I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
I could not get a snapshot of "Window Under Cursor" no matter what I did I got Full Screen. In the case of one system with dual monitors I got both screens. I changed Window Behavior to "Click to focus" just in case. That made no difference.
I tried this on a VM that had not been updated and it works as expected. So, I think the Plasma update is causing this.
Ed Greshko ha scritto:
I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
I could not get a snapshot of "Window Under Cursor" no matter what I did I got Full Screen. In the case of one system with dual monitors I got both screens. I changed Window Behavior to "Click to focus" just in case. That made no difference.
I tried this on a VM that had not been updated and it works as expected. So, I think the Plasma update is causing this.
ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications).
On 03/04/17 21:37, Luigi Toscano wrote:
ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications).
OK, I'll switch to that. I guess one doesn't notice these things when upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:42 AM, Ed Greshko ed.greshko@greshko.com wrote:
OK, I'll switch to that. I guess one doesn't notice these things when upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.
Yeah, I wasn't aware about that either... the information was out there, I just missed it also. Now I'm reading up to see what else I missed. http://news.softpedia.com/news/kde-applications-15-12-launches-for-kde-plasm...
Am 04.03.2017 um 19:09 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
Ed Greshko wrote:
OK, I'll switch to that. I guess one doesn't notice these things when upgrading from previous versions and it just keeps the "old" stuff.
Spectacle will obsolete KSnapshot in Fedora 26 and higher
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages.
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Reindl Harald h.reindl@thelounge.net wrote:
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
I understand your point - but many of the good names are probably already taken for something. Remember the issues Firefox had... first it was Phoenix, then it was Firebird, then it was Firefox - which was sufficiently obscure. Probably one of the last thing the KDE team wants to deal with is a copyright infringement claim.
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:44 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
I understand your point - but many of the good names are probably already taken for something. Remember the issues Firefox had... first it was Phoenix, then it was Firebird, then it was Firefox - which was sufficiently obscure. Probably one of the last thing the KDE team wants to deal with is a copyright infringement claim
Phoenix, Firebird and Firefox are bad examples none of them gives a hint what type of application it is
the same for "Spectacle"
well, what, kSnapshot was not possible so simply name it "kScreenshot" and set Provides/Obsoletes
kSnapshot, kdesvn, Kompare are good examples the "K" indicates it is a KDE or at least QT application it clearly states what the software is supposed to do
you really need to sell me "Spectacle" if i don't know it already...
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print".
No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story, which was open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie, initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of the old code). https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
Apart from this, please don't use "shitty" and "idiotic" anymore here, even if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be generally shared.
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Luigi Toscano luigi.toscano@tiscali.it wrote:
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
Is there more to this discussion? All I see is the developer of KScreenGenie wanting to rename the app to KSnapshot and a response telling him to obtain permission.
Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:50 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> wrote:
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2>
Is there more to this discussion? All I see is the developer of KScreenGenie wanting to rename the app to KSnapshot and a response telling him to obtain permission.
Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2
Then: https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2
There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and I can't check right now.
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Luigi Toscano luigi.toscano@tiscali.it wrote:
Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2
Then: https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2 https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2
There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and I can't check right now.
Thanks. I personally don't care what it is called - but it probably would have been best to keep the ksnapshot name if possible.
I notice the change from kscreengenie to kapture - but there doesn't seem to be any discussion on that decision; then all of a sudden the spectacle name just appears. The threads don't seem to explain that. The thread shows that there was a desire to appropriate the ksnapshot name by the developer, he was told to get permission... then the kapture name appears, followed by spectacle.
Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use that name for some reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used. No real surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision making progress.
Gerald B. Cox ha scritto:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Luigi Toscano <luigi.toscano@tiscali.it mailto:luigi.toscano@tiscali.it> wrote:
Uh, sorry, I wanted to link the previous part: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2 <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=143558773311876&w=2> Then: https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2 <https://marc.info/?t=144249220900001&r=1&w=2> https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2 <https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144308953809709&w=2> There may have been other discussions on IRC but I don't remember them and I can't check right now.
Thanks. I personally don't care what it is called - but it probably would have been best to keep the ksnapshot name if possible.
I notice the change from kscreengenie to kapture - but there doesn't seem to be any discussion on that decision; then all of a sudden the spectacle name just appears. The threads don't seem to explain that. The thread shows that there was a desire to appropriate the ksnapshot name by the developer, he was told to get permission... then the kapture name appears, followed by spectacle.
Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use that name for some reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used. No real surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision making progress.
Found the big thread:
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Luigi Toscano luigi.toscano@tiscali.it wrote:
Which goes back to my assumption that he wasn't able to use that name
for some
reason and then had to pick a name which wasn't already used. No real surprise there - but the supplied threads don't clearly show the decision making progress.
Found the big thread:
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html
Thanks for taking the time to find that. Also explains the move away from the "K" prefix.
Harald, it could have been worse... pixie, selfie? ROFL... but some folks liked those... it's all personal preference - hard to get everyone to agree.
Seriously though, as I mentioned above, I totally understand how difficult it can be to come up with a name that hasn't already been taken - and considering the floundering major corporations have gone through... ahem Google... this is nothing...
Il 04/03/2017 22:46, Luigi Toscano ha scritto:
Found the big thread:
https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q3/001581.html
This shows that the old joke "what is a camel? a horse designed by a commission", can be rephrased as
"what is a camel? a horse designed by a discussion list".
Giuliano
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print".
but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their machines and profiles for many years
No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story, which was open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie, initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of the old code). https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
KScreenGenie at least would not have been pointless
Apart from this, please don't use "shitty" and "idiotic" anymore here, even if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be generally shared
since it's an opionion it *does not need* to be shared because thats the nature of opinions and *no* i do not write a 500 lines large parapgraph when a simpel word clearly describes my opinion - otherwise i would have become a politican and not a IT guy
Am 04.03.2017 um 22:08 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great
decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print".
but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their machines and profiles for many years
oh and i need to know what packages are supposed to do when reported by "dnf leaves" as not required - i tend to cleanup my systems permanently, maybe one reaosn why my Fedora setup from 2011 still runs fine
No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story, which was open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie, initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of the old code). https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 has just a single follow-up post in the thread and that's it
if there are follow-up posts not replied corerctly somewhere in the internet i have 2 points:
* people not capable reply to a mail lack qualification for decisions * your link is useless
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 22:08 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great
decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print".
but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their machines and profiles for many years
oh and i need to know what packages are supposed to do when reported by "dnf leaves" as not required - i tend to cleanup my systems permanently, maybe one reaosn why my Fedora setup from 2011 still runs fine
As pointed out, Spectacle will forcibly replace KSnasphot in F26. It should have happened before, this is something to remember for the future, but probably not so much are those kind of replacements are definitely not frequent and this entire discussion is probably taking more energy than the replacement itself.
No need to think about strange reasons. You can follow the story, which was open and publicly discussed. This is the start of the Spectacle (KScreenGenie, initially) and the reason to write a new program (which uses relevant parts of the old code). https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-community/2015q2/001374.html
This is the discussion about the renaming: https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2
https://marc.info/?l=kde-core-devel&m=144025072413294&w=2 has just a single follow-up post in the thread and that's it
if there are follow-up posts not replied corerctly somewhere in the internet i have 2 points:
- people not capable reply to a mail lack qualification for decisions
- your link is useless
See my answer to the other email by Gerald (wrong copy-paste).
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print".
but i need to know it when i have to fix existing setups whre "print" after update don't work - there are people who don#t reinstall their machines and profiles for many years
Did it happen to you that print does not work after replacing KSnapshot with Spectacle?
Apart from this, please don't use "shitty" and "idiotic" anymore here, even if referred to a name. This is just an opinion and it may likely not be generally shared
since it's an opionion it *does not need* to be shared because thats the nature of opinions and *no* i do not write a 500 lines large parapgraph when a simpel word clearly describes my opinion - otherwise i would have become a politican and not a IT guy
You don't need 500 lines paragraph and this has nothing to do with politics and not even with "politically correct". This is a more basic level, and I don't get why it's difficult to understand it. Anyway, it was tried already and I don't need to understand it, there are rules for that.
Am 04.03.2017 um 22:21 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:50 schrieb Luigi Toscano:
Reindl Harald ha scritto:
Am 04.03.2017 um 21:34 schrieb Gerald B. Cox:
On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:47 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@thelounge.net mailto:h.reindl@thelounge.net> wrote:
oh yeah instead maintain / replace a for many years known application with a clear name introduce a new application with a idiotic (because pointsless) name - we really live in a great decade
Yeah Harald, that crossed my mind also - but my guess is that someone else developed the "Spectacle" application and either didn't like the "KSnapshot" name or wasn't allowed to use it. Contrast that with Google who can't seem to settle for a name: e.g. Google Talk, Hangouts, Messenger, Allo, Duo, Android Messages
projects like KDE *really* should introduce rules that shitty application names which don't give anybody a clue about what the applications is supposed to do are prohibited, especially when consider ot replace knowen and logical named ones
You don't need to know the name of an application which pop ups when you press "Print"
guess what happens when you assigned a application by hand and switched them for a shortcut - as long it does not provide the same binary name it just don#t work any longer since that settiungs are in teh userhome and no package has a business to touch user settings
guess what happens when you try to cleanup your system with "dnf leaves" and every package has a *idiotic* name like "spectacle" - you either remove it becaus eoyu don#t know what it is or you have to google for every package what the stuff is supposed to do
for *** which needs to re-install their systems and userprofile regulary that maybe don't matter - i prefer smarter setups and many of them are running for nearly 10 years - do the math F9 to F25
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:37:01 AM EST Luigi Toscano wrote:
Ed Greshko ha scritto:
I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
[snip]
ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications).
OK, thanks for that. The problem is that the new program was not started when pressing the PrintScreen key and the menu didn't show spectacle in the Graphics section along with ksnapshot.
I erased ksnapshot and then reassigned the PrintScreen key in settings. All is as it should be now.
Am 06.03.2017 um 18:02 schrieb Garry Williams:
On Saturday, March 4, 2017 8:37:01 AM EST Luigi Toscano wrote:
Ed Greshko ha scritto:
I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
[snip]
ksnapshot is unmaintained. Please switch to spectacle, which should be the default already (it has been for a while upstream as part of KDE Applications).
OK, thanks for that. The problem is that the new program was not started when pressing the PrintScreen key and the menu didn't show spectacle in the Graphics section along with ksnapshot.
I erased ksnapshot and then reassigned the PrintScreen key in settings. All is as it should be now.
yeah that happens always when well known things are renamed - many people reinstall their machines never and also don't purge their userhomes and settings because when that's the solution they could go back to Windows also...
a proper absoletion does that a) in the package and b) installs a symlink
On Saturday, 4 March 2017 13:31:54 GMT Ed Greshko wrote:
I've updated 2 systems to Plasma 5.9.3 and ksnapshot seems slightly broken.
I never realised it was still available/maintained I thought it had been replaced by Spectacle which works very well.
https://www.kde.org/applications/graphics/spectacle/
Colin