 19:31:44 <dgilmore> im sorry 19:31:50 <nirik> smooge: hows that going? 19:32:03 <smooge> it is moving forward slowly 19:32:29 <smooge> we can see all the disks in the system now it is a matter of installing the AIX VIOS and then install builders 19:32:41 <nirik> I'm going to file some easyfix type tickets today on various small tasks... 19:33:52 <nirik> so, another item I wanted to bring up (which I will also mail the list on soon I guess): 19:34:45 * smooge waits for it 19:35:13 <pingou> suspens... 19:35:16 <nirik> There's some folks internally to rh running a large openstack cloud. They are willing to offer us a account on it to run whatever items we would like... 19:35:27 <pingou> oh cool 19:35:29 <nirik> the dashboard and api would only be available internally 19:35:53 <pingou> dashboard for the machines? 19:35:55 <nirik> but it would have ability for external ips to serve/access the instances 19:36:10 <nirik> dashboard for openstack. To run/terminate instances, etc. 19:36:13 <pingou> ok 19:36:23 <nirik> so we could manage things in it the same way we do with our cloud via ansible. 19:36:40 <nirik> Upside: they would maintain the hw and software. 19:37:00 <nirik> Downside: it would be out of our direct control. It would be restrictive some for non rh folks. 19:37:20 <nirik> so, not sure how or if we want to use this, but it's a very nice offer. 19:37:22 <pingou> could this be interesting for copr? 19:37:45 <nirik> we could run it there yeah... but it sounds like the plan for copr is to move into koji... 19:37:59 <nirik> dunno if we wanted to try and have a wider copr with the way it is now or not. 19:38:21 <pingou> I thought it was in a second stage 19:38:26 * pingou will read back the email 19:38:46 <nirik> yeah, not clear. I guess we should ask msuchy what he thinks... 19:39:00 <pingou> based on your feedback I decided to go with current code and integrate 19:39:02 <pingou> Koji as backend for Copr later. 19:39:19 <nirik> ok, so right now it's only accessable for a small group of people right? 19:39:25 <pingou> yes 19:39:32 <pingou> whitelisted in the config file iiuc 19:39:39 <nirik> do we want to widen that? or ? 19:39:45 <pingou> I think that's the idea 19:39:51 <pingou> make a first release of copr 19:39:55 <pingou> have people start to use it 19:40:01 <pingou> integrate it into koji later on 19:40:36 <nirik> yeah, so this cloud could be useful if our cloud turns out to be too small for copr needs. 19:40:54 <nirik> right now I don't think we have capacity problems, but would depend on how much uptake coprs gets 19:41:23 <pingou> +1 :) 19:41:32 <nirik> anyhow... 19:41:44 <nirik> #info will send info about another cloud we could use for our items to list 19:41:57 <nirik> #info will mail about opening up coprs to wider use 19:42:26 <nirik> ok, any other sysadmin type stuff? 19:42:44 <nirik> oh, there was a weird mm outage the other day... 19:43:27 <smooge> any idea on it? I couldn't figure it out myself 19:43:36 <nirik> me either. it was very odd. 19:43:49 <nirik> it freaked out, I put the old pkl file in place, the next one was fine. 19:44:00 <nirik> I can only think it was some strange bug in generation... 19:44:27 <nirik> so, we will see if it ever happens again 19:44:30 <nirik> #topic Upcoming Tasks/Items 19:44:31 <nirik> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/list/infrastructure/ 19:44:40 <nirik> I need to update the calendar for the slip... 19:44:53 <nirik> anything else anyone would like to schedule or note upcoming? 19:45:42 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 19:46:03 <anshprat> qq: what is the "mm" that you were just talking about? 19:46:03 <nirik> any items for open floor? questions? comments? suggestions? favorite books or movies? ;) 19:46:28 <nirik> anshprat: mirrormanager... it's the thing that gives our mirror lists to users when they use yum. ;) 19:46:36 <anshprat> oh ok :) 19:46:42 <nirik> sorry for the short hand... good question. ;) 19:47:10 <nirik> so, user runs yum, it queries mirrormanager for a list of mirrors... but it broke and was sending an error instead. ;( We aren't sure why. 19:47:21 * pingou thought it was mailman :/ 19:47:44 <echevemaster> one question, an entry in fedlocal can be catched for fedlocal for by example register a release party or ambassador events for give badges? 19:47:47 <abadger1999> yeah both have the same abbreviation 19:47:50 <echevemaster> threebean: ? 19:48:13 <nirik> fedlocal? 19:48:14 <pingou> echevemaster: fedocal isn't fedmsg ready (yet) 19:48:23 <nirik> oh, fedocal. 19:48:26 <echevemaster> ough 19:48:41 <echevemaster> fedocal 19:48:47 <echevemaster> sorry, typo 19:49:24 <nirik> no problem. 19:49:48 <nirik> ok, if nothing else will close out in a minute. 19:49:48 <anshprat> ( my present job uses skype heavily, have gotten so used to editing the typos in the msgs there!) 19:50:28 <nirik> :) 19:50:41 <anshprat> nirik: catch you in #fedora-admin for the infra-internship .. 19:51:01 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone -> #fedora-admin, #fedora-apps, #fedora-noc. ;) 19:51:05 <nirik> #endmeeting