env-and-stacks August 2014

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Proposal for every WG to send a short summary *to other WGs directly*
by Honza Horak 02 Sep '14

02 Sep '14

Hi working groups members, since we have learned on Flock that new Fedora working groups do not communicate with each other much (or enough), I'd like to propose the following: Every working group will time to time (e.g. weekly) send short summary about what they did / were talking about directly to mailing lists of other working groups + to devel(a)fp.o. Really only a short summary with links where one can find details. I tried to collect such info from the meeting logs and mailing lists for the last few weeks for Env and Stacks WG: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2014-August/000487… I found many notes are really worth spreading beyond groups' borders, but it takes too much time for one person to collect all the information. Thus, proposing to "do a summary once per group and share with other groups". Another benefit would be that Matt would have better content for his 5tiftw. I don't think we need to sync about date or frequency, just remembering to send a direct mail if anything interesting is done/discussed should work fine. List of proposed MLs to send this summary to: server(a)lists.fedoraproject.org desktop(a)lists.fedoraproject.org cloud(a)lists.fedoraproject.org env-and-stacks(a)lists.fedoraproject.org devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org Comments, ideas or better solutions are welcome as usually, but I might be offline until Sunday, so do not expect any answers from me in that time :) Cheers, Honza

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can someone from WG attend the EPEL meeting today?
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 28 Aug '14

28 Aug '14

Hi, The EPEL meeting later today (Friday 16:00 UTC) will discuss EPEL.next again (EPIC). I would attend but it is rather late for me (1am in Japan), is it possible someone from the WG could attend on our behalf to help get our ideas/concerns/input also included in the discussion. It seems from the previous (first) meeting [1] last week that they are currently leaning towards (one or more) faster moving rolling-release repos. This will certainly be an improvement but I feel it is not flexible enough to provide long-term support for multiple versions of stacks. eg I would certainly like to make multiple versions of Haskell ghc available for EPEL/EPIC over the whole life-time, even though perhaps only the EPEL and latest EPIC branch would see continuing maintenance and updates. Rolling release seems to be the exact weakness of EPEL so replicating that in EPIC seems like a bad idea to me. A counter-point might be that branches is too much work but really it is no different from Fedora branches, which also become EOL. Jens [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/epel/2014-08-22/epel_reboot.2014-08-22-16.…

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-08-26)
by Marcela Mašláňová 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

WG meeting will be at 13:00 UTC (14:00 London, 15:00 Brno, 9:00 Boston, 22:00 Tokyo) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topic = * follow up from we learnt on Flock * epel/epic proposal * OpenFloor

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Other WGs' monitoring from 1st till 26th August
by Honza Horak 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

As promissed on the last meeting, this is $subject: Workstation WG: * Bad BZ performance when reporting -- removing gnome-abrt? ABRT maintainer says we should rather fix it shortened reporting discussed, more discussion about workflow * Langdon White's "Fedora for Developers" <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=COAeCYSxEQk> <https://langdon.fedorapeople.org/flock-2014-preso.html< proposal to hold Gnome version for 2 releases (mostly disagreeing on the ML) <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010108.html> <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010114.html> quite a lot of ideas that are based on Langdon's view: "developer on Linux" which is [usually] distinctly different from a "Linux developer". Why mac is prefered over linux - because "it just works" <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010199.html> Fedora Workstation's real value will be how it integrates developer tools with multiple desktop environments! * Default pacakges installed discussion (firewall related; proposal not to include firewall-config, a graphical tool for firewall); long and heated discussion. * <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010182.html> A proposal related to gnome apps -- some concepts can be general enough. * Desktop WG not very happy about copr (slow, overloaded): <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010244.html> They think about moving the effort of testing the new version of Gnome back to koji and make users to use F21 instead of providing testing coprs. * Say goodbye to start.fedoraproject.org? <https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2014-August/010265.html> Server WG: * rolekit on the way, missing database role * cockpit seems to be in a good shape for alpha and beta seems also good. Cloud WG: * fedora to have a registry or not? * vagrant packaging will be needed * discussions and legal issues with some other cloud companies (Rackspace, GCE, HP) Base WG: * splitting packages to ship config files in *-config subpackage and ship those files also in /usr/share/factor/etc/* eventually /etc is minimal or even empty focusing on packages that are supposed to "just work", things like apache, which need some admin action, might not be compatible with this new scheme <http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-08-22/fedora_base_desi…> General: * final texts for prerelease -- alpha is approaching. Honza Footnote: if every group does some short summary weekly/biweekly, others could just quickly read it to stay tuned -- I'll probably propose something like that soon.

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-08-19)
by Honza Horak 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

WG meeting will be at 13:00 UTC (14:00 London, 15:00 Brno, 9:00 Boston, 22:00 Tokyo) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topic = * Flock -- what we learnt, what needs to be done * OpenFloor

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next meeting
by Marcela Mašláňová 19 Aug '14

19 Aug '14

Hi guys, I'm on vacation next few days. Could someone lead it and discuss what you've started on Flock? Thanks, Marcela

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cancel meeting today
by Marcela Mašláňová 12 Aug '14

12 Aug '14

Hi, at least four members won't be available for today meeting. Let's do it next week. I'm sorry for late notice. Marcela

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Flock WG dinner on Friday, 7pm
by Honza Horak 08 Aug '14

08 Aug '14

Hi guys, I'd still like to organize an Environment and Stacks Working Group dinner on Flock. Since there are social events on Wednesday and Thursday, I'd like to invite you to spend beginning of the Friday evening together. In case there are guys that would like to attend, we'll meet at 7pm on Friday, place will be specified later. Please, if you'd like to come, reply to this e-mail. Thank you and hopefully see you on Flock! Honza

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2014-08-05)
by Marcela Mašláňová 05 Aug '14

05 Aug '14

WG meeting will be at 13:00 UTC (14:00 London, 15:00 Brno, 9:00 Boston, 22:00 Tokyo) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topic = * Flock * OpenFloor

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fedora.next joint session at flock
by Matthew Miller 04 Aug '14

04 Aug '14

Sorry, this isn't last minute yet, is it? :) Earlier this year at DevConf, we did a session on Fedora.next, with an overview presentation followed by a 3 minute report from each WG, and a panel discussion. We're aiming to do this again at Flock, with a big joint session on Friday. Marcela, you represented Env & Stacks at DevConf -- do you want to do the updated version? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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