Begin in : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835852
Still can not figure out why the maintainer libqzeitgeist not concerned that ordinary users do not have the opportunity to not use unnecessary functionality for them (meaning the zeitgeist). Now the situation is that users do not even have the opportunity to remove the zeitgeist, but in fact should be the opposite: users wishing to use the zeitgeist, should to install it yourself. It's not just that, so you can easily disable the zeitgeist graphically, but the fact that the zeitgeist is optional, and should be to installed yourself, not without your knowledge.
On 07/02/2012 06:43 AM, Fl@sh wrote:
Begin in : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835852
Still can not figure out why the maintainer libqzeitgeist not concerned that ordinary users do not have the opportunity to not use unnecessary functionality for them (meaning the zeitgeist). Now the situation is that users do not even have the opportunity to remove the zeitgeist, but in fact should be the opposite: users wishing to use the zeitgeist, should to install it yourself. It's not just that, so you can easily disable the zeitgeist graphically, but the fact that the zeitgeist is optional, and should be to installed yourself, not without your knowledge.
If zeitgeist could be disabled (without uninstalling it), would that satisify you?
-- rex
If zeitgeist could be disabled (without uninstalling it), would that satisify you?
-- rex
Unfortunately, no. I think that KDE must comply with the modularity, which means that you can safely delete parts of KDE without losing the rest of the functionality. It is respectful of the freedom of users, and makes KDE more flexible. I think the developers and maintainers need to understand it and appreciate, too.
Unfortunately, no. I think that KDE must comply with the modularity, which means that you can safely delete parts of KDE without losing the rest of the functionality. It is respectful of the freedom of users, and makes KDE more flexible. I think the developers and maintainers need to understand it and appreciate, too.
If you can come up with a way to make things "just work" for all users *and* satisfy your desires, then we have a way forward.
As it is, these are conflicting goals.
Besides, I'd also prefer to have some sort of justification to spend time and energy on implementing what you want. So far, I've only seen "I don't want zeitgeist". You need to say *why*, and ideally, also back that up with evidence. Examples include: * zeitgeist has significant disk/storage requirements, ie, installing it requires X.Y GB of space * zeitgeist support incurs a significant cpu hit, chews X% cpu on my system * I don't want zeitgest recording all my activity, my unscientific user survey shows Y% kde users agree with me.
-- rex
If you can come up with a way to make things "just work" for all users *and* satisfy your desires, then we have a way forward.
Here you have to say that someone's scientific research proved that Y% of users are so forgetful that require the need of the statistics of its activity? and so you have an excuse to set the default for all other unwanted software (and so that it can not be safely removed)? Because here I am compelled to make excuses, but not you, who decided to include a zeitgeist in the Fedora KDE (Ubuntu & Debian KDE version 4.8.3 not have not zeitgeist). And I have already proposed a compromise in the bagzilla.
Besides, I'd also prefer to have some sort of justification to spend time and energy on implementing what you want. So far, I've only seen "I don't want zeitgeist". You need to say *why*, and ideally, also back that up with evidence.
* I don't needed zeitgest recording of my activity or any statistics about it. Nepomuk+Zeitgeist in this sense, make a useless activity drives + cpu. Many of my acquaintances KDE users against using nepomuk+zeitgeist, and I guess that more users do not even think about what they have there for the processes in the system and what they do. So I think that this bunch should be used only by those who need it, and it should not be of default setting. Honestly this: that I do not need, should not be in my system. I've already written about modularity. * The information collected by the Nepomuk+Zeitgeist is potentially dangerous because it can characterize the user. That is a collection of data on the individual. In many countries, such behavior is considered as criminally. This should be a solution to every user before the installation of these services. * Some monitoring of personal information about an employee is allowed in special services, or after personal agreement (noted in the contract of employment) when applying for a job. Now tell me: KDE user is a member of the Secret Service, or is a member of KDE? * The very presence of such software could result in unauthorized collection of information about the user after a burglary system. The user must decide: to have him so soft on your system or not.
On 07/02/2012 11:11 AM, Fl@sh wrote:
Besides, I'd also prefer to have some sort of justification to spend time and energy on implementing what you want. So far, I've only seen "I don't want zeitgeist". You need to say *why*, and ideally, also back that up with evidence.
- I don't needed zeitgest recording of my activity or any statistics about it.
Nepomuk+Zeitgeist in this sense, make a useless activity drives + cpu. Many of my acquaintances KDE users against using nepomuk+zeitgeist, and I guess that more users do not even think about what they have there for the processes in the system and what they do. So I think that this bunch should be used only by those who need it, and it should not be of default setting. Honestly this: that I do not need, should not be in my system. I've already written about modularity.
- The information collected by the Nepomuk+Zeitgeist is potentially dangerous because it can characterize the user. That is a collection of data on the individual. In many countries, such behavior is considered as criminally. This should be a solution to every user before the installation of these services.
- Some monitoring of personal information about an employee is allowed in special services, or after personal agreement (noted in the contract of employment) when applying for a job. Now tell me: KDE user is a member of the Secret Service, or is a member of KDE?
- The very presence of such software could result in unauthorized collection of information about the user after a burglary system. The user must decide: to have him so soft on your system or not.
OK now we're getting somewhere. I'd suggest you're talking to the wrong people then. Talk to zeitgeist upstream, and it's bindings' authors.
(I'll do some of that work for you and talk to them, but I'll likely be more easily convinced about how not-bad it is)
-- rex
OK now we're getting somewhere. I'd suggest you're talking to the wrong people then. Talk to zeitgeist upstream, and it's bindings' authors.
(I'll do some of that work for you and talk to them, but I'll likely be more easily convinced about how not-bad it is)
-- rex
I do not understand the need to appeal to developers of zeitgeist, but I will do as you advise. Maybe tell how to do it correctly? However, now libqzeitgeist is installed in my system, but he rebuilt without depending on zeitgeist. Zeitgeist was deleted, Nepomuk is disabled. No errors in the ~/.xsession-errors, either in /var/log/messages. This is as really example. By the way, I noticed that the Zeitgeist initiates the Nepomuk-process, even when Nepomuk is turned off in System Settings and configuration files. This suggests that, in fact, any program running in the user environment may be illegally collecting personal data, using tools kdelibs. It's sad.
On 07/03/2012 05:31 AM, Fl@sh wrote:
By the way, I noticed that the Zeitgeist initiates the Nepomuk-process, even when Nepomuk is turned off in System Settings and configuration files. This suggests that, in fact, any program running in the user environment may be illegally collecting personal data, using tools kdelibs. It's sad.
How about we gather facts, and upstream advice, before jumping to conclusions? :)
-- rex
How about we gather facts, and upstream advice, before jumping to conclusions? :)
Yes, it is methodologically correct. However, it was just a sad note.
How and where do you advise me to apply to developers? Or you do it yourself?
Am 02.07.2012 14:50, schrieb Rex Dieter:
On 07/02/2012 06:43 AM, Fl@sh wrote:
Begin in : https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=835852
Still can not figure out why the maintainer libqzeitgeist not concerned that ordinary users do not have the opportunity to not use unnecessary functionality for them (meaning the zeitgeist). Now the situation is that users do not even have the opportunity to remove the zeitgeist, but in fact should be the opposite: users wishing to use the zeitgeist, should to install it yourself. It's not just that, so you can easily disable the zeitgeist graphically, but the fact that the zeitgeist is optional, and should be to installed yourself, not without your knowledge.
If zeitgeist could be disabled (without uninstalling it), would that satisify you?
OK, I just noticed that zeitgeist is running with my KDE. So how can I disable it?
Martin
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Am 10.07.2012 08:40, schrieb Fl@sh:
OK, I just noticed that zeitgeist is running with my KDE. So how can I
disable it?
Martin
# disable Zeitgeist autostart mv /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop.saved
Yes I know, but with the next update of zeitgeist it is back, as the .desktop file is reinstalled. There should be a konfiguration option somewhere to enable/disable zeitgeist (like it is for nepomuk) so I don't have to move files around.
Regards Martin
Martin (KDE) wrote:
Am 10.07.2012 08:40, schrieb Fl@sh:
OK, I just noticed that zeitgeist is running with my KDE. So how can I
disable it?
Martin
# disable Zeitgeist autostart mv /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop.saved
Yes I know, but with the next update of zeitgeist it is back
how about
cp \ /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop \ ~/.config/autostart/
then, either
goto systemsettings->startup&shutdown to disable it, or echo "Hidden=true" >> ~/.config/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop
-- rex
On Tuesday 10 July 2012 10:47:56 Rex Dieter wrote:
Martin (KDE) wrote:
Am 10.07.2012 08:40, schrieb Fl@sh:
OK, I just noticed that zeitgeist is running with my KDE. So how can I
disable it?
Martin
# disable Zeitgeist autostart mv /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop.saved
Yes I know, but with the next update of zeitgeist it is back
how about
cp \ /etc/xdg/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop \ ~/.config/autostart/
then, either
goto systemsettings->startup&shutdown to disable it, or echo "Hidden=true" >> ~/.config/autostart/zeitgeist-datahub.desktop
-- rex
Hi,
May be a foolish question, but what will be lost when disabling zeitgeist?
Thanks,
Martin Kho
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