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[Fedora Infrastructure] #1227: Hosting footer
by fedora-badges 05 Jan '10

05 Jan '10

#1227: Hosting footer -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- Reporter: mmcgrath | Owner: webmaster Type: enhancement | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 11 Component: Webmaster | Version: Production Severity: Normal | Keywords: -------------------------+-------------------------------------------------- This is something we've talked about many times but it's not quite implemented yet. I'd like to put footers at the bottom of our pages that reference a hosting provider. For an example see: http://us.pycon.org/2009/conference/schedule/event/21/ We can't build it directly into the templates because different places have different hosting. What I'd like to do is have our templates import a js script (or something). Then we can deploy a custom js script to each host that has the relevant information. If you're interested put a proof of concept together on your fedorapeople page. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1227> Fedora Infrastructure <http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure> Fedora Infrastructure Project for Bugs, feature requests and access to our source code.

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Meeting Log - 2009-07-31
by Ricky Zhou 31 Jul '09

31 Jul '09

17:00 < ricky> #startmeeting Fedora Websites 17:00 < onekopaka> k 17:00 < zodbot> Meeting started Fri Jul 31 17:00:05 2009 UTC. The chair is ricky. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00 < zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 17:00 < ricky> #topic Who's here? 17:00 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Who's here? (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 17:00 * nb 17:00 * stickster 17:00 * onekopaka 17:00 * ricky 17:00 -!- mizmo [n=duffy@nat/redhat/x-xjvducmcqyezityp] has quit "Sláinte Mhath!" 17:00 * hiemanshu is here 17:00 < ricky> ianweller_away, mchua, any-interested-advisory-board-people: ping 17:01 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: nb ? 17:01 < onekopaka> ricky: ianweller_away sent mail to the list saying he's gone. 17:01 < ricky> onekopaka: Oh, which list 17:01 < onekopaka> ricky: mizmo is also not here (hence her quiting the irc room) 17:01 < onekopaka> ricky: f-w-l 17:01 * hiemanshu dint get any 17:02 < ricky> All right then. 17:02 < ricky> #topic get-fedora redesign 17:02 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: get-fedora redesign (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 17:02 < ricky> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg00088.ht… <- stickster's email about that 17:02 * hiemanshu doesnt like what mizmo did to the mockup 17:02 < onekopaka> #link http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/fedoraproject.org/get.fp… 17:03 < ricky> So mizmo posted a unfinished mockup today - I think we should hold back the comments until it's actually done, since it could still be changing a lot as she works on it 17:03 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: that mockup in my idea is _BAD_ 17:03 < hiemanshu> ricky: where are the other options? x86_64 17:03 < stickster> Critiques of in-progress works can be helpful 17:03 < hiemanshu> mainly thats what we spoke of 17:03 < stickster> hiemanshu: Can you be a bit more specific please? 17:03 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: I know, I figured that you would say that. 17:04 < ricky> stickster: Well, I'm saying this based on what mizmo said last meeting about not wanting to post her unfinished mockup 17:04 < stickster> ricky: OK, understandable 17:04 < hiemanshu> stickster: the main reason we wanted a new look because we wanted people to be able to find pages easy 17:04 < stickster> I think the thing to remember about this design is that it's going to be in accordance with the requirements that are being developed on FAB 17:04 < ricky> So did everybody see the stickster's email? 17:05 < stickster> Board meeting notes from yesterday are also good reading 17:05 * onekopaka looks at taht now. 17:05 < hiemanshu> ricky: not really, will read it after the meeting 17:05 < onekopaka> that* 17:05 < stickster> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Board_meeting_2009-07-30 17:05 < ricky> Basically, there was some disagreement about the target audience requirements for the page in the past, which led to the page being messy with our attempts to please everybody 17:05 < onekopaka> links = pain when using irssi 17:05 -!- caillon [n=caillon(a)c-98-248-36-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #fedora-websites 17:06 < ricky> So the board has made the call of exactly who this page will be targetted at, so that there will be no question about those requirements 17:06 < stickster> There's a thread on FAB about this now, as a matter of fact. 17:06 < hiemanshu> ricky: is there a meeting log? 17:06 < ricky> Of course, how that gets implemented and for example, how the page targetted at people that know what they want is presented is still up to us 17:07 < ricky> hiemanshu: It wasn't an IRC meeting, so there's no log, but there are minutes posted on fedora-advisory-board 17:07 < onekopaka> ricky: a phone meeting? 17:07 < ricky> #link https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg00090.ht… board meeting minutes 17:07 < hiemanshu> ricky: hmmm, i wanted to read it out so i can have a proper idea what people really think 17:08 < ricky> hiemanshu: The summary of what a lot of people think is that the original design of the get-fedora page got derailed by trying to please everybody 17:08 * hiemanshu agrees 17:08 < onekopaka> especially with KDE. 17:08 < stickster> ricky: And in addition, we don't have a good enough presentation for the many custom spins that are done every cycle. 17:08 < ricky> For example the random inconsistent buttons on the left side that links to different arches/desktop environments 17:09 < ricky> Ah, yes - one big part that I left out is a redesign of spins.fedoraproject.org 17:09 < hiemanshu> ricky: a cleaner look like what other Distros have (Gentoo & Debian) would be better 17:09 < stickster> The Board wants two redesigns to happen. One will be a clear route to a single default spin that is the landing place for people who are new to Fedora or Linux in general. 17:09 < stickster> The second is a better showcase for all spins regardless of origin 17:09 < ricky> hiemanshu: Heh, I've looked at Debian's in the past, and unless they've changed, I don't want our download experience to be like that :-) 17:09 < onekopaka> DEBIAN!! 17:10 < ricky> So there's get-fedora and spins.fedoraproject.org 17:10 < onekopaka> debian's is bad. 17:10 < hiemanshu> ricky: well we shows the archs and show options like the get-fedora-all page 17:10 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: no it doesn't. 17:10 < ricky> The requirements for get-fedora are basically to be friendly to the types of people listed in stickster's email 17:10 < stickster> Design has to be informed by knowing whom a page is intended to serve. 17:10 < hiemanshu> ricky: well most people love it NEAT and CLEAN 17:10 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: http://www.debian.org/distrib/ 17:10 < stickster> By defining the audience it will be easier to produce an effective design. 17:11 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: says nothing about archs, KDE, Xfce, or anything like that. 17:11 < ricky> The requirement for spins.fedoraproject.org is that it targets people who basically knows what a spin is and why they'd want to use one - does that sound right, stickster? 17:11 < caillon> yes 17:11 < stickster> ricky: We still have to bring more detail to that, but yes, that's the general idea 17:11 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i mean by the ARCHs option, on the DVD FTP page 17:11 < ricky> Oh cool, thanks for making this, caillon 17:11 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: that's an FTP directory listing, which we have too. 17:12 < ricky> One interesting part of spins.fedoraproject.org is that we want to allow the spins creators to be able to modify descriptions, etc. of their own spin's pages (while sticking to the websites schedule of course) 17:12 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: havent seen it much 17:13 < ricky> So we'd like to have the spins.fp.o redesign ready for F12 17:13 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: you just go to download.fedoraproject.org.. 17:13 * hiemanshu will try a mockup 17:13 < ricky> It might not be 100% complete in terms of the process for spins creators to enter their info, but I'd like it to be complete from the user-facing side 17:14 < hiemanshu> ricky: for Spin creators i have an idea though 17:14 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: you said before that you can't do a mockup to save your life. 17:14 < stickster> ricky: I think we'd definitely be able to accommodate custom content even at the outset -- although it might be a more centralized process of getting that onto the page 17:14 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i said i cant, but i have been learning GIMP lately 17:14 < stickster> Later we might try for more decentralized administration 17:14 < ricky> stickster: Yeah, at worst, the process would be getting everybody into the web group and having them commit directly to fedora-web.git (while being aware of string freeze dates, etc.0 17:15 < stickster> ricky: Right. 17:15 < hiemanshu> ricky: but you can make custom gits as well 17:15 < ricky> For F12, this will probably be done as something in the style of what we have in the git repo 17:15 < hiemanshu> ricky: its might be a little messy but secure 17:16 < ricky> For F13 and beyond, we could look at whether something like zikula would fulfill our needs of being easy to edit/translate by spins creators better 17:16 < onekopaka> hmm. 17:16 < stickster> Anyway, I think the main points to understand from the Websites team perspective are: 1. The requirements will be developed openly by the Board on the FAB list. 2. The requirements will form the basis for the designs the Board will consider and approve. 3. We are sincerely trying for a F12 rollout if possible. 17:16 < stickster> and 17:17 < stickster> 4. The plan is that the Websites team will serve as the implementation point, as is the case currently. 17:17 < onekopaka> mmkay. 17:18 * hiemanshu is always ready to help 17:18 < ricky> stickster: implementation = design + HTML/CSS/etc. for fitting the goals set by the board, right? 17:18 < caillon> though the board has a set of general requirements already, and i think paul's post covers that as do the minutes. we're looking for questions from e.g. the websites team to help fill in the gaps 17:19 < ricky> OK, so just to get some tasks out there: 17:19 < hiemanshu> caillon: best way to contact he board? 17:19 < caillon> fedora-advisory-board@ 17:19 < stickster> The Board has specifically asked mizmo and ricky to lead, respectively, the visual design and the code generation/maintenance 17:19 < stickster> ricky: ^ Is that clear enough? 17:19 < ricky> #action subscribe to fedora-advisory-board and contribute to the discussion about the target audience of get-fedora and spins.fp.o 17:19 < ricky> stickster: Yup, thanks 17:20 < ricky> #link https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-advisory-board is the subscription page 17:20 < stickster> ricky: Thanks 17:21 * hiemanshu just subscribed 17:21 < ricky> The idea is for the discussions to take place for a week or two there, before stuff is finalized, and we can start looking at how well each mockup satisifies those goals 17:21 < ricky> So does anybody from the board/websites have any questions/comments on this? 17:22 < caillon> hiemanshu, also, worth noting is there is a public IRC board meeting next thursday, Q&A are welcome there 17:22 < onekopaka> #info Public IRC FAB meeting next thursday, Q&A welcome 17:22 < ricky> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Board/IRC 17:22 < hiemanshu> caillon: i am not here next thursday, have an operation on wednesday so i will not be able to make it 17:23 < ricky> hiemanshu: Good luck, hope you get will soon :-) 17:23 < hiemanshu> ricky: do we have many mockups ready for the board to choose or take one and polish it? 17:23 < ricky> **well 17:23 < hiemanshu> ricky: thank you :) 17:23 < ricky> hiemanshu: I know mizmo has some mockups for get-fedora and spins.fp.o that she might clean up to make sure they meet the new requirements 17:23 < ricky> Everybody's welcome to join in with the mockups of course 17:24 < hiemanshu> ricky: i could try one 17:24 < stickster> I'll find those spins mockups, hang on 17:24 * hiemanshu waits 17:25 < stickster> Well, these are older ones 17:25 < stickster> I think they were based on the idea of including a spin generator on the site. We are deliberately *not* including that in the scope of this redesign. It could be added later. 17:25 < hiemanshu> stickster: we could take THOSE and polish them to the new needs 17:26 < stickster> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Spins/Wireframe… 17:26 < stickster> http://fedorapeople.org/groups/designteam/Projects/Fedora%20Spins/Wireframe… 17:26 < stickster> I think those were in the originally designed group of mockups 17:27 * ricky likes the idea of a visual explanation of what a spin is :-) 17:27 * hiemanshu nods 17:27 < stickster> The first is more of a central site, a portal which is nicer than a big FTP list of .iso files 17:27 -!- caillon [n=caillon(a)c-98-248-36-51.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit Read error: 60 (Operation timed out) 17:27 * hiemanshu hates the Tracker idea though 17:27 < stickster> The second is a per-spin page, where each spin owner/SIG could describe how awesome its spin is. 17:27 < ricky> As a side note, there's a spin that already has its own page based on another design: http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ 17:28 < ricky> Anyway, just dumping a bunch of previous work out here that design people can hopefully draw some good ideas from :-) 17:28 < ricky> For example, one question is - how much space for information, etc. should be given to each spin? 17:29 < hiemanshu> ricky: could we have a web & design joint meeting? 17:29 < hiemanshu> Since they are both closely related and we would know more people who can help us 17:29 < ricky> Sure, although mizmo is the main design person that has been doing most of the web mockups :-) 17:29 < stickster> ricky: I think those details are well worth parsing out with the various designers. Details about how the visual design can best achieve the requirements. 17:29 < ricky> We can talk to them on IRC in #fedora-design any time though - not sure how many of the active people on the mailing list are on IRC though 17:30 < stickster> ricky: There are a couple options; one is to simply have discussions happen on the fedora-websites-list. In other words, Websites is the focal point for involved people bringing different skill sets in. 17:30 < hiemanshu> ricky: i said meeting for that reason, so people know about it and take the effort to attend in 17:31 < hiemanshu> it** 17:31 < ricky> stickster: That's kind of what I envisioned in the cross-team effort that I think websites is :-) 17:31 < stickster> ricky: I'm seeing that we're a half-hour in -- so if you have other business to cover don't feel like you have to hold this topic open for my and caillon's sake, although we're happy to stay as long as you require 17:31 < stickster> ricky: I was throwing you a bone there, see? 17:31 < ricky> Hehe :-) 17:32 < ricky> OK, so is everybody good on this then? 17:32 < hiemanshu> stickster: dont spoil the little boy :) 17:32 < hiemanshu> ricky: yup 17:32 < onekopaka> ricky: yep 17:32 < ricky> Cool 17:32 < ricky> #topic Tasks 17:32 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Tasks (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 17:32 < ricky> One tiny little update with my talk with docs 17:33 < ricky> I just recently found out about http://docs.fedoraproject.org/installation-quick-start-guide/ 17:33 < ricky> I think if that got translated into a lot of languages like the installation guide, it might be something better to point to from get-fedora 17:33 < ricky> #link http://docs.fedoraproject.org/installation-quick-start-guide/f11/en-US/html… 17:33 * nb would like to proceed to blogs asap.... i must be leaving soon 17:33 < ricky> That has Live CD install instructions (which is what we're pushing as the default way of installation) 17:34 < ricky> And screenshots, which I like :-) 17:34 < ricky> OK, nb - do you want to talk about blogs? 17:34 < hiemanshu> ricky: i heard a person complain about no live cd install guide 17:34 < nb> ricky, sure 17:34 * nb does not have a whole lot to report, we are deployed to production, FAS auth is working, thanks to sijis 17:34 < nb> we are working on making SSL work 17:35 < nb> the only easy solution I can think of is make value1/2 listen on port 443 for SSL 17:35 < hiemanshu> nb: pretty much same as last time we spoke? 17:35 < nb> and have the proxy connect to it using SSL 17:35 < ricky> And that's an idea that we're not crazy about in Infrastructure :-( 17:35 * onekopaka still doesn't know what to do about that HAproxy-side 17:35 < nb> it detects the connection is not ssl, and so it starts a redirect loop because it is trying to redirect to https://blogs 17:35 < nb> ricky, yeah 17:35 < ricky> My suggestion would be to talk to other wordpress sysadmins 17:36 < ricky> Either that, or dive into the code, and figure out how to fake wordpress-mu out 17:36 < ricky> Well, preferably the first one first, since they might have an answer to the second :-) 17:36 < hiemanshu> ricky: from being a wordpress admin for quite long, you cannot fake anything until it supports it 17:36 < onekopaka> I did submit something to Barry's WP contact page. 17:36 < nb> ricky, i will work on one or both of those ideas, i meant to last week but was otherwise occupied. I was elected last week as President of CAcert so I've been kind of busy 17:36 < nb> onekopaka, who's barry? 17:36 < ricky> Haha, congrats 17:37 < onekopaka> nb: "Systems Wrangler" for Automattic. 17:37 < nb> ricky, yeah, i wasn't even nominated for the board until the morning of our SGM (Special General Meeting) 17:37 < hiemanshu> nb: Congrats mate 17:37 < nb> someone mentioned why wasnt i on the list of candidates, i was like well, noone nominated me 17:37 < hiemanshu> nb: back to blogs please ;) 17:38 < ricky> OK, so apart from asking Barry, I guess we can see if there are any more sysadmin-types on their IRC chanenl 17:38 < ricky> **channel 17:38 < hiemanshu> ricky: #wordpressdev 17:38 < nb> hiemanshu, yeah true 17:38 < nb> ricky, and #wpmu 17:38 < hiemanshu> ricky: oops wrong link 17:39 < hiemanshu> nb: the channel closed down 17:39 < ricky> :-( 17:39 < ricky> I guess it's part of the merging with wordpress? 17:39 < nb> #wpmu is not closed 17:39 < nb> people are still there 17:39 < ricky> Oh 17:39 < onekopaka> #wordpressdev is? 17:39 < ricky> Oh, heh 17:40 < nb> oh ok 17:40 < hiemanshu> yup #wordpressdev 17:40 * hiemanshu remembers visiting it a couple of weeks back 17:41 < ricky> OK. If it's easier to do it with 100% https externally with http from haproxy though, I'm all for that too :-) 17:41 < hiemanshu> /msg alis list *channelname* (within the *) works to find a list of channels in FreeNode 17:41 < hiemanshu> ricky: i dont like the idea of faking it 17:41 < ricky> OK, so does anybody have anything else on blogs? 17:41 < onekopaka> nope. 17:41 < hiemanshu> you ll need to edit core files 17:42 < hiemanshu> which is what me mainly need 17:42 < onekopaka> except 17:42 < onekopaka> I have HAProxy on my server 17:42 < onekopaka> same version as in infra 17:42 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i said wordpress faking 17:42 < onekopaka> so we can test configs 17:42 < ricky> hiemanshu: The changes would be worth sending upstream though 17:42 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: I know. 17:43 < hiemanshu> ricky: most people dont fake it, they leave it in HTTP or get a proper server to use it with 17:43 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: so wordpress faking would require core file changes 17:43 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: I know. 17:43 < ricky> Yeah, but having one server with it exposed to the outside is not proper for us :-) 17:43 < hiemanshu> unless we can do it in another way 17:43 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: but I was going to say something. 17:43 < ricky> But anyway, if it involves modifying code, make sure the modifications are good, and work to get them included upstream 17:43 < hiemanshu> ricky: so FAKING is not we want, so rule that out 17:44 < ricky> It might be good to ask ahead of time so that you don't step on their toes with the merging into wordpress 17:44 < hiemanshu> ricky: why would people in wordpress include it? 17:44 < hiemanshu> they dont want people to use FAKE SSL 17:44 < ricky> Because it's a common setup to have a reverse proxy to an app server 17:44 < onekopaka> ricky: not this way. 17:45 < onekopaka> ricky: people will more likely use nginx, which is what wp.com uses. 17:45 < ricky> mmcgrath and the folks in #fedora-admin have years more sysadmin experience than I do, so they say it's common, I believe him :-) 17:45 < ricky> s/him/them 17:46 < ricky> Anyway, until then: 17:46 < onekopaka> http://barry.wordpress.com/2008/04/28/load-balancer-update/ 17:46 < ricky> #task Make a clear notice on http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/ that it's not 100% ready yet and warn people NOT to login without SSL 17:46 < onekopaka> they do have a proxy > app server infra. 17:46 < onekopaka> but it's not with HAproxy 17:47 < onekopaka> it's with nginx. 17:47 -!- Sonar_Guy [n=Who@fedora/sonarguy] has quit "Leaving" 17:47 < ricky> OK, but is proxy -> app http or https? 17:47 < onekopaka> ricky: I tried to ask, but I can't find out. 17:48 < hiemanshu> ricky: an httpd change would serve us better than a WPMU change 17:48 < onekopaka> ricky: and who knows? maybe nginx sends through the fact that it's ssl. 17:48 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: #nginx 17:48 * hiemanshu will be back in a few 17:49 < ricky> Well, we're sticking with haproxy for the near future, so it's probably better to concentrate on getting things to work with that 17:49 < onekopaka> back to what I tried to say 17:49 < onekopaka> I have HAProxy on my server so we can test configs without screwing up the infra ones. 17:50 < ricky> OK, then let us know if you have any luck with the setup we need. 17:50 < ricky> So does anybody else have anything else on blogs? 17:50 < onekopaka> I haven't had luck and that's the problem 17:50 < onekopaka> I don't know people who know all the options of HAProxy. 17:50 < ricky> Also, does anybody want to take that task real quick after the meeting? 17:51 < onekopaka> because the documentation doesn't help. 17:51 -!- susmit [n=susmit(a)59.93.242.198] has joined #fedora-websites 17:51 -!- susmit [n=susmit(a)59.93.242.198] has quit Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 17:51 < ricky> Oops, 17:51 < ricky> #action Make a clear notice on http://blogs.fedoraproject.org/wp/ that it's not 100% ready yet and warn people NOT to login without SSL 17:52 < ricky> onekopaka: Can you get that ^? 17:52 < onekopaka> I guess. 17:52 * hiemanshu is back 17:52 < ricky> Cool. 17:52 < hiemanshu> ricky: what task? 17:53 < ricky> Look a few lines up :-) 17:53 < hiemanshu> ricky: i see two taks 17:53 < hiemanshu> tasks* 17:53 < hiemanshu> 1)Proxy 2) the action stuff 17:53 * onekopaka is still upset that the theme totally screws the admin bar. 17:53 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: which theme? 17:54 < ricky> onekopaka: Feel free to work on fixes 17:54 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: the blogs.fp.o theme. 17:54 < onekopaka> it's really f'ing anoying 17:54 < onekopaka> annoying* 17:54 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i can help with that 17:54 < onekopaka> because there's no site admin link in the sidebar 17:55 < onekopaka> I have no idea how the admin bar got screwed up 17:55 < onekopaka> why it gets thrown in the FOOTER. 17:55 < nb> onekopaka, we can add a site admin link 17:55 < ricky> #action Fix the problem iwth the admin bar 17:55 < ricky> OK, we're near the 1 hour mark, so 17:55 < ricky> #topic Open floor 17:55 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: Open floor (Meeting topic: Fedora Websites) 17:55 < ricky> Anything else to discuss this meeting? 17:55 < onekopaka> and the admin bar is the cleanest way to get to various admin pages. 17:55 < hiemanshu> First off ricky thanks for making the right choice ;) 17:56 < ricky> Thanks to the board for their attention to the get-fedora thing - if there are any questions in the future about the target audience for those pages, we can just tell them to take it to the board :-) 17:57 * hiemanshu will make it a point to read the emails and know what the board wants 17:57 < onekopaka> so back to my local HAProxy story.. 17:57 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: yeah go on 17:57 < onekopaka> we need a couple servers that run SSL. 17:57 < onekopaka> I have one. 17:58 < onekopaka> (this is just for testing HAProxy config) 17:58 < ricky> You can always run two on different port 17:58 < ricky> **ports 17:58 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i can try ask my clients for a couple 17:58 < hiemanshu> asking** 17:58 < onekopaka> ricky: nope. I wouldn't do such a thing. 17:59 -!- sijis_afk is now known as sijis 17:59 < onekopaka> ricky: it was already a pain to get SSL working in the first place. 17:59 < onekopaka> so 17:59 < hiemanshu> sijis: too early for the next meeting ;) 17:59 < onekopaka> it just needs to have SSL, and be willing to be hit by my HAProxy instance 18:00 < onekopaka> my IP, incase you want to track, is 76.121.249.193 18:00 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i have a shared web server, not sure if that would work 18:00 < onekopaka> hiemanshu: does it have SSL accessible? 18:00 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: yup 18:00 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: i can give you the details if you want to have a look 18:01 < onekopaka> hmm 18:02 < onekopaka> so 18:02 < sijis> hiemanshu: :) 18:02 < onekopaka> I may be willing to open an account on my mac for you people to obtain access. 18:02 < onekopaka> maybe. 18:03 < onekopaka> so. 18:03 < hiemanshu> onekopaka: would love to ;) 18:03 < hiemanshu> sijis: read the logs, lots of stuff happening 18:04 < sijis> hiemanshu: yup.. will do. gotta fix my monitor resolution though.. i jackked it up :( 18:04 < hiemanshu> sijis: changed it 640x480 huh? 18:04 < hiemanshu> or 320x240? 18:04 < ricky> OK, we're a bit over the hour mark, so I'll end the meeting for now, and we can continue talking here 18:04 < ricky> #endmeeting 18:04 < onekopaka> anyone who would want access would have to send their public key my way. 18:04 -!- zodbot changed the topic of #fedora-websites to: The Fedora Websites team maintains the official Fedora Project websites (http://fedoraproject.org/) | Want to help us? Contact the respective leaders listed here : http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites#Projects | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Websites 18:04 < zodbot> Meeting ended Fri Jul 31 18:04:30 2009 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . 18:04 < zodbot> Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-31/fedora-websites… 18:04 < zodbot> Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-31/fedora-websites… 18:04 < zodbot> Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-31/fedora-websites…

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Websites Meeting Reminder
by Darren VanBuren 31 Jul '09

31 Jul '09

I'm reminding all of y'all that there's a Websites Meeting in about 10 hours (17:00 GMT). It'll be in #fedora-websites, and if ricky is going to be at the FESco meeting, I'm going to try to be the chair, so don't be rowdy. ;) Thanks, Darren L. VanBuren ===================== http://oks.verymad.net/

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Re: Redesign of downloads (Websites meeting reminder)
by Ricky Zhou 30 Jul '09

30 Jul '09

On 2009-07-30 01:51:40 PM, Paul W. Frields wrote: > One of the issues the Board has been discussing recently is the state > of our various download pages for Fedora. This topic springs directly > from the process of getting to the heart of Fedora's goals. Along the > way we've determined that one of the steps we can take is to improve > the clarity of how we present the Fedora distribution. The way many > people come into contact with that presentation is through our > download site, which needs to provide a first-rate experience for > everyone who uses it. This topic clearly falls into the Board's > domain, because it's to do not with the production of the Fedora > distribution, but rather with the way it's presented, and with the > design of one of the essential public-facing pieces of the project. > > A good, user-centric design must be simple and easy to follow, and > provide a route for all users to reach what they want. The most > effective route for new users of the website is usually very different > than for experienced ones, but all routes must be attractive and > effective for the people using them. The experience we currently > provide for both these groups on our download site is not terribly > attractive or effective, and needs revision. Thanks to some dedicated > community members, there was some work done to redesign these > experiences in the past, but for a variety of reasons those efforts > didn't fully succeed. The Board and I want to see them back on the > front burner, so that we are providing the best possible presentation > of the many faces of Fedora, whether that presentation is more of an > introduction to free software, or intended for experienced users. Hey, this would be great to discuss at tomorrow's websites meeting if any of you can make it - it'll be at 17:00 UTC in #fedora-websites on Freenode (unfortunately this is at the same time as the FESCo meeting). For those on fedora-websites-list, the full message that I mercilessly trimmed here is at https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2009-July/msg00088.ht… :-) Thanks, Ricky

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errors on fedora electronic lab page
by Simao Cardoso 30 Jul '09

30 Jul '09

hi, On http://chitlesh.fedorapeople.org/FEL/ section: Circuit and PCB Layout On Tools, the links have wrong names. Where is Alliance should be gerbv and where is gds2pov should be gEDA. I could say it's a joke but you simple copy from section above and forget to change the name. The urls are correct. Simao

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Websites + Marketing schedules: synced!
by Mel Chua 29 Jul '09

29 Jul '09

Websites and Marketing folks: just a heads-up so you know the stuff that the two groups will be working on together for this release cycle - Ricky and I just froze the milestone dates for things the two teams will be collaborating on (our version is at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule). Here are the relevant parts for y'all on what Marketing is going to deliver for Websites... Final release slogan is ready for websites/design 2009-09-17 Marketing creates this, influenced by the Design themes/wallpaper/etc. for the release. The slogan then (circularly?) affects the Design team's release button/banner for the website. Need to make sure this lines up with Design and Website's dates. This date is a start date; the end date needs to be set in conjunction with Design. All desired website changes taken to websites team 2009-09-15 The Websites team has a 09/29 feature freeze, so we need to make sure any features/changes we want (text, images, page restructuring, etc...) have been approved by them by that date. This means that two weeks prior, Marketing should know exactly what changes we'd like to see on the websites, that all those changes should be tickets filed in the Website team's Trac, and that each change should have a Marketing delegate working on it from within the Websites team. (For Marketing's reference...) Groups we (Marketing) have synced with: Websites, Design Groups left to sync with: Docs, Ambassadors, News ...that is all. Thanks for your time! --Mel

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Almost-finalized: Marketing F12 schedule
by Mel Chua 28 Jul '09

28 Jul '09

I've updated the F12 schedule according to the meeting (https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-marketing-list/2009-July/msg00140.ht…) that Paul, John, and myself had today. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_F12_schedule We've got some dates and such to coordinate with various teams (cc'd here) before Monday in order to make sure our calendars sync up. One of the things we'll be talking about at the Marketing meeting tomorrow (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_meetings) is how to make sure that each Marketing + OtherTeam coordination happens this week - some of these connections already have delegates, others have people who probably should be, others are wide open. The notes below are very, *very* much drafts, and only starting points! It's also entirely possible that I've put *too* much in the notes below (that figuring out something shouldn't be Marketing's job, or its focus). Patches welcome. --Mel ---- Design: We should make sure we get you a release slogan in time, and give fast enough feedback/final-slogan turnaround based on your designs that you can make release buttons/banners with time to spare. Also need to see what sort of work we need to coordinate in order to make spiffy Ambassadors kits. Docs: We should commit to those 1-page shiny release notes you wanted, and find other good points during the cycle to check in with each other. We also need to talk (possibly with News) on who'd like to do what portions of talking points and in-depth feature profiles. (How can we market our documentation as awesome, too?) Ambassadors: We need to schedule a briefing for you folks to happen once the talking points are ready - but most importantly, we need to learn how we can listen to you better so that we can make the things you actually want and *need* to spread the word on the ground. What can we do? Websites: We should talk - potentially with Design - about how we're going to coordinate various webpage redesigns and revisions, and how our respective roles complement each other. News: We also need to talk (possibly with Docs) on who'd like to do what portions of talking points and in-depth feature profiles. We should also figure out what's going on with News and Marketing and Fedora Insight, so we can schedule in coordination times with other teams if needed.

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Fedora website: unable to access pages
by Bhavin Joshi 25 Jul '09

25 Jul '09

Hello Fedora webmasters, When I try to access my wiki pages, I got following errors: Utf8Case.ser is missing, please run "make" in the serialized directory Backtrace: #0 /usr/share/mediawiki/languages/Language.php(1429): Language::getCaseMaps() #1 /usr/share/mediawiki/languages/Language.php(2574): Language->lc('???????????????...') #2 /usr/share/mediawiki/languages/Language.php(2532): Language->fixUpSettings() #3 /usr/share/mediawiki/languages/Language.php(1334): Language->load() #4 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/MessageCache.php(539): Language->getMessage('newarticletext') #5 [internal function]: MessageCache->get('newarticletext', true, false) #6 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/StubObject.php(58): call_user_func_array(Array, Array) #7 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/StubObject.php(76): StubObject->_call('get', Array) #8 [internal function]: StubObject->__call('get', Array) #9 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(583): StubObject->get('newarticletext', true, false) #10 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/GlobalFunctions.php(716): wfMsgGetKey('newarticletext', true, false, false) #11 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/OutputPage.php(1846): wfMsgExt('newarticletext', Array, Array) #12 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/EditPage.php(694): OutputPage->wrapWikiMsg('<div class="mw-...', 'newarticletext') #13 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/EditPage.php(422): EditPage->showIntro() #14 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/EditPage.php(346): EditPage->edit() #15 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Wiki.php(505): EditPage->submit() #16 /usr/share/mediawiki/includes/Wiki.php(63): MediaWiki->performAction(Object(OutputPage), Object(Article), Object(Title), Object(User), Object(WebRequest)) #17 /usr/share/mediawiki/index.php(114): MediaWiki->initialize(Object(Title), Object(Article), Object(OutputPage), Object(User), Object(WebRequest)) #18 {main} -- *Bhavin H. Joshi Portfolio <http://sites.google.com/site/bhavinhjoshi/portfolio> Developer's Network <http://drupaldeveloper.in>*

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It was "fun", bye bye.
by Mark 24 Jul '09

24 Jul '09

Hi, It all started a few __months__ ago when i visited Max Spevack with ideas on how to improve the fedora website(s). (fp.o and get.fp.o) Back then fedora 11 was in the ending stages and there wasn't a lot of time to do any new things (actually there was no time for that) so it had to wait till after fedora 11 was released. After that happened (f11 release) i joined fedora with the idea to improve there website. Here are the problems i encountered. - First FAS. I needed to agree on the CLA but the information requirements are roughly the same as when you order something on a web shop. They just don't ask a credit card number yet. - - So i disagree with the side effect that i can't go to the wiki. - I had mockups of fp.o and get.fp.o that only needed polishing and making them look right in the current fp.o theme. But it was requested (read demanded) that i collected feedback... - After a lot of talking i did collect feedback: http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt - Right now Mizmo is "making" mockups of that feedback and "some" other feedback but none of the feedback was discussed which she did require me to do! kinda odd don't you think. - I came here to do that website stuff. Mizmo now does it which is exactly NOT what i wanted - Also the person all my "work" ends up with is Mizmo. The person i just don't like is: the same one. That is going (and already has) to give conflicts! I could make this list a lot longer with a lot insults or harsh things to mizmo but i won't do that although in my opinion she does deserver it! So where do i stand now? well, it took months to get NOWHERE so i'm not going to spend more months to get even further in nowhere. The design team had the chance to get me in, get a decent designer and coder in but screwed up big time. Work is going extremely slow if going at all and when i say something (to mizmo) it always seems land the wrong way.. I've had it with this head design team member thus i won't attend any future website meetings. I've already had it for a long time how fedora operates (hints at nautilus spatial view) and i had hoped that i could in time make a difference in Fedora. Guess that's not going to happen and i don't mind that. So, how have those last few months been for me? well, not productive at all! Talking a LOT and doing extremely little seems to be the way mizmo likes it. I don't so it was just not funny for me. Other people might be able to "work" in conditions like that but i like to get out of it ASAP. One note to Mizmo: At the very first moment, and that was ~1 1/2 year ago with "Project Amber" when i first spoke to you. you where extremely bossy back then and wanted everything the way you deem right. I found that strange but just took it for granted. Now the last few months i still notice the exact same behaviour of you. I hate that kind of behaviour. Boss someone else around, not me! And learn how to take on sarcasm. It would be best to just quit being bossy at all. I feel like i've been very mild in this entire message. One last request: Delete my fas account please (markg85) and everything that has markg85 in it. For fas: Why is there now: "delete my account"? To the rest of the website team, Good luck. That was it from me. Greetings, Mark

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Meeting Log for July 24th, 2009
by Darren VanBuren 24 Jul '09

24 Jul '09

16:59:50 <hiemanshu> #startmeeting Websites Meeting 17:00:02 <nb> #topic Who's here 17:00:03 <hiemanshu> mizmo: mchua markg85 ping 17:00:11 * markg85 is here 17:00:12 <hiemanshu> #topic Who's here 17:00:12 <nb> oops, i forgot i'm not a chair 17:00:14 <onekopaka> nb: only chair can do that. 17:00:15 * nb 17:00:18 * onekopaka 17:00:21 * hiemanshu is ehre 17:00:25 <hiemanshu> here* 17:00:36 * sijis is here. 17:00:38 <nb> ricky is probably kind of here 17:00:39 * markg85 is here 17:00:45 * ricky is hereish 17:00:52 <hiemanshu> #topic blogs.fedoraproject.org 17:00:59 <onekopaka> yay blogs.fpo! 17:01:17 <onekopaka> so the thing is 17:01:22 <hiemanshu> First off big round of applause to sijis 17:01:33 * nb claps 17:01:40 * onekopaka claps louder than nb 17:01:43 <hiemanshu> nb: update 17:01:51 * sijis thanks everyone. :) 17:01:55 <nb> FAS auth is finished, basically everything is ready, I am working on spam plugin 17:01:58 <mizmo> hiemanshu: hi 17:02:01 <onekopaka> the thing is.. 17:02:03 <nb> i think we are pretty much ready to deploy 17:02:06 <markg85> don't know for wat but: claps ^_^ 17:02:07 <hiemanshu> hello mizmo 17:02:18 <nb> markg85, sijis got FAS auth working for blogs.fp.org 17:02:31 <nb> that's what we were blocking on 17:02:43 <nb> badbehavior caught our first spam today 17:02:45 * onekopaka suggests talking about the spam plugin 17:02:51 <markg85> nice! congrats to you 2 17:03:01 <nb> it will have to be activated by the blog owners, sitewide activation is not available until 2.7.1 of wpmu 17:03:03 <sijis> markg85: hi, nice to meet you. and thanks. 17:03:11 <onekopaka> nb: there you go. 17:03:19 <nb> ricky thinks this will be ok as long as we document how to do it clearly 17:03:22 <hiemanshu> nb: we cant update? 17:03:34 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: packaged version is 2.7 17:03:37 <hiemanshu> IIRC 2.8.1 is out as well 17:03:38 <nb> hiemanshu, not available in epel yet, we conceivably could package it for infrarepo 17:03:43 <nb> hiemanshu, of wpmu or of wp? 17:03:44 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: we can only use packages. 17:03:50 <hiemanshu> nb: WPMU 17:03:55 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: WPMU is not 2.8 yet. 17:04:01 <nb> onekopaka, hiemanshu we can make our own, but we would prefer to stick with the epel versions 17:04:02 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: sure is, check 17:04:06 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: WPMU 2.8 is the SVN version. 17:04:06 * nb thinks 17:04:09 <nb> thoughts about it? 17:04:25 <hiemanshu> nb: ask the maintainer to push the update 17:04:35 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: trust me, I run my WPMU out of svn 17:04:41 <nb> hiemanshu, update the ticket, it should be assigned to bretm 17:04:51 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: i installed it 17:04:52 <hiemanshu> The 2.8.2 version of WordPress MU is now available for download: 17:04:58 <hiemanshu> http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:04:59 <sijis> i'd stick with EPEL version. we could definitely help them where needed. 17:05:11 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: maintainer says there's a missing feature (which we don't know exactly the feature_ 17:05:14 <hiemanshu> nb: 2.8.2 is out and it requires no changes 17:05:20 <hiemanshu> to DB 17:05:27 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: sure it does. 17:05:27 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: i ll talk to him 17:05:28 <nb> sijis, bretm was delaying updating because apparently some change was made in 2.7.1 that he didnt like 17:05:44 <nb> can non-chair do action or is it only chair too? 17:05:47 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: you said 2.8 was not even out 17:05:51 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: it's not. 17:05:53 <hiemanshu> nb: non chair can 17:06:01 <nb> hiemanshu, you want to talk to bretm? 17:06:03 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: check here http://mu.wordpress.org/download/ 17:06:07 <hiemanshu> nb: yes i will 17:06:09 <nb> bugzilla works well with him, email not so much 17:06:16 <hiemanshu> .fas bretm 17:06:24 <nb> #action hiemanshu to file bugzilla ticket requesting bretm to update wordpress-mu 17:06:48 <hiemanshu> #agreed hiemanshu will ask bretm for update and nb will work on spam plugin 17:06:56 <hiemanshu> Who will work on the blog docs? 17:07:00 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: those should be seperate 17:07:02 <nb> hiemanshu, /me would strongly suggest bugzilla, he seems to respond to that but ive never gotten an answer to email 17:07:22 <hiemanshu> nb: sure i ll speak to him 17:07:33 <hiemanshu> anything else? 17:07:35 <onekopaka> #action onekopaka to document how to use WordPress MU for first-time users. 17:07:42 <nb> we may be deploying it pretty soon 17:07:57 <hiemanshu> next topic? 17:08:04 <nb> it would be nice to make any changes to the db after we deploy because i already gave ricky a db dump 17:08:14 <nb> although i could probably have him re-import the db 17:08:16 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: mmkay, you win. 17:08:23 <sijis> i got some minor changes to the authentication piece (cleaning stuff up mostly).. but it shouldn't break anything. 17:08:33 <ricky> Not 100% sure if the dump should be used without cleanup - it might contain test users and stuff 17:08:35 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: I had an out of date checkout 17:08:37 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: whats the latest? 17:08:38 <nb> ricky, it doesnt 17:08:41 <ricky> OK 17:08:47 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: 2.8.2 is in the svn repo 17:08:49 <nb> ricky, all it contains is the ones that have regular fas accounts under that username 17:08:51 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: :) 17:08:53 <sijis> i know the db has old user data in it. 17:08:59 <hiemanshu> sijis: has the change been tested? 17:09:06 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: "$wp_version = '2.8.2';" 17:09:09 <nb> sijis, i removed the ones taht do not correspond to production FAS accounts 17:09:19 <sijis> hiemanshu: i haven't uploaded the changes to test it yet. 17:09:25 * nb thinks it only contains admin, nb, onekopaka, ricky, nigelj 17:09:36 <sijis> nb: but the metadata table has some old account ID info in it 17:09:38 <ricky> It also contains password hashes which is kind of weird. unless it's the "" value. 17:09:39 * hiemanshu had his account deleted 17:09:47 <ricky> Ah well. 17:09:51 <nb> ricky, i can re-dump it anyway, if you prefer 17:09:56 <ricky> Nah, it's all good 17:09:58 <onekopaka> ricky: they're randomly generated. 17:10:12 <ricky> OK, that'll just be a difference from the current plugin which doesn't do the random stuff. 17:10:22 * nb has not really looked at the current plugin 17:10:25 <onekopaka> ricky: it doesn't do random stuff? 17:10:34 <ricky> Nop 17:10:35 <ricky> **Nope 17:10:38 <hiemanshu> nice 17:10:49 <nb> onekopaka, well, its kind of irrelevant what it stores in the database because the fas password is what it goes by 17:10:56 <onekopaka> nb: I know. 17:11:26 <hiemanshu> Anything else? 17:11:42 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: I think we're covered here... 17:11:51 <hiemanshu> ok then 17:11:53 <hiemanshu> #topic www.fp.o 17:11:57 <hiemanshu> markg85: update 17:12:09 <markg85> oke 17:12:30 <markg85> well that's only regarding the feedback 17:12:38 <markg85> same for get.fp.o 17:12:56 <hiemanshu> sijis: you know about these projects going on? 17:13:10 <markg85> i would like to discuss each point on the feedback and see what we is going to be implemented and what not 17:13:18 <hiemanshu> markg85: go ahead 17:13:29 <markg85> oke 17:14:18 <markg85> http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt all, open that link please 17:14:41 <mizmo> isn't this kind of discussion better suited for the mailing list? 17:14:42 <onekopaka> markg85: we tend to use .tiny =) 17:14:47 <onekopaka> .tiny http://fedora.mageprojects.com/fedora_feedback_anonymized.txt 17:14:55 <onekopaka> markg85: like that. 17:15:13 <onekopaka> mizmo: I think meetings are good for this.. 17:15:24 <markg85> mizmo, well, i asked that on the mailing list but no response per point 17:15:26 * hiemanshu nods 17:15:40 <markg85> there was some from you and mchua but not on everything 17:16:04 <hiemanshu> markg85: dont get into complete detail, all people dont have time 17:16:17 <mizmo> i kind of think the best way to move forward is simply to use the feedback in the mockups 17:16:19 <mizmo> which is in progress 17:16:44 <hiemanshu> mizmo: you working on the mockups? 17:16:53 <markg85> oke then there is probably nothing to discuss about it now right? 17:17:03 <onekopaka> markg85: a note that Fedora isn't based off RHEL, RHEL is downstream of Fedora. 17:17:33 <markg85> onekopaka, it's just the raw feedback, don't look at me if something is wrong there :P it's what the users said 17:17:36 <onekopaka> markg85: so tell that user that Fedora is upstream from RHEL. 17:17:47 <mizmo> hiemanshu: yeh ive been working on the get.fpo 17:17:53 * nb thinks RHEL 5 is somewhere around F6 17:17:57 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: users _would_ not care 17:18:00 <onekopaka> nb: yep. 17:18:04 <hiemanshu> mizmo: you want to get that topic out? 17:18:10 <markg85> mizmo, any images so far? 17:18:18 <mizmo> hiemanshu: as the consumer of the info, i just don't see the point 17:18:26 <mizmo> markg85: nothign to show yet, have a few inprogress mocks 17:18:34 <mizmo> been extremely busy lately 17:19:00 <markg85> ok 17:19:01 <hiemanshu> mizmo: there was on in mailing list complaining about not finding stuff 17:19:06 <hiemanshu> Anything else? 17:19:09 * sijis sorry.. had to step away 17:19:11 <markg85> next topic? 17:19:22 <hiemanshu> #topic F12 Web Tasks 17:19:25 * onekopaka notes that someone said fp.o needed a search engine 17:19:40 <hiemanshu> .tiny https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-websites-list/2009-July/msg00092.html 17:19:50 * nb notes that google site:fedoraproject.org WFM 17:20:03 <nb> well although we do have site:fedorahosted.org too 17:20:22 <onekopaka> .tiny http://poelstra.fedorapeople.org/schedules/f-12/f-12-web-tasks.html 17:20:58 <markg85> just on a side note.. what's up with those tiny url's in here. it seems pointless since the full url is just 1 line above... 17:21:10 <hiemanshu> So who is going to get down with the design team for the banners? 17:21:19 <mizmo> hiemanshu: im the design team lead :) 17:21:22 <mizmo> hiemanshu: not a worry 17:21:28 <hiemanshu> mizmo: nice i dint know :) 17:21:33 <onekopaka> markg85: just the tradition. 17:21:34 <mizmo> hiemanshu: it's on the design team schedule 17:21:44 <hiemanshu> mizmo: great :) 17:22:15 <nb> it is tradition? 17:22:36 * nb thinks our design team does a great job 17:22:38 <onekopaka> nb: mmcgrath does it for URLs in Infra meetings 17:22:44 * nb claps for mizmo and her team 17:22:47 <nb> onekopaka, oh ok 17:22:52 * onekopaka claps too. 17:22:56 * hiemanshu follows after onekopaka 17:23:04 <hiemanshu> Any takers for the other tasks? 17:23:07 * nb has not been able to make many infra meetings 17:23:23 <onekopaka> #action everyone to thank mizmo & the rest of the design team for being awesome 17:23:50 <markg85> anyway mizmo, did you find the feedback i gathered useful? 17:24:07 <hiemanshu> markg85: follow the topic :) 17:24:24 <hiemanshu> sijis was supposed to be here for this topic 17:24:31 <markg85> hiemanshu, we are still in the same topic ;) 17:24:42 <onekopaka> markg85: nope, this is F12 Web Tasks. 17:24:44 <hiemanshu> markg85: its been changed :P 17:24:53 <markg85> o lol there 17:25:16 <onekopaka> do we have more to say on this? topic? 17:25:17 <hiemanshu> Well anything else? 17:25:29 <onekopaka> this topic?* 17:25:41 <mizmo> ahh which topic are we talking about now 17:25:46 <mizmo> i looked over the web tasks list 17:25:52 <mizmo> and i couldnt think of anything missing 17:26:07 <hiemanshu> who usually writes the content? 17:26:30 <mizmo> marketing team comes up with the slogan 17:26:40 <onekopaka> ianweller: ping 17:26:44 <mizmo> and then i think we change the 'see the tour' link to go to the newest tour 17:26:47 <mizmo> which the marketing team also puts together 17:26:49 <sijis> hiemanshu: whoops. 17:26:52 <mizmo> so i guess marketing basically 17:27:00 <hiemanshu> mizmo: aahhh ok 17:27:06 <onekopaka> who should talk to them marketing people then? 17:27:08 <hiemanshu> sijis: you wanted to speak about this topic right 17:27:22 <mizmo> marketing's got the slogan on their schedule 17:27:25 <mizmo> not 100% sure if the tour is 17:27:36 <sijis> well.. i just wanted to konw if anyone reviewed it and who has what task. 17:27:39 <onekopaka> should we get the wiki czar *thunder* to talk to the marketing team then? 17:28:17 <hiemanshu> So lets decide who will co-ordinate what task 17:28:46 <hiemanshu> i think mizmo can co-ordinate the first 3 (Design related) 17:29:00 <onekopaka> ianweller seems to be a marketing person. 17:29:38 <onekopaka> now if we could find ianweller.. 17:29:56 <nb> ianweller, ping 17:29:59 <nb> .fasinfo ianweller 17:30:00 <onekopaka> oh he's probably at that one thing like mchua. 17:30:01 <hiemanshu> sijis: you want to take up any? 17:30:09 <nb> yep, ian is marketing 17:30:11 <onekopaka> nb: he's at that one thing. 17:30:18 <onekopaka> nb: in Raleigh 17:30:21 <nb> oh 17:30:26 <mizmo> he's at the airport right now 17:30:38 <nb> #info Ian Weller is at "that one thing(tm)" 17:30:40 <nb> lol 17:30:42 <sijis> hiemanshu: i wasn't sure what the POT stuff is. 17:30:53 <onekopaka> mizmo: heading back to Kansas? 17:30:59 <onekopaka> he's* 17:31:01 * nb has too much of a sense of humor today, lol 17:31:03 <hiemanshu> well onekopaka can help you with that 17:31:13 <hiemanshu> sijis: ^^ 17:31:29 <sijis> ok.. i'll work with onekopaka with that. 17:31:29 <mizmo> onekopaka: yeh, he's not in kansas anymore right now, but he will be again :) 17:31:29 <hiemanshu> anything else on the topic? 17:31:33 <nb> it's something about translations 17:31:37 <onekopaka> mizmo: ;) 17:32:01 <onekopaka> nb: template that has all the msgids 17:32:24 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: I think we're good on this terpic. 17:32:37 <hiemanshu> #topic User Gallery 17:32:41 <hiemanshu> Well this is my job 17:32:56 <hiemanshu> mizmo: i want you to be a little clear with what you have in mind 17:32:56 <onekopaka> sijis thinks it's a Facebook thing.. 17:33:08 <markg85> hiemanshu, anything to show ? 17:33:09 <sijis> :) 17:33:16 <mizmo> hiemanshu: the idea behind the user gallery is quite simple. take maybe 3 different fedora users, interview them, and have user testimonials. 17:33:28 <mizmo> hiemanshu: have a student talk about how they use fedora to do homework 17:33:32 <hiemanshu> markg85: working on it 17:33:35 <mizmo> hiemanshu: have a mom show how she uses fedora to work on photos 17:33:36 <markg85> :P 17:33:37 <mizmo> stuff like that 17:33:57 <hiemanshu> mizmo: what about people showing off their desktops and how they got those? 17:34:16 <mizmo> hiemanshu: a desktop screenshot doesn't really show what you can do with fedora 17:34:26 <mizmo> hiemanshu: i think it'd be cooler to show something like this.... (one sec while i grab link) 17:34:31 <hiemanshu> mizmo: something like a User showoff 17:35:07 <markg85> mizmo, what you want is a flickr like thing but for fedora? 17:35:27 <sijis> mizmo: its almost like..."Using Fedora in your daily life." 17:35:46 <mizmo> hiemanshu: something like this http://mairin.wordpress.com/2008/06/23/making-cool-stuff-using-foss-softwar… 17:36:00 <mizmo> hiemanshu: eg 'these are things that were produced using fedora' 17:36:15 <hiemanshu> mizmo: ahh i see now 17:36:24 * hiemanshu was a little unclear 17:36:36 <hiemanshu> mizmo: do you want it dynamic or static? 17:36:36 <mizmo> hiemanshu: show how it affects their real life 17:36:45 <hiemanshu> ricky wants it static though 17:36:49 <mizmo> hiemanshu: theres no reason it needs to be dynamic. better to start out static and expand if needed 17:37:07 <hiemanshu> great, and a form where people can fill and forward to us? 17:37:14 <mizmo> no i dont think that's a good idea 17:37:19 <mizmo> you're not going to get high-quality responses 17:37:25 <mizmo> you need to track good subjects down 17:37:28 <mizmo> and we dont need a lot 17:37:30 <mizmo> 3 should be find 17:37:32 <mizmo> s/find/fine 17:37:44 <mizmo> you could use some of my print work for an artist use case if you want 17:37:50 <mizmo> we have all sort sof banners tshirts etc we've done 17:37:56 <mizmo> and i can get you high quality photos of them 17:38:01 <mizmo> so then you only have two other cases left to cover 17:38:17 <hiemanshu> mizmo: well we can have more than two cases 17:38:22 <mizmo> jack aboutaboul visited NASA and took some notes on their usage of fedora 17:38:24 * hiemanshu includes one of a Web Developer 17:38:35 <mizmo> 3 total is probably all we need to start 17:38:40 <mizmo> NASA might be a really cool use case 17:38:44 <onekopaka> yeah 17:38:48 <hiemanshu> yes 17:38:52 <mizmo> hiemanshu: web developer sounds like a great idea too 17:38:59 <mizmo> hiemanshu: maybe find a web developer who uses fedora as his desktop 17:39:06 <hiemanshu> mizmo: me ? 17:39:25 * hiemanshu is a Web developer 17:39:27 <mizmo> hiemanshu: sure do you have a bunch of websites you could show off that you made with fedora? 17:39:34 <hiemanshu> mizmo: sure 17:39:43 * onekopaka tends to use his mac to devlop web apps 17:39:48 <mizmo> cool 17:39:50 <mizmo> so you got your cases 17:39:58 <mizmo> just need to do the research for them and get the screenshots etc you need 17:40:02 <onekopaka> once I get E to compile.... 17:40:07 <hiemanshu> Yes i ll do that 17:40:29 <hiemanshu> mizmo: mail me your case as well :) 17:40:45 <hiemanshu> Anyone else on the topic? 17:40:55 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: not from me. 17:41:27 <onekopaka> open floor time? 17:41:49 <hiemanshu> is mchua here? 17:42:04 <nb> hiemanshu, mchua is at thatonething 17:42:06 <nb> i think 17:42:10 <hiemanshu> ah ok 17:42:10 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: she was also at that one thing with Ian Weller. 17:42:20 <hiemanshu> then Open Floor 17:42:25 <hiemanshu> #topic Open Floor 17:42:26 * nb LOL @ all the mentions of "that one thing" 17:42:29 <mizmo> hiemanshu: im happy to answer any questions to help write the case 17:42:34 <mizmo> hiemanshu: but i do not have the bandwidth to write it myself 17:42:36 <onekopaka> nb: that one thing. 17:42:40 <mizmo> hiemanshu: the link i gave you should be a good start though 17:42:42 <markg85> oke, mizmo, now my question ^_^ 17:42:57 * nb has nothing for open floor 17:43:04 <onekopaka> nb: I hope you know what I mean by that one thing 17:43:05 <hiemanshu> mizmo: hmmmm, sure i ll do something and then probably i ll have some idea on what to write and ask you 17:43:09 <markg85> mizmo, did you use any of the feedback i gathered in those mockups in progress? 17:43:10 <onekopaka> POSSE, I think it is. 17:43:12 <nb> onekopaka, no i don't 17:43:25 <nb> ooh, i think i heard something about it on ian's blog 17:43:28 <nb> something with redhat 17:43:29 <mizmo> markg85: yes 17:43:29 <onekopaka> nb: it has something weird to do with edumacation. 17:43:34 <mizmo> hiemanshu: cool 17:43:37 <markg85> mizmo, like? 17:43:41 <onekopaka> nb: and Red Hat. 17:43:43 <hiemanshu> well nb what is that one thing? 17:43:52 <mizmo> markg85: i don't have the time to go into detail right now, sorry. you'll see in the mockups when they're ready. 17:43:59 <onekopaka> nb: and landfill.bugzilla.org 17:44:02 <markg85> probably a bigger download button ;) 17:44:09 <onekopaka> BIGGER DOWNLOAD BUTTON! 17:44:12 <markg85> mizmo, oke :( 17:44:18 <onekopaka> made in Scribus! 17:44:37 <markg85> mizmo, any ETA? 17:45:03 <hiemanshu> onekopaka: whats that one thing? 17:45:37 <nb> onekopaka, HAHA 17:45:37 <nb> https://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=116 17:45:47 <onekopaka> hiemanshu: it's a thing RHT did about using FOSS in edumacation 17:45:47 <hiemanshu> markg85: you working on any mockups? 17:46:03 <onekopaka> nb: complaintzilla FTW. 17:46:14 <mizmo> markg85: no 17:46:26 <markg85> hiemanshu, well i did (2 months ago!!) and those are online on my wiki page (markg85) 17:46:39 <onekopaka> nb: http://landfill.bugzilla.org/complaints/show_bug.cgi?id=1 =) 17:46:42 <mizmo> markg85: working on mockups for other things for the feature freeze next week so its been on the backburner 17:46:47 <mizmo> (eg anaconda, selinux) 17:47:14 <hiemanshu> sijis: you here? 17:47:20 <sijis> hiemanshu: yup 17:47:24 <nb> HAHA 17:47:30 * nb should stop cluttering the meeting logs 17:47:35 <hiemanshu> sijis: you have anything to speak ot ask? 17:47:39 <onekopaka> Red Hat really wants me to go to Red Hat Summit. 17:47:42 <hiemanshu> s//ot/or 17:48:03 <sijis> hiemanshu: not really. 17:48:28 <sijis> oh i do.. bringing back blogs. 17:48:29 <hiemanshu> anyone else on anything or shall i end the meeting? 17:48:36 <hiemanshu> sijis: go ahead 17:48:44 <onekopaka> blags.fp.o 17:48:59 <sijis> we are testing for the next couple of weeks, right? 17:49:13 <nb> sijis, i was planning on deploying it as soon as we get the spam plugin done 17:49:14 <sijis> or.. better yet, how long will we test for? 17:49:17 <hiemanshu> nb can answer that better 17:49:18 * onekopaka thought we were deploying soon... 17:49:24 <hiemanshu> ricky: ping 17:49:25 <sijis> nb: ok. 17:49:42 <nb> like <1 week id say, although i'll convert the pt15 one into blogs-test 17:49:51 <markg85> mizmo, i kinda have the idea that it's on a very low backburner.. i started this stuff exactly one day after fedora 11 got released and at the speed things go now it's probably not even done before fedora 12 or even 13.. 17:50:06 * onekopaka thinks we need value1.stg and value2.stg 17:50:06 <mizmo> markg85: you want to take on my to-do list? go ahead. i'll hear from you in 2044 17:50:13 <mizmo> markg85: seriously! 17:50:40 <nb> onekopaka, yeah, would be nice 17:50:40 <mizmo> markg85: this is one of maybe 40 projects i'm working on, no exaggeration. it won't take long, i just like to sleep and eat and spend time with my family too. i'll work it in. 17:50:42 <markg85> mizmo, you don't need to do it! i came here because i would like to give it a shot 17:50:50 <mizmo> if there's a specific time by which it needs to be in by, i can get it in by then 17:51:03 <mizmo> markg85: i would much rather prefer to do it, already have it half done 17:51:35 <mizmo> markg85: and if i understand correctly there is no rush on it as was brought up at last meeting 17:51:41 <mizmo> markg85: if the priority has changed that i can take that into account 17:52:16 <markg85> mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P 17:52:40 <nb> anyone have any thoughts about using badbehavior as a spam plugin for wpmu? 17:52:51 <nb> or about if we should stick with the packaged version of 2.7 or package our own version? 17:53:00 <onekopaka> package our own version! 17:53:16 <mizmo> markg85: you seriously need to calm down. 17:53:20 <mizmo> markg85: stop being so nasty to me. 17:53:34 <mizmo> markg85: you have quite a nerve to question my ability to get things done. 17:53:48 <mizmo> markg85: you can take this offline with me if you feel you need to press the issue. 17:53:48 <hiemanshu> mizmo: its ok, hes like that only :) 17:53:51 <onekopaka> people are questioning mizmo's ability to get things done? 17:54:00 <mizmo> onekopaka: "<markg85> mizmo, well.. a mockup before F12 would be nice :P" 17:54:16 <hiemanshu> mizmo: calm down and go back to your work 17:54:24 <mizmo> hiemanshu: i'm perfectly calm 17:54:33 <hiemanshu> I am closing the meeting within 30 secs if no one has anything to say 17:54:36 <markg85> ... you always take the things i say the wrong way 17:54:37 <mizmo> hiemanshu: i just dont understand why im getting attacked 17:54:37 <mizmo> please do 17:54:39 <onekopaka> we all can just CALM DOWN. 17:54:44 <hiemanshu> mizmo: ignore him, hes just like that 17:55:08 <hiemanshu> Ok here it goes 17:55:11 <hiemanshu> #endmeeting HTML format log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites… Agenda in HTML: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites… Agenda in plain ol' text: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-websites/2009-07-24/fedora-websites… Darren L. 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