Hello,
Given the recent interest in using ARMv7 processors in Linux netbooks and tablets, many of them (at the very least, Nokia's next tablet) reaching the market this year, I was wondering if Fedora ARM already works on these, and how well.
Considerations: - soft float. presumably this only affects the kernel and glibc - installation. given livecd-tools and liveusb-creator, this should be doable. Do we already have anaconda? - desktop. The default Fedora desktop probably does not scale down to a 7"-10" widescreen device. - Moblin. how much divergence is there between them and Fedora?
Thoughts? With GSoC opening up we could probably get some more resources into this.
Thanks,
Hi,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 4:51 PM, Michel Salim michel.sylvan@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
Given the recent interest in using ARMv7 processors in Linux netbooks and tablets, many of them (at the very least, Nokia's next tablet) reaching the market this year, I was wondering if Fedora ARM already works on these, and how well.
Considerations:
- soft float. presumably this only affects the kernel and glibc
- installation. given livecd-tools and liveusb-creator, this should be
doable. Do we already have anaconda?
- desktop. The default Fedora desktop probably does not scale down to
a 7"-10" widescreen device.
- Moblin. how much divergence is there between them and Fedora?
Thoughts? With GSoC opening up we could probably get some more resources into this.
I work and Nokia and am a Fedora user, if you have anything interesting I could try :)
We try to be as close as possible to linux-omap upstream, but there are still some missing pieces AFAIK.
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contreras@gmail.com wrote:
Considerations:
- soft float. presumably this only affects the kernel and glibc
- installation. given livecd-tools and liveusb-creator, this should be
doable. Do we already have anaconda?
- desktop. The default Fedora desktop probably does not scale down to
a 7"-10" widescreen device.
- Moblin. how much divergence is there between them and Fedora?
Thoughts? With GSoC opening up we could probably get some more resources into this.
I work and Nokia and am a Fedora user, if you have anything interesting I could try :)
We try to be as close as possible to linux-omap upstream, but there are still some missing pieces AFAIK.
I have a Nokia N810 at hand (OMAP2 / ARMv6); while it's not quite what Ubuntu and Nokia are targeting (9.04 and Maemo 5 targets ARMv7), it'll be interesting to see how well Fedora runs on it. I'd have to get a larger SDHC card, read up on how to boot the device from it (as far as I remember, not that troublesome), and work out what binary blobs are needed.
Having a real ARMv7 device would be much better, though. Does Nokia provide those to developers, and would they lend development boards (even remote access would be better than nothing) for non-Maemo use?
Regards,
Hello,
I have a Nokia N810 at hand (OMAP2 / ARMv6); while it's not quite what Ubuntu and Nokia are targeting (9.04 and Maemo 5 targets ARMv7), it'll be interesting to see how well Fedora runs on it. I'd have to get a larger SDHC card, read up on how to boot the device from it (as far as I remember, not that troublesome), and work out what binary blobs are needed.
Ubuntu is actually building 9.04 with: "-march=armv5t -mtune=cortex-a8" (1) so it would work on your Nokia N810 (just not optimal)...
Nokia was sponsoring a project called Mojo-Handhelds (2) that did do an optimized 'armv6' version of Ubuntu 8.04, however their future is in question at the moment.
Having a real ARMv7 device would be much better, though. Does Nokia provide those to developers, and would they lend development boards (even remote access would be better than nothing) for non-Maemo use?
Have you taken a look at the TI's beagleboard? 5xxMhz ARMv7 cortex-a8? (3) Add a usb harddrive and usb ethernet adapter and they work great for development.
I currently have one setup running 24/7 with ssh access available to developers, it's currently building native kernels (beagleboard, omap-3evm, etc) for all the debian variants i work with (debian, mojo, ubuntu) each in a separate chroot.
I'm in the process* of adding fedora chroot's, (with an end goal of attempting to build an armv7 variant using the koji build system).
* rootfilesystem runs native on the beagle, now just to make the chroot work...
1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gcc-4.3/+bug/303232 2: http://mojo.handhelds.org/ 3: http://beagleboard.org/
Regards,
On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Robert Nelson robertcnelson@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I have a Nokia N810 at hand (OMAP2 / ARMv6); while it's not quite what Ubuntu and Nokia are targeting (9.04 and Maemo 5 targets ARMv7), it'll be interesting to see how well Fedora runs on it. I'd have to get a larger SDHC card, read up on how to boot the device from it (as far as I remember, not that troublesome), and work out what binary blobs are needed.
Ubuntu is actually building 9.04 with: "-march=armv5t -mtune=cortex-a8" (1) so it would work on your Nokia N810 (just not optimal)...
Nokia was sponsoring a project called Mojo-Handhelds (2) that did do an optimized 'armv6' version of Ubuntu 8.04, however their future is in question at the moment.
Having a real ARMv7 device would be much better, though. Does Nokia provide those to developers, and would they lend development boards (even remote access would be better than nothing) for non-Maemo use?
Have you taken a look at the TI's beagleboard? 5xxMhz ARMv7 cortex-a8? (3) Add a usb harddrive and usb ethernet adapter and they work great for development.
That appears to be just ideal -- though if an all-in-one notebook is coming soon, I don't think I can justify the investment myself:
1. board = $150 2. USB serial adapter + serial cable 3. USB network card + USB hard disk (I can reuse the latter, but the former is an added expense)
If the final product ends up under $200, setting up my own board would double the total cost.
I currently have one setup running 24/7 with ssh access available to developers, it's currently building native kernels (beagleboard, omap-3evm, etc) for all the debian variants i work with (debian, mojo, ubuntu) each in a separate chroot.
I'm in the process* of adding fedora chroot's, (with an end goal of attempting to build an armv7 variant using the koji build system).
- rootfilesystem runs native on the beagle, now just to make the chroot work...
Could I possibly get an account on yours? Are there any tasks on which other Fedora developers can help?
Regards,
I currently have one setup running 24/7 with ssh access available to developers, it's currently building native kernels (beagleboard, omap-3evm, etc) for all the debian variants i work with (debian, mojo, ubuntu) each in a separate chroot.
I'm in the process* of adding fedora chroot's, (with an end goal of attempting to build an armv7 variant using the koji build system).
- rootfilesystem runs native on the beagle, now just to make the chroot work...
Could I possibly get an account on yours? Are there any tasks on which other Fedora developers can help?
Sure, I can give you one Michel. Please send me a private email with, user+pass for ssh access, and i'll reply with connection details.
Just got the chroot working this afternoon, and kinda messed it a bit up already. (I have way more experience with debian systems.)
But i'll setup an additional (untouched) chroot for fedora-10, based off the initial tar.bz2 image. (fedora-8 if people want)
Current Issues: arch is reported as armv7l, so rpm needs --ignorearch when installing armv5el*** packages.
yum (installed version) needs this patch: http://lists.baseurl.org/pipermail/yum-commits/2009-January/003137.html ; which is in fc11.
Regards
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Felipe Contreras -
Michel Salim -
Robert Nelson