env-and-stacks January 2015

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ACTION REQUIRED: Seeking for Env & Stacks WG meeting time + meeting this week?
by Honza Horak 05 Feb '15

05 Feb '15

Hi guys, specially new members (CC'd just in case you don't follow this ML yet), there almost were elections and there have also been some complaints about the meeting time when we meet on IRC every week, let me start picking up a new time for the meeting. Since we have quite big timezone difference even between voting members and there are other guys in the world who would like to join discussions, let's do what we used to do already in the beginning, let's pick up two times and alternate on odd/even weeks. So, voting members of Env and Stacks WG and also others who would like to attend the IRC meeting, please, fill in your availability here until 1st Feb 23:59: http://whenisgood.net/2h8sceq (voting members will be obviously preferred if no perfect time for all is found) Another thing is that I'll be not available this week for the meeting. But in case somebody volunteers to hold one, I'm sure we'll have still a lot to say about the rings and the feedback given on the devel ML. Honza

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Fwd: Pulp Python Plugins Released
by Nick Coghlan 04 Feb '15

04 Feb '15

Of relevance to our (OK, mostly Slavek's) language specific repos work, the Pulp team released the initial iteration of their Python plugins last week. Cheers, Nick. ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "Randy Barlow" <rbarlow(a)redhat.com> To: pulp-list(a)redhat.com Sent: Friday, 23 January, 2015 1:46:33 AM Subject: [Pulp-list] Python Plugins Released The Pulp team is pleased to announce the release of a new set of plugins that can be used to manage Python content. With these plugins, you can upload your own Python packages to Pulp, copy them between repositories, publish the repositories, and use pip to install them on clients. The initial release is 0.0.0-1, and we are already working to add some simple synchronization features in an upcoming release. http://pulp-python.readthedocs.org/en/0.0-release/ Try them out and let us know what you think! _______________________________________________ Pulp-list mailing list Pulp-list(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/pulp-list -- Nick Coghlan Red Hat Hosted & Shared Services Software Engineering & Development, Brisbane HSS Provisioning Architect

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Workstation WG post on application bundles
by Nick Coghlan 27 Jan '15

27 Jan '15

By way of Christian's recent post on F22 workstation plans [1], I found this detailed post regarding the current status of application bundles for rich client apps: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/desktop/2015-January/011427.html I don't currently see anything there that conflicts with anything we're planning to do, but it's probably something we should keep an eye on to help ensure that the developer experiences for server side applications and rich client applications don't diverge too far. In particular, one question I can see arising is "What's the difference between an application runtime and a software collection?". Is there a better answer than "you can use software collections without needing to run them in a separate container"? Regards, Nick. [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/uraeus/2015/01/19/planning-for-fedora-workstation-22/ -- Nick Coghlan | ncoghlan(a)gmail.com | Brisbane, Australia

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New Env & Stacks WG crew - elections not necessary
by Honza Horak 26 Jan '15

26 Jan '15

Dear contributors, based on the Governance Charter [1], the first Environment and Stacks working group elections were supposed to be held these days. We looked for 4 new voting members for the group. The nominations period ended few days back and there are exactly 4 nominations at [2]. Based on my poor math, since 4 - 4 = 0 there is no sense in holding the elections, since the results are already set. Thus, let me cancel further election process and join me to welcome the following new members of Environment and Stacks working group: * Slavek Kabrda (bkabrda), who's already been member so far * Colin Walters (walters) * Tomas Tomecek (ttomecek) * Petr Hracek (phracek) Guys, welcome on board, I'm looking forward to work with you! The rest of the voting crew is: * Honza Horák (hhorak) * Nick Coghlan (ncoghlan) * Jens Petersen (juhp) * Václav Pavlín (vpavlin) * Stuart Campbell (sicampbell) [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Governance_Charter [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Nominations Honza

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-14)
by Honza Horak 23 Jan '15

23 Jan '15

WG meeting will be at 12:00 UTC (07:00 EST, 13:00 Brno, 7:00 Boston, 21:00 Tokyo, 22:00 Brisbane) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topics = * Fedora Rings * revisit the plan around rings * interpret rings with users' use cases and requirements * sync on where SCLs, copr, languages repositories etc. fit into rings ideas * Chairman for next meeting * Open Floor

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Rings and building in copr (non-koji)
by Honza Horak 23 Jan '15

23 Jan '15

Hi, this is related to today's meeting discussion [1] about rings and utilizing koji and copr as well.. I got quite important comment from Dennis (CC'd): "If its going to be part of fedora in any shape or form officially it has to be built in koji ... it allows releng to control shipping, signing and delivery, it allows updates to go through bodhi ... it gives a central place for people to look at fedora builds" I think these are valid points but to me it still seems like we may still work with that. It would just mean non-koji-Rings wouldn't be considered "official fedora", which seems similar to less-strict rules and thus lesser quality expectations. Or is it a bigger issue? [1] http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-01-14/env-and-stacks.2… Honza

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help put together a modularization/rings Fedora Objective
by Matthew Miller 22 Jan '15

22 Jan '15

First, background — take a look at <http://fedoramagazine.org/lets-talk-about-fedora-project-objectives/> if you haven't seen it. And also, <https://fedorahosted.org/council/ticket/17>, our first (in the midst of being formally) approved medium-term objective. I'd like to propose another one, basically in the same template, for the other major part of Fedora.next — the "rings". I think it's very clear that the future of Linux distributions is in this model, rather than in the "flat" model we have now. That's a radical change, and is going to need a huge amount of effort over the course of several releases. And that effort is going to need a lot of coordination and planning, and high-level support from the project overall. An objective proposal (and acceptance of that proposal) is the way to do it. Let's get that started! -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-21)
by Honza Horak 21 Jan '15

21 Jan '15

WG meeting will be at 12:00 UTC (07:00 EST, 13:00 Brno, 7:00 Boston, 21:00 Tokyo, 22:00 Brisbane) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topics = * Nominations & Elections * Fedora Rings * elaborating ML feedback * Open Floor

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Agenda for Env-and-Stacks WG meeting (2015-01-07)
by Honza Horak 07 Jan '15

07 Jan '15

WG meeting will be at 12:00 UTC (07:00 EST, 13:00 Brno, 7:00 Boston, 21:00 Tokyo, 22:00 Brisbane) in #fedora-meeting on Freenode. = Topics = * Follow-ups * languages repositories * SCLs * Chairman for next meeting * Open Floor

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Software Collections mostly unanswered questions
by Honza Horak 07 Jan '15

07 Jan '15

Hi, as promised there is a wiki page [1] with mostly questions that seem to be unanswered so far. Some of those questions have already some proposed answer, but this is still subject of discussion. This was prepared to move forward since it seems the SCL topic is too complex now. Let's discuss the topics on Env and Stacks mailing list and vote on controversial items on some of the next Env and Stacks meeting. Recommended way to start a discussion: 1) Open up a discussion about a specific topic on the ML (may be one question or can cover more related questions). 2) add a link to the ML thread into the wiki page [1], so the discussion is tracked (feel free to add new question to the wiki if not mentioned there yet) [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Env_and_Stacks/Projects/SoftwareCollectionsI… Honza

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