On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.11....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
-- Rex
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.11....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since * baloo migrates old nepomuk data * nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
Agree. It no longer runs and the features don't work - so why have it?
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:11 AM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.11....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since
- baloo migrates old nepomuk data
- nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
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While I'm not a SIG member, may I suggest that a.) Nepomuk will be dropped in favor of Baloo and b.) Post announcements via the usual channels ( http://fedoramagazine.org , Google+, Facebook, etc.) that an update will be released and explain that the index will be recreated / converted and that this may take a while. We did the same back in the day when Nepomuk 2.0 succeeded 1.x in the official kde.org announcement, resulting in IIRC zero "Nepomuk got buggy and eats CPU" complaints. http://kde.org/announcements/4.11/platform.php
Markus
On Monday 23 June 2014 11:11:41 Rex Dieter wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.1 1.10-2.fc20
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since
- baloo migrates old nepomuk data
- nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
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On Monday 23 of June 2014 11:11:41 Rex Dieter wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.1 1.10-2.fc20
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
+1, kill it with fire
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since
- baloo migrates old nepomuk data
I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are reindexed from scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo is.
- nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
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On Tuesday 24 June 2014 10:41:09 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are reindexed from scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo is.
True but it should be communicated nonetheless. I'd volunteer to write a few lines if you guys would spread them over the channels.
Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Tuesday 24 June 2014 10:41:09 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
I think that only tags are migrated (?), files and PIM data are reindexed from scratch, but that does not matter given how fast and effective Baloo is.
True but it should be communicated nonetheless. I'd volunteer to write a few lines if you guys would spread them over the channels.
Yes, please do, that would be very welcome. Thanks.
-- Rex
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please proofread it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications 4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update. The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits. However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of data stored on your hard drive. Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and more.
Further reading: KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/ KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search - http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New Desktop Search Configuration - http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module - http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Markus Slopianka kamikazow@gmx.de wrote:
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please proofread it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications 4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update. The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits. However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of data stored on your hard drive. Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and more.
Further reading: KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/ KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search - http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New Desktop Search Configuration - http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module - http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
It is our pleasure to announce immediate availability of KDE Applications 4.13 for Fedora 20[1]. Due to extended release period of Fedora 21, we would like our users to continue to experience the latest features and bug-fixes from upstream.
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2]. Baloo brings significantly faster searching and indexing, more relevant search results, improved reliability, lower resource usage and less data storage. The upgrade requires database migration that should be handled automatically for you by the upgrade which may require temporary increased processing power. Several of the KDE applications have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are expected make the switch. The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
-KDE SIG Team.
[1] http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/ [2] http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search [3] http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ [4] http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
Thought to flex some writing muscle. Thanks Markus Slopianka. Hope it helps.
On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 09:18 +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
It is our pleasure to announce immediate availability of KDE
... the immediate availability ...
Applications 4.13 for Fedora 20[1]. Due to extended release period of
... the extended release period ...
Fedora 21, we would like our users to continue to experience the latest features and bug-fixes from upstream.
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2]. Baloo
Baloo doesn't deprecate Nepomuk, it replaces it. The devels deprecate it.
brings significantly faster searching and indexing, more relevant search results, improved reliability, lower resource usage and less data storage.
Does "less data storage" mean it stores less data, or that the data is stored more efficiently?
The upgrade requires database migration that should be handled automatically for you by the upgrade which may require
... upgrade. This may require ...
temporary increased processing power. Several of the KDE applications have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are expected make the switch.
... to make the switch ...
The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module
... minimalist [or minimal] ...
for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
Either:
Baloo[3]. However, users with ...
or
Baloo[3], though users ...
(assuming the references are correct)
poc
On Thursday 26 June 2014 09:18:04 Sudhir Khanger wrote:
This major release of KDE SC 4.13 introduces Baloo, an improved semantic search infrastructure, which deprecates Nepomuk[2].
It's not "SC", just "Applications". KDE Semantic Search became a name, therefore you write it in capital letters.
Several of the KDE applications have already been ported to Baloo while downstream applications are expected make the switch.
Not sure if 'upstream-downstream' jargon is good....
The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
'Minimalistic' comes across as an insult...
Markus Slopianka wrote:
On Thursday 26 June 2014 09:18:04 Sudhir Khanger wrote:
The upstream ships a minimalistic KCM module for management of Baloo[3]. Although users with advanced needs are advised to look into baloo-kcmadv[4].
'Minimalistic' comes across as an insult...
No, it's still an euphemism, "crippled" would be the correct word.
Kevin Kofler (who thinks baloo-kcmadv should be the default and the crippled one dropped from Fedora entirely)
On Friday 11 July 2014 19:41:54 Kevin Kofler wrote:
No, it's still an euphemism, "crippled" would be the correct word.
Kevin Kofler (who thinks baloo-kcmadv should be the default and the crippled one dropped from Fedora entirely)
Advanced users have no problems installing packages afterwards, esp. when it's documented. I see no problem.
What happened to posting this announcement?
On Thursday 26 June 2014 04:50:27 Markus Slopianka wrote:
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please proofread it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications 4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update. The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits. However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of data stored on your hard drive. Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and more.
Further reading: KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/ KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search - http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New Desktop Search Configuration - http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module - http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
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Sorry, I dropped the ball sending this out (and am now in remote location with bad internet on vacation). Any other KDE-SIGer able/willing to send out any semi-official announcement about it?
Otherwise, I can early next week.
-- rex
Markus Slopianka wrote:
What happened to posting this announcement?
On Thursday 26 June 2014 04:50:27 Markus Slopianka wrote:
Here's the announcement. I wrote it late in the night, so please proofread it. A typo here and there may have slipped through.
Fedora's KDE team is pleased to announce the release of KDE Applications 4.13.2 as regular Fedora 20 update. The team is breaking habit a little bit: Usually only one bigger version jump of KDE Applications is shipped as Fedora update. However, the prolonged Fedora 21 release cycle and the fact that 4.13 passed Fedora's testing made the decision to ship 4.13 easy.
The biggest change in 4.13 is the switch of KDE Semantic Search's back-end from Nepomuk to Baloo which brings many performance and stability benefits. However, due this change the search index needs to be rebuilt. Reindexing happens automatically. How long this procedure takes depends on the amount of data stored on your hard drive. Part of this Semantic Search overhaul is a new configuration module. It's designed to be simpler for average users. More experienced users may be interested in installing <tt>baloo-kcmadv</tt>.
Other new features of 4.13 are advancements in Kontact, Kate, Dolphin, and more.
Further reading: KDE Applications 4.13 announcement - http://kde.org/announcements/4.13/ KDE's Next Generation Semantic Search - http://kdenews.org/2014/02/24/kdes-next-generation-semantic-search New Desktop Search Configuration - http://vhanda.in/blog/2014/04/desktop-search-configuration/ baloo-kcmadv, alternate Baloo KCM Module - http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-devel&m=139824228003252&w=2
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Dne 23.6.2014 18:11, Rex Dieter napsal(a):
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.11....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since
- baloo migrates old nepomuk data
- nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really work
anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
+1 remove it
On 06/24/2014 05:00 AM, Lukáš Tinkl wrote:
Dne 23.6.2014 18:11, Rex Dieter napsal(a):
Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/22/2014 07:20 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote:
Hi. Not sure why it seems to happen with every update but once again kde-workspace 4.11.10 tries to install Nepomuk. ;-)
Is there anything we can do to help fix this?
it's just that the nepomuk-free kde-workspace build from kde-unstable got superceded by a recent update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2014-7457/kde-workspace-4.11....
We have concrete plans to start work on brining kde-4.13.x to f20 officially, but I guess we haven't decided on how best to deal with the nepomuk transition yet (ie, whether remove nepomuk-related deps from core kde packages or not).
OK, kde-sig members, please add your opinion this topic ^^.
I think I'm of a mind to removing optional nepomuk-related deps when kde-4.13.x lands, since
- baloo migrates old nepomuk data
- nepomukserver no longer runs, so the related features don't really
work anymore (afaik).
-- Rex
+1 remove it
Another +1 from me.
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