A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
I always use (and always have used) KMail, and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
I think that all the email in question is sent to mailing lists. Also, some if not all the people who complain mention google or gmail, I'm not sure why.
On 01/25/2010 09:28 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
That's not a simple question to answer. The complex part is that each ISP generally has it's own mechanisms and sets of rule on how/why to label spam.
But I can tell you what's contained in the header of this message you just posted,
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on bastion2.fedora.phx.redhat.com X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII (7%) X-Spam-Status: No
So, this one in particular, isn't bad.
-- Rex
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
On 01/25/2010 09:28 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
That's not a simple question to answer. The complex part is that each ISP generally has it's own mechanisms and sets of rule on how/why to label spam.
But I can tell you what's contained in the header of this message you just posted,
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on bastion2.fedora.phx.redhat.com X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII (7%) X-Spam-Status: No
So, this one in particular, isn't bad.
Gmail things all his emails are bad. This one had the warning: "Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be."
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 12:50 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
On 01/25/2010 09:28 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
That's not a simple question to answer. The complex part is that each ISP generally has it's own mechanisms and sets of rule on how/why to label spam.
But I can tell you what's contained in the header of this message you just posted,
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on bastion2.fedora.phx.redhat.com X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII (7%) X-Spam-Status: No
So, this one in particular, isn't bad.
Gmail things all his emails are bad. This one had the warning: "Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be."
Not here it doesn't. I get the list via Gmail, including Timothy's posts, and none of it is marked as suspicious.
poc
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 12:57 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 12:50 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:05 AM, Rex Dieter rdieter@math.unl.edu wrote:
On 01/25/2010 09:28 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
That's not a simple question to answer. The complex part is that each ISP generally has it's own mechanisms and sets of rule on how/why to label spam.
But I can tell you what's contained in the header of this message you just posted,
X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on bastion2.fedora.phx.redhat.com X-Spam-Level: IIIIIII (7%) X-Spam-Status: No
So, this one in particular, isn't bad.
Gmail things all his emails are bad. This one had the warning: "Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be."
Not here it doesn't. I get the list via Gmail, including Timothy's posts, and none of it is marked as suspicious.
Interesting, the only reason I get any of his posts is because of a filter I put in.
Either way, the email headers suggests why his emails are considered spam.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam.
[snip]
I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
That _may_ be the problem. Many mail servers black-list port 25 connections from ISP network addresses. I long ago changed my configuration to use my ISP's mail server designated as its relay for customer use. If I send mail directly from my machine to the destination, it often is filtered because it comes from the black-listed network.
I believe this is an attempt to cut down on zombie-sourced spam.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam.
Yah, I actually have a filter setup just for you so that you don't go to my spam folder.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:28 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
I always use (and always have used) KMail, and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
I haven't looked hard at email for awhile now, so I may be a bit rusty...
But looking at the raw email, you seem to be sending the emails:
your computer > gmane > target mailing list.
Since neither your computer or gmane is eircom.net, it's fairly logical to assume that you aren't really the sender of the email, and is therefore spam.
You want to use the SMTP servers provided by eircom.net to send your email. So:
your computer > eircom.net SMTP > target mailing list.
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I always use (and always have used) KMail,
and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
But looking at the raw email, you seem to be sending the emails:
your computer > gmane > target mailing list.
Since neither your computer or gmane is eircom.net, it's fairly logical to assume that you aren't really the sender of the email, and is therefore spam.
You want to use the SMTP servers provided by eircom.net to send your email. So:
your computer > eircom.net SMTP > target mailing list.
Thanks very much for all the responses, and the advice, especially the above.
I see that I had MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(gayleard.com)dnl in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc on my laptop, that being the name of my home web-server. I guess I must have set this at some point, perhaps when I had ideas above my station.
I've changed this to MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(eircom.net)dnl that being the name of my ISP. Hopefully this will assuage the spam thought-police.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I always use (and always have used) KMail,
and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
But looking at the raw email, you seem to be sending the emails:
your computer > gmane > target mailing list.
Since neither your computer or gmane is eircom.net, it's fairly logical to assume that you aren't really the sender of the email, and is therefore spam.
You want to use the SMTP servers provided by eircom.net to send your email. So:
your computer > eircom.net SMTP > target mailing list.
Thanks very much for all the responses, and the advice, especially the above.
I see that I had MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(gayleard.com)dnl in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc on my laptop, that being the name of my home web-server. I guess I must have set this at some point, perhaps when I had ideas above my station.
I've changed this to MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(eircom.net)dnl that being the name of my ISP. Hopefully this will assuage the spam thought-police.
That at least helps. Ideally you would just use your ISPs SMTP servers though, instead of your own sendmail.
On Mon, 2010-01-25 at 13:43 -0600, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I always use (and always have used) KMail,
and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
But looking at the raw email, you seem to be sending the emails:
your computer > gmane > target mailing list.
Since neither your computer or gmane is eircom.net, it's fairly logical to assume that you aren't really the sender of the email, and is therefore spam.
You want to use the SMTP servers provided by eircom.net to send your email. So:
your computer > eircom.net SMTP > target mailing list.
Thanks very much for all the responses, and the advice, especially the above.
I see that I had MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(gayleard.com)dnl in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc on my laptop, that being the name of my home web-server. I guess I must have set this at some point, perhaps when I had ideas above my station.
I've changed this to MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(eircom.net)dnl that being the name of my ISP. Hopefully this will assuage the spam thought-police.
That at least helps. Ideally you would just use your ISPs SMTP servers though, instead of your own sendmail.
Slightly OT, but I just use Gmail for SMTP too. That way I get an indexed copy of everything I send without any extra work (of course, so does Google ...)
poc
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Arthur Pemberton pemboa@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:27 PM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
Arthur Pemberton wrote:
I always use (and always have used) KMail,
and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
But looking at the raw email, you seem to be sending the emails:
your computer > gmane > target mailing list.
Since neither your computer or gmane is eircom.net, it's fairly logical to assume that you aren't really the sender of the email, and is therefore spam.
You want to use the SMTP servers provided by eircom.net to send your email. So:
your computer > eircom.net SMTP > target mailing list.
Thanks very much for all the responses, and the advice, especially the above.
I see that I had MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(gayleard.com)dnl in /etc/mail/sendmail.mc on my laptop, that being the name of my home web-server. I guess I must have set this at some point, perhaps when I had ideas above my station.
I've changed this to MASQUERADE_DOMAIN(eircom.net)dnl that being the name of my ISP. Hopefully this will assuage the spam thought-police.
That at least helps. Ideally you would just use your ISPs SMTP servers though, instead of your own sendmail.
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You can use sendmail with your ISP's SMTP servers too by making sendmail a smart relay. I use this snippet with new installs to achieve it:
{ SMTP_SERVER=mail.optonline.net DATE=$(date +%Y%m%d-%H%M%S) sed -i.$DATE -e 's/^DS.*/DS'$SMTP_SERVER'/' /etc/mail/sendmail.cf diff /etc/mail/sendmail.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf.$DATE service sendmail restart }
Yes, that is modifying sendmail.cf directly (slaps wrist with a feather boa) but its the only config change I ever make, so it works for me :)
You can use sendmail with your ISP's SMTP servers too by making sendmail a smart relay. I use this snippet with new installs to achieve it:
Or just use ESMTP (http://esmtp.sourceforge.net/) much easier.
On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Timothy Murphy gayleard@eircom.net wrote:
A number of people have been telling me for some time (months if not years) that my email is being defined as spam. [This is email that could not by any stretch of the imagination be considered as spam, even by the thought-police.]
I always use (and always have used) KMail, and I don't see anything odd in my settings. I use the default sendmail for sending email, which could conceivably be the cause of the problem.
I wonder if anyone has come across this, and can offer an expanation and if possible a solution?
I think that all the email in question is sent to mailing lists. Also, some if not all the people who complain mention google or gmail, I'm not sure why.
I frequently get this with gmail (including this email), but if I report it as non-spam (actually report as non-phishing) a few times it goes away for a low number of months.
As noted elsewhere, gmail comes up with the following:
Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information. Learn more
The learn more link is http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?hl=en&ctx=mail&answer=8...
Not sure if the knowledge that its being detected as phishing rather than actual spam is of any help, but maybe some insight is better than nothing?
I would make the assumption that the body of your emails are not being detected as spam which leaves either the headers or the signature, or a combination of the two. If all else fails, you could try removing/altering the signature?
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