env-and-stacks February 2016

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Fwd: Annoucing Fedora Developer Portal mailing list
by Nick Coghlan 19 Feb '16

19 Feb '16

Developer portal update that's potentially of interest to folks here :) Cheers, Nick. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Petr Hracek <phracek(a)redhat.com> Date: Fri, Feb 19, 2016 at 6:23 PM Subject: Annoucing Fedora Developer Portal mailing list Hi folks, I am glad to announce, Fedora Developer Portal has official mailing list. developer-portal(a)lists.fedoraproject.org If you want to discuss anything about the portal, feel free to send us any feedback, suggestions, etc. Or even file a n issue on GitHub. In the most time you can reach us on IRC *freenode*, channel *#developer-portal*. Soon, we would like to inform you about the progress and what we plan for next round. Portal is located on GitHub [1]. As website [2] as content [3]. [1] https://github.com/developer-portal [2] https://github.com/developer-portal/website [3] https://github.com/developer-portal/content -- Petr Hracek Software Engineer Developer Experience Red Hat, Inc Mob: +420777056169 email: phracek(a)redhat.com -- Nick Coghlan Fedora Environments & Stacks Red Hat Developer Experience, Brisbane Software Development Workflow Designer & Process Architect

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Containers: we're asking for ponies, so here's a suggestion for the Minimum Viable (Modular) Pony Show
by Matthew Miller 09 Feb '16

09 Feb '16

At DevConf.cz, I said that 2016 needed to be the year of the _show_ part of "show & tell" for what we started with the "rings" proposal and now what we're calling, vaguely, "modularity". Some of that is scary, because anything really new always is. It's important that we do this in a way that *both* brings useful new functionality _and_ doesn't break what we have. In the commercial world, there's a concept of "minimum viable product" -- not done, not perfect, but what it takes to actually start solving problems and providing value. In Fedora, we're not in business in the same way, but some of the same can apply. So, here's my suggestions for a "minimum viable demo" for what a container-based module might look like in Fedora. Particularly, when I've spoken to people about delivering parts of Fedora as containers, the part about tracking security and proving updates becames disturbingly hand-wavy, with "yeah, of course, we'll do something to cover that". I think to be successful, we need to make sure that this is addressed early. So, this proposal for a demo I'd like to see. I've broken it down into three parts of increasing complexity and usefulness: starting with "and I want a pony", then moving up to "actually, a unicorn", and then "also, could you put wings on that?" So, first: The Minimum Viable Pony ----------------------- This is a basic web server module delivered as a container. Part A: the basic module: * Answers on port 80 and serves out static web pages. * Content comes from /var/www/html... or another container, or whatever. * Doesn't even need to be configurable. It's a demo. * It's composed entirely from RPMs already existing in Fedora. Part B: DNF Plugin to list CVEs * Works like https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/17/html/Security_Guide/sect-Sec… - lists all RPMs on host system where a security update is available - can list by CVE - also by Bugzilla - also with link to update notice - with various breakdowns by severity level - **additionally** lists "modules" which need updates (with same links) - has option to list which specific RPMs within the module have the problem. So that's a good start. As a sysadmin, I'm feeling a little less scared about. But we also need... To Take It to Unicorn Level --------------------------- It's all well and good to fix the problem, but we also need to be able to fix it. So, the next level is: * Image is built in Fedora's new Layered Image Build Service https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Layered_Docker_Image_Build_Service * If there is a security vulnerability in any RPM that is in the image, it is automatically rebuilt and made available somewhere. * And automatically tested! - Here, just a basic test that makes sure that input web content comes out. It's a proof-of-concept so no real in-depth testing is needed. * And, then, a dnf plugin which actually downloads and applies the update. Now, not only do we have comforting tooling (minimizing change pain), we also have a real, practical improvement (there will be cake!). In the current system, while we do hands-on testing of individual updates, they aren't necessarily tested in the application to which they apply. For example, if the web server here is Nginx and the security flaw in the SSL library, current update testing does not guarantee that the update has been tested *for that use*. But this will. Plus, in addition to whatever human oversight, there will be an _automatic_ test. So that's pretty good. But finally, to get to the glorious future, I'd also like to see this unicorn become also a pegasus (my daughter tells me that this makes it an "alicorn")... Taking Flight ------------- Same as above, but with two new things: New Thing One: * Instead of RPMs, a module which uses some non-RPM upstream packaging format as part of its composition - Ruby gem, Python egg or wheel, Java jar... whatever * And the DNF list-security command still works - and the verbose flag now tells us about the CVEs or whatever for the non-RPM package New Thing Two: * There is enough metadata and intelligence such that when the new container is updated, that update happens without downtime. This may involve multiple containers. * If the update fails locally for some reason (despite the best efforts at upstream testing), it's rolled back automatically From here, I can imagine all sorts of other mythical creatures. But, you know, for a start. What do you think? As a user/sysadmin, is there something more you'd like to see? If you're skeptical about containers, would this make you feel better? If not, what might? If you're excited about them, does this seem like a useful start? What's missing? And, of course, if you're a developer working on this stuff, can I have ponies please? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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