Am 13.09.2013 18:05, schrieb José Matos:

On Friday 13 September 2013 17:17:36 Reindl Harald wrote:

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anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer on F19 with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects to our internal prosody server?

the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever reason

I read this recently on kde planet:

http://www.sharpley.org.uk/blog/facebook-problems it seems to be related to the problems you report

kopete != telepathy

the really interesting is that while kopete claims that it is connecting for days and not showing online contacts yesterday i used facebook chat from the andoid phone and after coming come kopete sowhed all anserws of the other person while still claim it is connecting

so there is some stupidity in kopete on KDE 4.11 while with Fedora 18 it had not such issue

Am 18.09.2013 19:22, schrieb Rex Dieter:

Reindl Harald wrote:

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anybody except me which can't connect to facebookchat any longer on F19 with 4.11.1 while XMPP/Jabber in fact works because it happily connects to our internal prosody server?

the facebook connection always says "connecting" in kopete while netstat shows it *is* connected but refuse to talk for whatever reason

Looks like this bug,

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=324937

as far as i can say - yes

would be nice to have this somehow fixed in the 4.11 builds not that my life depends on facebookchat but some persons are easier to reach and i do not want ktp for now because for me the dependency chain for a simple chat is unacceptable

ktp finally pulls gtk-deps and whatelse while i try to keep my systems as tiny as possible and whereever i can KDE/QT only

Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:

On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

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ktp finally pulls gtk-dep

Like what?

maybe this has changed in F19

52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex

the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat or our own jabber server and the fact that it does not minimize to systray and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it unuseable for me

with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)

[root@srv-rhsoft:/fileserver/yum-repo/fc18/x86_64]$ yum install ktp-common-internals ktp-contact-list ktp-contact-runner ktp-filetransfer-handler telepathy-gabble Failed to set locale, defaulting to C Loaded plugins: etckeeper, protectbase, tsflags rhsoft-fedora | 2.9 kB 00:00:00 !!! rhsoft-generic | 2.9 kB 00:00:00 0 packages excluded due to repository protections Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package ktp-common-internals.x86_64 0:0.6.3-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libtelepathy-qt4.so.2()(64bit) for package: ktp-common-internals-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libtelepathy-logger.so.3()(64bit) for package: ktp-common-internals-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libtelepathy-logger-qt4.so.1()(64bit) for package: ktp-common-internals-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libtelepathy-glib.so.0()(64bit) for package: ktp-common-internals-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libQtGLib-2.0.so.0()(64bit) for package: ktp-common-internals-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package ktp-contact-list.x86_64 0:0.6.3-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: ktp-accounts-kcm for package: ktp-contact-list-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package ktp-contact-runner.x86_64 0:0.6.3-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package ktp-filetransfer-handler.x86_64 0:0.6.3-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-gabble.x86_64 0:0.18.1-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: telepathy-mission-control >= 5.5.0 for package: telepathy-gabble-0.18.1-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: telepathy-filesystem for package: telepathy-gabble-0.18.1-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libnice.so.10()(64bit) for package: telepathy-gabble-0.18.1-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package ktp-accounts-kcm.x86_64 0:0.6.3-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: telepathy-rakia >= 0.7.4 for package: ktp-accounts-kcm-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: telepathy-salut for package: ktp-accounts-kcm-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: telepathy-haze for package: ktp-accounts-kcm-0.6.3-1.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package libnice.x86_64 0:0.1.3-2.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libgupnp-igd-1.0.so.4()(64bit) for package: libnice-0.1.3-2.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libgupnp-1.0.so.4()(64bit) for package: libnice-0.1.3-2.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package qt-gstreamer.x86_64 0:0.10.2-4.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-filesystem.noarch 0:0.0.2-5.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-glib.x86_64 0:0.20.4-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-logger.x86_64 0:0.8.0-2.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-logger-qt.x86_64 0:0.8.0-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-mission-control.x86_64 1:5.14.1-2.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-qt4.x86_64 0:0.9.3-7.fc19 will be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package gupnp.x86_64 0:0.20.6-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libgssdp-1.0.so.3()(64bit) for package: gupnp-0.20.6-1.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package gupnp-igd.x86_64 0:0.2.2-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package telepathy-haze.x86_64 0:0.7.0-3.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libpurple.so.0()(64bit) for package: telepathy-haze-0.7.0-3.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package telepathy-rakia.x86_64 0:0.7.5-1.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libsofia-sip-ua.so.0()(64bit) for package: telepathy-rakia-0.7.5-1.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libsofia-sip-ua-glib.so.3()(64bit) for package: telepathy-rakia-0.7.5-1.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package telepathy-salut.x86_64 0:0.8.1-2.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libavahi-gobject.so.0()(64bit) for package: telepathy-salut-0.8.1-2.fc19.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package avahi-gobject.x86_64 0:0.6.31-11.fc19 will be installed ---> Package gssdp.x86_64 0:0.14.5-1.fc19 will be installed ---> Package libpurple.x86_64 0:2.10.7-3.fc19 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: cyrus-sasl-scram for package: libpurple-2.10.7-3.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libsilcclient-1.1.so.3()(64bit) for package: libpurple-2.10.7-3.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libsilc-1.1.so.2()(64bit) for package: libpurple-2.10.7-3.fc19.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libfarstream-0.1.so.0()(64bit) for package: libpurple-2.10.7-3.fc19.x86_64 ---> Package sofia-sip.x86_64 0:1.12.11-6.fc19 will be installed ---> Package sofia-sip-glib.x86_64 0:1.12.11-6.fc19 will be installed --> Running transaction check ---> Package cyrus-sasl-scram.x86_64 0:2.1.26-9.fc19 will be installed ---> Package farstream.x86_64 0:0.1.2-5.fc19 will be installed ---> Package libsilc.x86_64 0:1.1.10-8.fc19 will be installed --> Finished Dependency Resolution --> Finding unneeded leftover dependencies Found and removing 0 unneeded dependencies

Dependencies Resolved

=================================================================================================================================================================================================================== Package Arch Version Repository Size =================================================================================================================================================================================================================== Installing: ktp-common-internals x86_64 0.6.3-1.fc19 updates 556 k ktp-contact-list x86_64 0.6.3-1.fc19 updates 215 k ktp-contact-runner x86_64 0.6.3-1.fc19 updates 64 k ktp-filetransfer-handler x86_64 0.6.3-1.fc19 updates 77 k telepathy-gabble x86_64 0.18.1-1.fc19 updates 623 k Installing for dependencies: avahi-gobject x86_64 0.6.31-11.fc19 fedora 33 k cyrus-sasl-scram x86_64 2.1.26-9.fc19 updates 40 k farstream x86_64 0.1.2-5.fc19 fedora 229 k gssdp x86_64 0.14.5-1.fc19 updates-testing 44 k gupnp x86_64 0.20.6-1.fc19 updates-testing 92 k gupnp-igd x86_64 0.2.2-1.fc19 fedora 27 k ktp-accounts-kcm x86_64 0.6.3-1.fc19 updates 434 k libnice x86_64 0.1.3-2.fc19 fedora 127 k libpurple x86_64 2.10.7-3.fc19 updates 5.7 M libsilc x86_64 1.1.10-8.fc19 fedora 524 k qt-gstreamer x86_64 0.10.2-4.fc19 fedora 197 k sofia-sip x86_64 1.12.11-6.fc19 updates 599 k sofia-sip-glib x86_64 1.12.11-6.fc19 updates 15 k telepathy-filesystem noarch 0.0.2-5.fc19 fedora 4.6 k telepathy-glib x86_64 0.20.4-1.fc19 updates 697 k telepathy-haze x86_64 0.7.0-3.fc19 fedora 87 k telepathy-logger x86_64 0.8.0-2.fc19 fedora 97 k telepathy-logger-qt x86_64 0.8.0-1.fc19 fedora 67 k telepathy-mission-control x86_64 1:5.14.1-2.fc19 fedora 200 k telepathy-qt4 x86_64 0.9.3-7.fc19 fedora 1.9 M telepathy-rakia x86_64 0.7.5-1.fc19 updates-testing 87 k telepathy-salut x86_64 0.8.1-2.fc19 fedora 386 k

Transaction Summary =================================================================================================================================================================================================================== Install 5 Packages (+22 Dependent packages)

Total download size: 13 M Installed size: 52 M Is this ok [y/d/N]:

sadly 4.1..2 suffers the same problem...........

Am 19.09.2013 10:36, schrieb Daniel Vrátil:

On Wednesday 18 of September 2013 20:35:38 Reindl Harald wrote:

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Am 18.09.2013 20:01, schrieb Rex Dieter:

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On 09/18/2013 12:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:

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ktp finally pulls gtk-dep

Like what?

maybe this has changed in F19

52 MB is still far too much for a messenger given that Apache/PHP does fit in this space and is much more complex

the last time i tried it because kopete for now does not support filetransfers i was unable to connect to facebookchat

That might have been because of Facebook migrating to new servers - many people had problems. Now it works again.

while at the same time kopete worked?

i do not need a *multi* protocol messenger when i need for each service a different one

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or our own jabber server

That's weird. Maybe you need to disable SSL, or enable "Ignore SSL errors"?

i do not take a application serious which doe snot ask in case of a self-signed certificate like browsers and mail clients do over decades nor do i buy certificates for LAN services

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and the fact that it does not minimize to systray and close the contact list doe snot behave like kopete makes it unuseable for me

If the concern is about staying online, when KTp contactlist is closed you are /not/ disconnected. The connection is maintained by Telepathy in the background.

You can also add "Presence Applet" to systray, which will show your presence (status), allows to change it via popup menu and when you left-click the applet, it will open the contact list (so you get effectively the same behavior as with Kopete). Additionally there's a Plasma applet with contact list that can be nicely embedded into the panel so you don't even need to open a new window.

a desktop application tehse days needs proper usability out-of-the-box and not force the user to search manually for plasma addons

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with what i could libe is kopete using telepathy backends and not change the user interface/behaviour with only really needed dependencies (gnupnp is nothing i want on my systems)

Not sure how that would help - most of the 52MB is taken by Telepathy and it's dependencies. KTp itself is quite small (and you can uninstall parts you don't need).

Looking at the dependencies, it's a bit unfortunate that ktp-accounts-kcm pulls in so many Telepathy backends - most people could probably do just with telepathy-gabble (XMPP)...

exactly that is my point

all these sub-packages are completly nonsense as long there are endless dependency chains pulling them all

Also please note that Kopete is considered unmaintained (although there were a few patches in 4.11) and it's future (longterm) is unclear

i am aware of this and it makes me very unhappy that the one mesenger with a perfect UI and only missing some features like video-chat is dying and the other is no useable replacement for now nor that i want the GNOME alternatives on my system

if i could i would do "yum remove *gtk*"