kde June 2009

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kde-4.2.90 and nepomuk, good, bad,ugly?
by Rex Dieter 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Just threw virtuoso-opensource into kde-redhat/unstable repos. If you've got kde-4.2.90 installed, and don't mind testing out nepomuk, install virtuoso-opensource , and report back. good? bad? ugly? -- Rex

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kdeartwork-wallpapers-4.2.90-1.fc10.noarch slipped in kde repository?
by Christos Lazaridis 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Shouldn't it be in kde-unstable along with its KDE 4.3 beta 2 friends? cheers, Christos.

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Re: Sharing brand with upstream [Was: Building Brand Together]
by Kevin Kofler 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

Máirín Duffy wrote: > The design team has enough time pressures on it wrt to theme as is. This > puts an additional, difficult burden on us to get the theme out even > sooner. You need to do that anyway. The systematic late tagging of the entire artwork which happened the last few releases is not acceptable. It also puts a lot of pressure on us KDE maintainers because we get to come up with KDE implementations of your theme concept in a very short timeframe because we don't even have any artwork to work with at the point where the artwork is supposed to be final (final devel freeze). A few of us (primarily jreznik and me) are willing to work on KDE artwork, but we're no artists, we're developers, we really need actual artists coming up with concepts in time for us to actually do the implementation work. I'm sorry, but the design team will have to work with the same freezes as all the other teams, the current situation is not tenable. This issue has been the subject of a lot of frustration on our (KDE SIG) side. So, while I'm not convinced this idea of working with KDE upstream on artwork is going to really work out (count me as one of the remaining scepticists), the scheduling issue remains there in any case. > If the Fedora KDE spin would like to branch off and take its own > approach to the artwork and not use the design team's artwork, then that > is a different conversation. Of course there's also the possible option to work ONLY with upstream KDE's designers and ignoring Fedora's theme entirely. However, this will not lead to a consistent Fedora experience. :-( And at that point I guess we could just ship upstream's original artwork and not ask for their help at all. The idea of upstream's plan is to design something which is a blend of upstream and downstream design elements. How well that'll work out is something we have yet to see (and that's one of the reasons for my scepticism). > Besides this, there are some fundamental issues with the proposal: > > - Are these themes going to match oxygen AND tango? These themes will be for KDE only (Plasma wallpaper, KSplash, KDM, possibly also a Plasma theme, the main focus from upstream right now in this trial phase is on wallpapers, which would be used both on the Plasma desktop and as part of the KSplash and KDM themes), there are no plans for KDE to use Tango and I think upstream would not be happy if we change the default KDE icon theme away from Oxygen. The whole reason they're doing this artwork plan is that they're unhappy about distros changing too much of the artwork (they even complain about distros changing the menu button from the KDE logo to their logo as we're doing, if we change the whole icon theme, they'll most likely just stop working with us entirely). > - How is the production of these themes going to line up with X distro's > release cycles? Who gets to be the one with the stale theme? The themes will be designed for each distro. That said, the theme will certainly be stale in that it will be based on e.g. KDE 4.3 artwork for F12, but F12 updates will most likely have KDE 4.4 and 4.5. (They certainly won't be willing to work on 3 themes for every Fedora resp. KDE release to cover all the combinations.) The idea is to blend the latest upstream KDE artwork with the artwork for the upcoming distro release. > - How do you produce a set of artwork that doesn't clash with X distro's > individual branding styles?? I have no idea how upstream plans to do that. That's why I'm sceptical. ;-) > - What kind of SLA does the KDE artist team assure us with this service? Most likely none, they're just volunteers just like you. > - How much say does the Fedora design team get in the wallpaper design? That's also something which remains to be seen, though it certainly also depends on how willing you are to talk with the upstream designers about things. If you just send us your designs and we forward them to upstream with no direct communication between the artwork designers, then of course upstream will do whatever they want with your design. ;-) But I don't know how much influence you can have on the design if you're willing to discuss things with upstream. The idea is new, so there are no returns yet. Kevin Kofler

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KDE-SIG weekly report (25/2009)
by Jaroslav Reznik 22 Jun '09

22 Jun '09

This is a report of the weekly KDE-SIG-Meeting with a summary of the topics that were discussed. If you want to add a comment please reply to this email or add it to the related meeting page. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Weekly KDE Summary = Week: 25/2009 Time: 2009-06-16 16:00 UTC Meeting page: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-16 Meeting log: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/c/c4/KDE-SIG-2009-06-16.txt ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Participants = * Ben Boeckel * JaroslavReznik * KevinKofler * LukasTinkl * RexDieter * StevenParrish * ThanNgo ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Agenda = topics to discuss: * kde-4.2.90 status o kdebindings-4.2.90 build failures for < f12 * OO.o KDE 4 integration [1] recent bugs: * Selinux/knotify issues [2] [3] = Summary = kde-4.2.90 status * kdebindings-4.2.90 build failures for < f12 o builds OK with new PyQt4 o so we need patch for old PyQt4 + rdieter already did it in 4.2.90-2 OO.o KDE 4 integration * there is KDE 4 support for OO.o now * we don't want to ship on Live CD but we want it (even after KO 2 are out) * we have to check current state o full integration would be NWF (native widget framework), dialogs and URL handlers? * dtardon (OO.o co-maintainer) will to help us o jreznik is in contact with dtardon and take care about OO.o KDE 4 integration o we need maintainer as OO.o guys are not interested in o KDE 4 integration support will be packaged separately * gvfs is not problem for us (depends only on glib2), but native kio support would be better == Recent bugs == Selinux/knotify issues * probably 2 instances of the same bug * Fedora or RPM Fusion packages bug? * SELinux never tells us which shared object is actually at fault o we have to contact dwalsh for help + already CC on bugs + Kevin_Kofler will ping him = Links = [1] http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/ooo-build/2009-June/000036.html [2] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/506126 [3] http://bugzilla.redhat.com/506122 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- = Next Meeting = http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE/Meetings/2009-06-23 -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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4.2.85 being deleted
by Ben Boeckel 21 Jun '09

21 Jun '09

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am deleting KDE 4.2.85 from my repo as 4.2.90 has been out long enough that there's probably no one left that's on the bleeding edge of last month. ;) - --Ben -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAko8HKkACgkQiPi+MRHG3qQxwQCcCYkf6SrFGMAUuih8wAnRkIxl muUAn1FFAz4Fytj3nls3oC5+OEl0uxUJ =uANt -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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skype broken without qt-devel ?
by Chitlesh GOORAH 21 Jun '09

21 Jun '09

Hai there, I had the following error while launching skype on F-11, just after I removed qt-devel skype: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDBus.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory I had to install qt-devel to get skype working again. This is weird since, [root@goorah ~]# rpm -qf /usr/lib/libQtDBus.so.4 qt-4.5.1-13.fc11.i586 Chitlesh

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4.3 Tray autohide
by Ahmed Kamal 20 Jun '09

20 Jun '09

Hi, Not sure if I'm not understanding this correctly, but that nice little left/right arrow next to the system tray, that is supposed to help hide unused icons. Well, it didn't seem to do anything automatically. And even clicking it, didnt seem to do anything except change the arrow direction! Now, going into the configuration, and unselecting some icons, then clicking ok, did hide them. But is the default behaviour really unintuitive, or am I missing something ? KDE-4.3 absolutely rox ;) Regards

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On the Plus Side
by Eli Wapniarski 19 Jun '09

19 Jun '09

Hiyall After about a week of using 4.2.90. I should balance my rants with what I find positive. The folder view for the desktop is finally and wonderfully functional. I can lay down plasmoids on top of it. There is a functional context menu (run command included). Moving over folders drills down folders. Context menu of files has the copy to and move to and open with and just about everything else that seems normal for kde in it. Finally, My Desktop is a desktop again. Well done!!! :) Eli -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.

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Sharing brand with upstream [Was: [Design-team] Building Brand Together]
by Jaroslav Reznik 18 Jun '09

18 Jun '09

Hi all! I talked to KDE artwork guys (mostly Pinheiro as he's responsible for it) and as result I think we (KDE SIG at least) should join this effort! Sounds great for me. So what is it NOT about? It's not about stealing Fedora identity and it's not about shipping default upstream wallpapers, logos etc. So what is it about? It's about cooperation and marketing both brands together so everyone can distinguish between Fedora and KDE (Gnome, other DE, OS etc...) but with strong visual feeling - I'm using KDE/Gnome/... on Fedora. Actual proposal from them sounds like: We have selected our codename for future Fedora release and our design team prepare artwork (or mockups, depends on time), upstream joins this effort and they combine our theme with their current theme (so now it's Leonidas and Air = Airy Leonidas :D) to match together. What does it mean for us? Visually consistent and rich desktop environments with strong brand feeling for both upstream and downstream. What we have to/should do? We need our artwork as soon as possible and after F11 process I think we should reconsider design strategy. I know where the problem was, from Mairín's comments in my blog post. We should do our best to avoid it for future releases. Of course - it means lot of communication and you know... Only for KDE and Fedora? No, OpenSuse, (K)Ubuntu already accepted this offer, I'm not sure if Gnome is planning anything similar. This is really in beginnings and maybe some IRC meeting with all interested parties would be useful. I think it's a nice idea, sounds great (even I'm not Apple fan :D) and it can be considered by other DE's teams (upstream/downstream) either. All sides could gain profit from it. So what do you think about it? Jaroslav On Saturday 06 June 2009 06:50:39 Ujjwol Lamichhane wrote: > As a Fedora KDE user i am forwarding this link to Fedora Artwork Team and > KDE Fedora.... -- Jaroslav Řezník <jreznik(a)redhat.com> Associate Software Engineer - Base Operating Systems Brno Office: +420 532 294 275 Mobile: +420 731 455 332 Red Hat, Inc. http://cz.redhat.com/

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FESCo Elections: Vote for KDE SIG - vote for me!
by Kevin Kofler 17 Jun '09

17 Jun '09

Hi, first of all, my apologies to the fellow EU citizens who must be sick and tired of electoral campaigning by now. ;-) Do you want the KDE SIG to be represented in FESCo? Do you want KDE to get treated as a first-class citizen in Fedora? Do you want to stop the misleading abuse of the word "desktop" to mean "GNOME"? Are you fed up of proposed censorship of things like country flags which destroys our right to free speech and hurts KDE? Or maybe you are unhappy with the current FESCo and want to give a chance to a new face? If so, vote for "Kevin Kofler (Kevin_Kofler)" at the FESCo elections, starting tonight at midnight UTC. My answers to the election questionnaire can be found here: http://fpaste.org/paste/14139 A reminder: to vote for a candidate, you must give that candidate a HIGH score. In other words, if you want me to get elected, make sure you give me a score of 11 (which will be the highest possible score, given that there are 11 candidates). You are not required to rank all the candidates, you can give any arbitrary scores. (Giving 0 points to all the other candidates maximizes the chances of your favorite candidate getting elected.) See the official Fedora Election Guide at http://nigelj.fedorapeople.org/feg/ for more information. To be eligible for voting for FESCo, you must: * be registered in FAS, * have completed your CLA and * be a member of at least one other (non-CLA) FAS group (e.g. any of: packager, ambassadors, docs, art etc.). Your friendly FESCo candidate, Kevin Kofler

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