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din RPM
by Adam Huffman 29 Apr '11

29 Apr '11

I've submitted review requests for din https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700814 and its dependency libircclient https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=700818 in case anyone feels like taking a look... The libircclient spec is based on Conrad Meyer's work, but still has some problems. I've also made a start on a harmonySEQ package. Adam

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JACK in F15
by William Blackburn 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

I am having trouble starting JACK in Fedora 15. I really want to try out some ladspa effects in JACK-rack. Can someone help me configure it properly? Maybe someone can write a how-to? i'll write it if you tell me how to set it up. a short explanation should do me thanks, Bill Blackburn

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 17
by William Blackburn 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

> From: music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 17 > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 12:00:17 +0000 > > Send music mailing list submissions to > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > music-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > music-owner(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of music digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: kernel I use for music production (David Timms) > 2. Looking to get involved (William Blackburn) > 3. Re: Looking to get involved (David Timms) > 4. Re: Looking to get involved (adam(a)linkedlistcorruption.com) > 5. Re: Looking to get involved (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) > 6. Re: kernel I use for music production (Fernando Lopez-Lezcano) > 7. Re: Looking to get involved (Orcan Ogetbil) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:54:45 +1000 > From: David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] kernel I use for music production > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <4DB81215.9040807(a)iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 27/04/11 01:53, William Blackburn wrote: > > > > Hello, I want to share something with the music community. I have > > been using the stock 2.6.38.4 kernel with the "ck" patch and have had > > nothing but great results with it. No X-runs or anything. If anyone > > is interested, feel free to ask me some questions about it. > > Are you saying patch and build ? > > What problems were you having with standard Fedora 15 kernel ? > > Is this with a slower or single core machine ? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 14:08:28 +0000 > From: William Blackburn <bill_-(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > To: <music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Message-ID: <SNT133-w2589D123B7F372F49C9D39B6980(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hello, you guys have most likely seen me on this before when I was > asking questions about something. However, I have been using Fedora > for a while now and I would like begin to get involved with the music > community. I am looking to maybe learn how to package things or to do > anything that would help out. Basically, I want to be part of the > team. > > I wrote a wiki in the past but it has since been obsoleted. > This is the link. > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tertl3/real-time > > What could I do to help out? > > Thanks a lot everyone! > > Bill Blackburn (tertl3 on IRC) > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/music/attachments/20110427/81f7328… > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 07:54:13 +1000 > From: David Timms <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <4DB89085.9080205(a)iinet.net.au> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 28/04/11 00:08, William Blackburn wrote: > > What could I do to help out? > 1. Testing of new or updated packages: > eg: audacity - building at the moment for f14,15, available for rawhide: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1352 > > Specifically, note which functions of the app you have taken for a spin, > and had success with. This makes it easier for others to try something > that you haven't. > > 2. take a CCRMA (or other upstream application) package, update to > fedora guidelines and current version, and submit for fedora review: > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/14/SR… > > Choose especially apps that you might actually use, since you will be > long term primary maintainer. > > 3. work on Music Spin > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Music_Creation_Lite_Spin > see the discussion section for an initial review, and hence work to be done. > > 4. As a group, we probably also need a goals list. The wiki is a good > place to put ideas, and a bit of mail list or IRC discussion could help > to determine priorities, and be able to indicate that you would like to > work on a specific item. > > David. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:29:28 -0400 (EDT) > From: adam(a)linkedlistcorruption.com > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > To: "David Timms" <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <1303943368.308523673(a)webmail.linkedlistcorruption.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset=UTF-8 > > The single biggest thing that Fedora needs is a realtime kernel in the base repo. All the music packages in the world wont matter if running JACK at lowest latency requires building your own kernel. When I use Fedora for audio that's what I have to do - build my own kernel from upstream source. > > Building the real time kernel is the easy part. Navigating the Fedora project's labyrinthine structure and packaging requirements are the hard part. > > If you know anything about RPM packaging and/or getting packages into Fedora I would highly encourage you to look into this. Fedora has plenty of nice packages, but it has no kernel capable of running them at ultra low latency. I will do anything I can to help you. Without an easy to install realtime kernel built from upstream (not a patched version of the Fedora kernel) I can't recommend Fedora to people for audio work. If Fedora did have a realtime kernel in the base repos it would make it one of the most attractive distros for audio work. > > A > > -----Original Message----- > From: "David Timms" <dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:54pm > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > > On 28/04/11 00:08, William Blackburn wrote: > > What could I do to help out? > 1. Testing of new or updated packages: > eg: audacity - building at the moment for f14,15, available for rawhide: > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1352 > > Specifically, note which functions of the app you have taken for a spin, > and had success with. This makes it easier for others to try something > that you haven't. > > 2. take a CCRMA (or other upstream application) package, update to > fedora guidelines and current version, and submit for fedora review: > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/14/SR… > > Choose especially apps that you might actually use, since you will be > long term primary maintainer. > > 3. work on Music Spin > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Music_Creation_Lite_Spin > see the discussion section for an initial review, and hence work to be done. > > 4. As a group, we probably also need a goals list. The wiki is a good > place to put ideas, and a bit of mail list or IRC discussion could help > to determine priorities, and be able to indicate that you would like to > work on a specific item. > > David. > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:09:31 -0700 > From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > To: adam(a)linkedlistcorruption.com > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <4DB8A22B.70003@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 04/27/2011 03:29 PM, adam(a)linkedlistcorruption.com wrote: > > The single biggest thing that Fedora needs is a realtime kernel in the base repo. > > Oh yeah.... I would love that! > > > All the music packages in the world wont matter if running JACK at > lowest latency requires building your own kernel. When I use Fedora for > audio that's what I have to do - build my own kernel from upstream source. > > Any particular reason you don't use the rt patched kernels I build for > Planet CCRMA? (apart from not wanting to use a non-Fedora repository, of > course). Just curious... > > > Building the real time kernel is the easy part. Navigating the Fedora project's labyrinthine structure and packaging requirements are the hard part. > > Yes, packaging an rt kernel is not easy, at least when you start... I've > been doing that since 2001 (sigh!). > > Last time the subject of "rt kernels into Fedora" came up (2008 I > believe), there was no interest from Fedora or RedHat into getting a > second kernel into their repositories - and the question had already > been asked two years or so before _that_. I could try to dig up the > thread. Maybe things have changed, but I don't hold much hope till the > issue is forced by rt getting into upstream (real soon now? :-). And > then the big discussion will be "should we enable this in the build - it > will break things!"? > > I don't see how Fedora would manage two kernels with the support issues > that would surface specially since today the latest "official" rt > patches are for 2.6.33 (I'm testing a forward port to 2.6.34 that > appeared in the rt mailing list, but that is still old). > > -- Fernando > > > > If you know anything about RPM packaging and/or getting packages into Fedora I would highly encourage you to look into this. Fedora has plenty of nice packages, but it has no kernel capable of running them at ultra low latency. I will do anything I can to help you. Without an easy to install realtime kernel built from upstream (not a patched version of the Fedora kernel) I can't recommend Fedora to people for audio work. If Fedora did have a realtime kernel in the base repos it would make it one of the most attractive distros for audio work. > > > > A > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "David Timms"<dtimms(a)iinet.net.au> > > Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2011 5:54pm > > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > > > > On 28/04/11 00:08, William Blackburn wrote: > >> What could I do to help out? > > 1. Testing of new or updated packages: > > eg: audacity - building at the moment for f14,15, available for rawhide: > > http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1352 > > > > Specifically, note which functions of the app you have taken for a spin, > > and had success with. This makes it easier for others to try something > > that you haven't. > > > > 2. take a CCRMA (or other upstream application) package, update to > > fedora guidelines and current version, and submit for fedora review: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/14/SR… > > > > Choose especially apps that you might actually use, since you will be > > long term primary maintainer. > > > > 3. work on Music Spin > > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Music_Creation_Lite_Spin > > see the discussion section for an initial review, and hence work to be done. > > > > 4. As a group, we probably also need a goals list. The wiki is a good > > place to put ideas, and a bit of mail list or IRC discussion could help > > to determine priorities, and be able to indicate that you would like to > > work on a specific item. > > > > David. > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > music mailing list > > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:46:07 -0700 > From: Fernando Lopez-Lezcano <nando(a)ccrma.Stanford.EDU> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] kernel I use for music production > To: William Blackburn <bill_-(a)hotmail.com> > Cc: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <4DB8C6DF.3060100@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > On 04/26/2011 08:53 AM, William Blackburn wrote: > > Hello, I want to share something with the music community. I have been > > using the stock 2.6.38.4 kernel with the "ck" patch and have had nothing > > but great results with it. No X-runs or anything. If anyone is > > interested, feel free to ask me some questions about it. If you are on > > Fedora 15 it might be a good options since I don't think CCRMA has a > > rt-kernel for Fedora 15 yet. > > As Fedora 15 does not exist yet... > > > I can tell you how I went about installing > > the patched kernel if you need. The patch also is said to speed up basic > > responsiveness, but this subject is up for debate. > > A little bit more information would be great. What applications do you > use? Are you running jack for them? With what parameters? (ie: frames > per period, periods per buffer, sampling rate, etc). What soundcard do > you use? Are you really loading the machine when testing? > > And with the same conditions what kind of problem did you see in the > regular Fedora 15 kernel? > > -- Fernando > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:05:09 -0400 > From: Orcan Ogetbil <oget.fedora(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Fedora-music-list] Looking to get involved > To: music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Message-ID: <BANLkTikhFrB1w_Udu9DseZEZE4TK9P4M1w(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:54 PM, David Timms wrote: > > On 28/04/11 00:08, William Blackburn wrote: > >> What could I do to help out? > > > > 2. take a CCRMA (or other upstream application) package, update to > > fedora guidelines and current version, and submit for fedora review: > > http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetccrma/14/SR… > > > > Choose especially apps that you might actually use, since you will be > > long term primary maintainer. > > > > If you happen to choose this path, this is where you start: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/Join > > You may want to build up some bash skills if you don't feel absolutely > comfortable with it. I recommend the following tutorial: > http://mywiki.wooledge.org/BashGuide > > In addition to adding new packages to our repertoire, we also need > help with the existing packages. > > If you follow the instructions to become a packager, you will come to > a stage where you need to find a sponsor. Let me know if/when that > happens. > > Cheers, > Orcan > > > A little bit more information would be great. What applications do you > use? Are you running jack for them? With what parameters? (ie: frames > per period, periods per buffer, sampling rate, etc). What soundcard do > you use? Are you really loading the machine when testing?> > And with the same conditions what kind of problem did you see in the > regular Fedora 15 kernel?> > -- Fernando Fernando, I usually try to get 5ms or less of latency with 41000 smaple rate and 64 frames/period and 2 periods/buffer.I do use JACK and I usually limit my self to use JACK as a guitar effects processor. I think it will also work fine with a recording app like qtractor as well. Actaully I was getting super low latency with the liunxDSP reverb effect. About 1.667ms believe it or not :) Here is a link to the patch and the kernel to patch against http://users.on.net/~ckolivas/kernel/. I think this is a better alternative b/c it does not require any c group privileges. Please feel free to try it and let me know what you thought. The maintainer of the patch can be found on OFTC at #ck. Btw I get freezes with the ccrma F14 kerenel-rt. Is this normal? Cheers guys, Bill > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > music mailing list > music(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/music > > End of music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 17 > *************************************

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Looking to get involved
by William Blackburn 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

Hello, you guys have most likely seen me on this before when I was asking questions about something. However, I have been using Fedora for a while now and I would like begin to get involved with the music community. I am looking to maybe learn how to package things or to do anything that would help out. Basically, I want to be part of the team. I wrote a wiki in the past but it has since been obsoleted. This is the link. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Tertl3/real-time What could I do to help out? Thanks a lot everyone! Bill Blackburn (tertl3 on IRC)

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kernel I use for music production
by William Blackburn 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

Hello, I want to share something with the music community. I have been using the stock 2.6.38.4 kernel with the "ck" patch and have had nothing but great results with it. No X-runs or anything. If anyone is interested, feel free to ask me some questions about it. If you are on Fedora 15 it might be a good options since I don't think CCRMA has a rt-kernel for Fedora 15 yet. I can tell you how I went about installing the patched kernel if you need. The patch also is said to speed up basic responsiveness, but this subject is up for debate. Cheers everyone, Bill

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guitar reverb
by William Blackburn 24 Apr '11

24 Apr '11

What is the best GUI program for a guitar reverb effect. I really like the linuxDSP effect, but it is no longer free.

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Making Music with FOSS Webcast - Today at 11am PDT (GMT-7) / 2pm EDT (GMT-4) / 18:00 UTC
by Marco Rhodes 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

Making Music with FOSS April 20, 2011 | 11am PDT (GMT-7) / 2pm EDT (GMT-4) / 18:00 UTC Many people in music production are unaware that free and open source software options exist for them. Instead, they opt for non-free solutions by default, because they don't know, don't care, or they just don't believe that there is an entire world of free and open source software available. And the open source software for music production is often as good as or better than the non-free alternatives. Join the Open Your World webcast on April 20 to hear Adam Drew talk about how he went from being an Apple Logic Studio user to producing his music completely on open source software. Then learn about the challenges, learning curve, and details of how you too can make the switch. Register now at: https://engage.redhat.com/forms/20110420MakingMusic Video preview: http://opensource.com/life/11/4/learn-make-open-source-music-register-now-w… Re-tweet: https://twitter.com/#!/opensourceway/status/59980767920533504

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 13
by William Blackburn 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

hello, I have recently installed F15 Beta. I have forgotten the fix to get JACK working. I remember it was something about disabling the firewire driver. Can someone please send me the short command that fixes this issue. I searched for it, but no luck. Sorry to ask twice, but I forgot to write it down. -Bill

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 13
by William Blackburn 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

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Re: [Fedora-music-list] music Digest, Vol 48, Issue 11
by William Blackburn 19 Apr '11

19 Apr '11

When will this theme be available to use or will there be instructions on how to go about installing it? I am looking forward to maybe a Miles Davis theme playing the trumpet "). Thanks guys.

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