I've been following the threads about the problems with Kmail2 and was kinda worried before upgrading to F16. And right enough, I had two days of post- traumatic flashbacks to the KDE3-KDE4 transition, but after som trial and error I've found it rather good. Some quirks, sure, but in my experience they are more related to akonadi and kwallet than Kmail itself:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. I need to restart it every time. After a akonadi restart kmail can read mail again, if you don't restart kmail will hang and show the "Fetching folder...." screen forever.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out (claiming to be open, but contain no user/passwd info) and thus kmail will hang on fetching mail. A Disable kwallet - Apply - Enable kwallet - Apply cycle in System Settings will bring things back into order again.
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out and you cannot jump to the next message with the keyboard. Selecting another message or folder with the mouse brings things back in order again.
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, I deleted all local caches and setup everything fresh. I'm using imap exclusively and do all filtering with procmail on the server side so it didn't matter, this might not be an option for people using local mail folders...
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
Thanks for all the good work done by the maintainers, r.
Roy Dragseth wrote:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go,
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
With good reviews like this lets hope it doesn't get any bad ones!
I too have had - and still have - various non-fatal problems with KMail2, and am continuing to use it. As they used to say, "Close, but no cigar".
I've got a new minor problem, and I'm interested to know if anyone else has it. I'm using KMail2 on my laptop exclusively with IMAP/dovecot on a local server; and with Fedora-16/KMail2 on the laptop I get a frequent message on the laptop that contact with the server has been lost. This doesn't seem to have any adverse effect; I still seem get new email and am able to read it.
Another minor symptom: I sometimes get the message "Please wait" (or something to that effect) and the message screen is hidden. I find I have to logout or re-boot, after which the emails appear.
On Wednesday, November 30, 2011 01:22:53 Timothy Murphy wrote:
Roy Dragseth wrote:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go,
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
With good reviews like this lets hope it doesn't get any bad ones!
I try to keep things on a positive note ;-)
I too have had - and still have - various non-fatal problems with KMail2, and am continuing to use it. As they used to say, "Close, but no cigar".
I've got a new minor problem, and I'm interested to know if anyone else has it. I'm using KMail2 on my laptop exclusively with IMAP/dovecot on a local server; and with Fedora-16/KMail2 on the laptop I get a frequent message on the laptop that contact with the server has been lost. This doesn't seem to have any adverse effect; I still seem get new email and am able to read it.
Another minor symptom: I sometimes get the message "Please wait" (or something to that effect) and the message screen is hidden. I find I have to logout or re-boot, after which the emails appear.
This sounds like the kwallet-problems. Have you tried to Disable/Enable the wallet system instead of logout/rebooting?
r.
On Wed November 30 2011 1:22:53 AM Timothy Murphy wrote:
I too have had - and still have - various non-fatal problems with KMail2, and am continuing to use it. As they used to say, "Close, but no cigar".
I've got a new minor problem, and I'm interested to know if anyone else has it. I'm using KMail2 on my laptop exclusively with IMAP/dovecot on a local server; and with Fedora-16/KMail2 on the laptop I get a frequent message on the laptop that contact with the server has been lost. This doesn't seem to have any adverse effect; I still seem get new email and am able to read it.
Another minor symptom: I sometimes get the message "Please wait" (or something to that effect) and the message screen is hidden. I find I have to logout or re-boot, after which the emails appear.
What I do, when this happens, is I close KMail and then in a console window, I run "sudo pkill imap" about a half-dozen times followed by "sudo pkill pop3" a half-dozen times, then "sudo pkill kmail" a half-dozen times then "akonadictl stop" two or three times until I get the message that Akonadi is not running. Then I am able to start KMail back up and all is good with the world for awhile (anywhere from a few hours to a few days.)
On 11/29/2011 8:22 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Roy Dragseth wrote:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
With good reviews like this lets hope it doesn't get any bad ones!
my reaction too - it's unacceptable - I've just wasted another hour fidgeting with it
Hows this for a bad review.... :)
I get kmail crashing frequently when trying to load external html sources. When migrating, my filters got screwed (again... sigh). My local calendars did not migrate and I had to go and find them.
I tried to downgrade to 4.4.10 but I had problems with my filters again... So I upgraded again. While trying to figure out if I could do anything about my issues I blew away the newer .kde and restored my backup .kde. That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them. And I don't want to blow away the Akonadi db cause that will require me to rebuild all of my resources including kmail and that would require me to rebuild all of filters... again... sigh.
Eli
On Tuesday 29 November 2011 23:39:24 Roy Dragseth wrote:
I've been following the threads about the problems with Kmail2 and was kinda worried before upgrading to F16. And right enough, I had two days of post- traumatic flashbacks to the KDE3-KDE4 transition, but after som trial and error I've found it rather good. Some quirks, sure, but in my experience they are more related to akonadi and kwallet than Kmail itself:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. I need to restart it every time. After a akonadi restart kmail can read mail again, if you don't restart kmail will hang and show the "Fetching folder...." screen forever.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out (claiming to be open, but contain no user/passwd info) and thus kmail will hang on fetching mail. A Disable kwallet - Apply - Enable kwallet - Apply cycle in System Settings will bring things back into order again.
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out and you cannot jump to the next message with the keyboard. Selecting another message or folder with the mouse brings things back in order again.
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, I deleted all local caches and setup everything fresh. I'm using imap exclusively and do all filtering with procmail on the server side so it didn't matter, this might not be an option for people using local mail folders...
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
Thanks for all the good work done by the maintainers, r.
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 07:36:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
[snip]
That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them.
[snip]
Hi Eli,
I had some sort of the same issue with a orphaned address book. I manually had removed some personal contacts resources in ./config/akonadi - never do that :-). To solve it I:
1. Find the missing resource: in Akonadi Console go to Browser and right click on the name In your case Local Notes. Choose Folder Properties -> Internals. There you see the Owner. The name can be something like akonadi_aknotes_resource_<nr>. Remember <nr>. Close the Akonadi Console.
2. Go to System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal Information -> Akonadi Resources Configuration. Add notes resources as much as the number <nr> you found in Akonadi Console.
3. Now remove added the resources from within System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal Information.
In my case my orphaned address book was gone :-)
Hope this will help you too.
Martin Kho
Hi Martin
That's my problem... LOL. The orphaned resource cannot be found in the Akonadi Console... It's just in the notebook section of Kontact.... o_o taunting me o_o ... daring me o_o to blow away the akonadi db and start everything from scratch..... Aaaaaaaaaah. Nihtmare on Kdepim Street :D
Eli
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 07:36:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
[snip]
That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them.
[snip]
Hi Eli,
I had some sort of the same issue with a orphaned address book. I manually had removed some personal contacts resources in ./config/akonadi - never do that :-). To solve it I:
- Find the missing resource: in Akonadi Console go to Browser and
right click on the name In your case Local Notes. Choose Folder Properties -> Internals. There you see the Owner. The name can be something like akonadi_aknotes_resource_<nr>. Remember <nr>. Close the Akonadi Console.
- Go to System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal Information ->
Akonadi Resources Configuration. Add notes resources as much as the number <nr> you found in Akonadi Console.
- Now remove added the resources from within System Settings -> Akonadi
Configuration or Personal Information.
In my case my orphaned address book was gone :-)
Hope this will help you too.
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On Wednesday 30 November 2011 11:40:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Hi Martin
That's my problem... LOL. The orphaned resource cannot be found in the Akonadi Console... It's just in the notebook section of Kontact.... o_o taunting me o_o ... daring me o_o to blow away the akonadi db and start everything from scratch..... Aaaaaaaaaah. Nihtmare on Kdepim Street :D
Hi Eli,
That's weird. Are you sure the entry is in the akonadi db and not somewhere else hanging around in a config file (e.g. in ~/.kde/config/kresources/notes/)?
Martin Kho
Eli
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 07:36:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
[snip]
That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them.
[snip]
Hi Eli,
I had some sort of the same issue with a orphaned address book. I manually had removed some personal contacts resources in ./config/akonadi - never do that> :-). To solve it I:
- Find the missing resource: in Akonadi Console go to Browser and
right click on the name In your case Local Notes. Choose Folder Properties -> Internals. There you see the Owner. The name can be something like akonadi_aknotes_resource_<nr>. Remember <nr>. Close the Akonadi Console.
- Go to System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal
Information -> Akonadi Resources Configuration. Add notes resources as much as the number <nr> you found in Akonadi Console.
- Now remove added the resources from within System Settings -> Akonadi
Configuration or Personal Information.
In my case my orphaned address book was gone :-)
Hope this will help you too.
Martin Kho _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 11:40:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Hi Martin
That's my problem... LOL. The orphaned resource cannot be found in the Akonadi Console... It's just in the notebook section of Kontact.... o_o taunting me o_o ... daring me o_o to blow away the akonadi db and start everything from scratch..... Aaaaaaaaaah. Nihtmare on Kdepim Street :D
Hi Eli,
That's weird. Are you sure the entry is in the akonadi db and not somewhere else hanging around in a config file (e.g. in ~/.kde/config/kresources/notes/)?
Martin Kho
Eli
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 07:36:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
[snip]
That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them.
[snip]
Hi Eli,
I had some sort of the same issue with a orphaned address book. I manually had removed some personal contacts resources in ./config/akonadi - never do that> :-). To solve it I:
- Find the missing resource: in Akonadi Console go to Browser and
right click on the name In your case Local Notes. Choose Folder Properties -> Internals. There you see the Owner. The name can be something like akonadi_aknotes_resource_<nr>. Remember <nr>. Close the Akonadi Console.
- Go to System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal
Information -> Akonadi Resources Configuration. Add notes resources as much as the number <nr> you found in Akonadi Console.
- Now remove added the resources from within System Settings -> Akonadi
Configuration or Personal Information.
In my case my orphaned address book was gone :-)
Hope this will help you too.
Martin Kho
Yep
Eli
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 16:01:45 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 11:40:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Hi Martin
That's my problem... LOL. The orphaned resource cannot be found in the Akonadi Console... It's just in the notebook section of Kontact.... o_o taunting me o_o ... daring me o_o to blow away the akonadi db and start everything from scratch..... Aaaaaaaaaah. Nihtmare on Kdepim Street :D
Hi Eli,
That's weird. Are you sure the entry is in the akonadi db and not somewhere else hanging around in a config file (e.g. in ~/.kde/config/kresources/notes/)?
Martin Kho
Eli
Quoting Martin Kho lists.kho@gmail.com:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 07:36:36 Eli Wapniarski wrote:
[snip]
That left me with an orphaned kjots resource "Local Notes" with no easy way to edit the Akonadi db to remove them.
[snip]
Hi Eli,
I had some sort of the same issue with a orphaned address book. I manually had removed some personal contacts resources in ./config/akonadi - never do that>
:-). To solve it I:
- Find the missing resource: in Akonadi Console go to Browser and
right click on the name In your case Local Notes. Choose Folder Properties -> Internals. There you see the Owner. The name can be something like akonadi_aknotes_resource_<nr>. Remember <nr>. Close the Akonadi Console.
- Go to System Settings -> Akonadi Configuration or Personal
Information -> Akonadi Resources Configuration. Add notes resources as much as the number <nr> you found in Akonadi Console.
- Now remove added the resources from within System Settings ->
Akonadi Configuration or Personal Information.
In my case my orphaned address book was gone :-)
Hope this will help you too.
Martin Kho
Yep
Sorry, I'm out of ideas. May be a mysql-guru can help hacking your tables :-)
Martin Kho
Eli
Am 29.11.2011 23:39, schrieb Roy Dragseth:
I've been following the threads about the problems with Kmail2 and was kinda worried before upgrading to F16. And right enough, I had two days of post- traumatic flashbacks to the KDE3-KDE4 transition, but after som trial and error I've found it rather good. Some quirks, sure, but in my experience they are more related to akonadi and kwallet than Kmail itself:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. I need to restart it every time. After a akonadi restart kmail can read mail again, if you don't restart kmail will hang and show the "Fetching folder...." screen forever.
I don't use suspend/resume on my desktop machine (this is a no-go for NFS driven clients), so no clue here.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out (claiming to be open, but contain no user/passwd info) and thus kmail will hang on fetching mail. A Disable kwallet - Apply - Enable kwallet - Apply cycle in System Settings will bring things back into order again.
I use kerberos to authenticate so no wallet in the way.
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out and you cannot jump to the next message with the keyboard. Selecting another message or folder with the mouse brings things back in order again.
I never saw this. But my kmail2 experience is limited to three days.
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, I deleted all local caches and setup everything fresh. I'm using imap exclusively and do all filtering with procmail on the server side so it didn't matter, this might not be an option for people using local mail folders...
Same for me. I tried kmail2 somewhere in March this year and did run the migration with many lost mails. My tip: If you can make a clean new start with kmail2, esp. with IMAP and server side filtering.
Only "Problem" I have: My global search in kmail2 is not working as expected. I have about hundred mails with a specific sender but searching for the sender brings only one mail.
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
Definitely. There are some things to learn (fine tuning nepomuk and akonadi) but nothing bad.
Martin
Thanks for all the good work done by the maintainers, r.
Hi,
I started with a clean config, so I can't say much about migration. But it still is far from flawless.
Creating new imap accounts with identities is really a pain. The account wizard should be in the settings, not in "Tools". I created three imap accounts with corresponding Identities by hand before I found it. And even with the account wizzard, you have to set the folders for "sent", "drafts" and "trash" manually.
At the beginning I got errors about the "Local Folders". They only stopped after I removed the Akonadi ressource and restarted everything. The ressource was added again automatically, but the one test message I put in there was lost in the process. I hope the same thing does not also happen during a migration with real mail in the folders.
Now to the things that still don't work properly:
* I can't get Kmail2 to check for new mails on start, although I have selected it in the options. I still have to wait for the regular check intervall to pass.
* Sometimes mails I have read on an imap account become unread again (or even undeleted) after the next mail check. I have to manually mark the mail as read again afterwards.
* Sometimes I can not read mails for an account and I get a message like "can not fetch mail in offline mode". I don't know why it thiks I'm offline, but it works again after selecting "Work Offline" and "Work Online" in "File".
* "Allow this time" for kdewallet is no longer feasible. kmail1 asked one time on start, with kmail2 I now get one dialog per account.
I think I'll give reverting to kmail1 (using my old kmail1 config) a try.
Regards,
Lukas
On Tuesday 29 November 2011 23:39:24 Roy Dragseth wrote:
I've been following the threads about the problems with Kmail2 and was kinda worried before upgrading to F16. And right enough, I had two days of post- traumatic flashbacks to the KDE3-KDE4 transition, but after som trial and error I've found it rather good. Some quirks, sure, but in my experience they are more related to akonadi and kwallet than Kmail itself:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. I need to restart it every time. After a akonadi restart kmail can read mail again, if you don't restart kmail will hang and show the "Fetching folder...." screen forever.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out (claiming to be open, but contain no user/passwd info) and thus kmail will hang on fetching mail. A Disable kwallet - Apply - Enable kwallet - Apply cycle in System Settings will bring things back into order again.
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out and you cannot jump to the next message with the keyboard. Selecting another message or folder with the mouse brings things back in order again.
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, I deleted all local caches and setup everything fresh. I'm using imap exclusively and do all filtering with procmail on the server side so it didn't matter, this might not be an option for people using local mail folders...
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
Thanks for all the good work done by the maintainers, r.
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 12:28:21 Lukas Middendorf wrote:
Hi,
I started with a clean config, so I can't say much about migration. But it still is far from flawless.
Creating new imap accounts with identities is really a pain. The account wizard should be in the settings, not in "Tools". I created three imap accounts with corresponding Identities by hand before I found it. And even with the account wizzard, you have to set the folders for "sent", "drafts" and "trash" manually.
Hi,
Have you ever looked into kmail2rc? I have 44 folder entries in there for 17 real folders in kmail2. Not really funny and this can't be good IMHO.
Martin Kho
At the beginning I got errors about the "Local Folders". They only stopped after I removed the Akonadi ressource and restarted everything. The ressource was added again automatically, but the one test message I put in there was lost in the process. I hope the same thing does not also happen during a migration with real mail in the folders.
Now to the things that still don't work properly:
- I can't get Kmail2 to check for new mails on start, although I have
selected it in the options. I still have to wait for the regular check intervall to pass.
- Sometimes mails I have read on an imap account become unread again (or
even undeleted) after the next mail check. I have to manually mark the mail as read again afterwards.
- Sometimes I can not read mails for an account and I get a message like
"can not fetch mail in offline mode". I don't know why it thiks I'm offline, but it works again after selecting "Work Offline" and "Work Online" in "File".
- "Allow this time" for kdewallet is no longer feasible. kmail1 asked one
time on start, with kmail2 I now get one dialog per account.
I think I'll give reverting to kmail1 (using my old kmail1 config) a try.
Regards,
Lukas
On Tuesday 29 November 2011 23:39:24 Roy Dragseth wrote:
I've been following the threads about the problems with Kmail2 and was kinda worried before upgrading to F16. And right enough, I had two days of post- traumatic flashbacks to the KDE3-KDE4 transition, but after som trial and error I've found it rather good. Some quirks, sure, but in my experience they are more related to akonadi and kwallet than Kmail itself:
o akonadi doesn't like suspend/resumes on my laptop. I need to restart it every time. After a akonadi restart kmail can read mail again, if you don't restart kmail will hang and show the "Fetching folder...." screen forever.
o sometimes the kwalletd will bomb out (claiming to be open, but contain no user/passwd info) and thus kmail will hang on fetching mail. A Disable kwallet - Apply - Enable kwallet - Apply cycle in System Settings will bring things back into order again.
o often the Next/Prev Message in the Go menu are grayed out and you cannot jump to the next message with the keyboard. Selecting another message or folder with the mouse brings things back in order again.
Trying to convert the Kmail1 mail caches was a no-go, I deleted all local caches and setup everything fresh. I'm using imap exclusively and do all filtering with procmail on the server side so it didn't matter, this might not be an option for people using local mail folders...
So, all in all, kmail2 was better than feared for my use.
Thanks for all the good work done by the maintainers, r.
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