I have installed Fedora 13 Goddard x86_64 in my machine and I've updated to KDE 4.5, in order to run Skype I installed some 32 bit Qt libraries and when I installed the new KDE desktop I had to remove them because KDE 4.4 uses the "1:4.6" version of these libraries and KDE 4.5 the "1:4.7"... Now I have KDE 4.5 and everything is fine but I can't run lastest Skype because it needs the "1:4.6" Qt libraries, it doesn't work with the new ones, but if I remove the new ones and I replace them with the older ones, many apps seem to be "downgraded" or they just don't work anymore... Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5?
Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented in IM Clients Linux have.
And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in ambassadors mailing list:
Quoted Mail:
Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is that many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE. We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone finds a solution.
Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software supports skype's protocol? The answer is NO. and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism... If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by the Gnu Foundation.
I'm not gonna continue arguing... I'm open to solutions, not "empty opinions"
And for me, it's sad that some ambassadors are not thinking in the future of the user... This is not the way to win "ground" in technologies battle...
End of Quoted mail...
P.S. Sorry for the words in capital letters.
P.S.2: For me, the final user is as important as OpenSource and Fedora :)
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 06:09:26PM -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote:
Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5? Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented in IM Clients Linux have.
What do you expect us to do? Ship an older QT version instead of the newer one so that skype works? And while we're at it don't ship the current x-server so that nvidia and ati-binary-drivers work (no - I don't care if they currently work - this is just an example).
If proprietary apps work with Fedora - great. If they don't - it's up to the application vendor to fix, not Fedora.
Get the static version from http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/ and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a year).
2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka markus.s@kdemail.net
Get the static version from < http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
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I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this problem.
P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?
Thank's
On 08/30/2010 08:43 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net mailto:markus.s@kdemail.net>
Get the static version from <http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/> and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a year). _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.orgI was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this problem.
What is the problem again? I can run Skype with qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.i686
P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?
KDE SC 4.5
Thank's
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On 08/30/2010 08:43 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote:
2010/8/30 Markus Slopianka <markus.s@kdemail.net mailto:markus.s@kdemail.net>
Get the static version from <http://www.skype.com/intl/de/get-skype/on-your-computer/linux/post-download/
and stop writing "KDE 4.5" (which is the wrong term since almost a year). _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org <mailto:kde@lists.fedoraproject.org> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.orgI was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this problem.
What is the problem again? I can run Skype with qt-4.7.0-0.27.rc1.fc13.i686
P.S. ¿What's the Correct term then?
KDE SC 4.5
Thank's
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Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
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Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
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Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13 does
not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7" version, only a 64 bit one, at least
in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit version but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...
New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.
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On Mon 30 August 2010 17:43:12 Manuel Escudero wrote:
2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
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Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13 does
not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7" version, only a 64 bit one, at least
in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit version but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...
New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.
So, I'm going to try to ignore the personal attack which you sent me on the Ambassadors list, and help you, since I think I know what happened after thinking about it all afternoon...
I assume, since Qt4.7 and KDE4.5 aren't in Fedora's main repositories yet (note that; you're using unofficial repositories provided by community members!), that you're using builds from kde-redhat.sf.net... Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, in that case, the problem is that by default applications and libraries in there arne't multilib'd, and that they aren't kept in the same repository; there are different repositories for 32 bit and 64 bit.
I assume you don't have the kde-redhat 32 bit repo enabled. Looking at /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo, the mirrorlist points to, for example http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-testing, which are mirrors like http://mirror.unl.edu/kde- redhat/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/testing ... $basearch is of course expanding to x86_64, leaving all the i686 packages unreachable in the kde- redhat repositories.
So, take one of the mirrors in your mirrorlist, add a new entry to kde.repo for each repo:
[kde-i686] name=kde baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i686/testing gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEYat enabled=1
Note that none of these issues will exist when KDE Plasma Desktop and the KDE Application Suite 4.5 are officially supported by us.
Oh, and that's the "proper" branding... KDE-promo intended the "KDE SC" terminology to be an engineering term (not something for End Users), but it caught on. There are two "products", the KDE Plasma Deskop, Plasma kwin etc, and the KDE Application Suite, which is all the applications which are developed by KDE, the community behind the products.
The KDE SIG is appreciative of all users' testing of KDE prereleases, but there will always be complications involved, bugs, etc, and we appreciate all feedback on the releases.
~r
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On Mon 30 August 2010 17:43:12 Manuel Escudero wrote:
2010/8/30 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be
a
problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
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Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
I've been investigating... is Fedora's problem, not skype... Fedora 13
does
not provide a 32 bit package for the qt libraries in their "1:4.7" version, only a 64 bit one, at least
in my package manager this is what I have, and I also have a 32 bit
version
but it's only of the "1:4.6" release... Hope you take this in count...
New Libraries in both architechtures seem to be present in fedora 14 and RPMFind says in Fedora 15 too.
So, I'm going to try to ignore the personal attack which you sent me on the Ambassadors list, and help you, since I think I know what happened after thinking about it all afternoon...
I assume, since Qt4.7 and KDE4.5 aren't in Fedora's main repositories yet (note that; you're using unofficial repositories provided by community members!), that you're using builds from kde-redhat.sf.net... Correct me if I'm wrong. If I'm not, in that case, the problem is that by default applications and libraries in there arne't multilib'd, and that they aren't kept in the same repository; there are different repositories for 32 bit and 64 bit.
I assume you don't have the kde-redhat 32 bit repo enabled. Looking at /etc/yum.repos.d/kde.repo, the mirrorlist points to, for example http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/mirrors-testing, which are mirrors like http://mirror.unl.edu/kde- redhat/fedora/$releasever/$basearch/testing ... $basearch is of course expanding to x86_64, leaving all the i686 packages unreachable in the kde- redhat repositories.
So, take one of the mirrors in your mirrorlist, add a new entry to kde.repo for each repo:
[kde-i686] name=kde baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i686/testing gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEYat enabled=1
Note that none of these issues will exist when KDE Plasma Desktop and the KDE Application Suite 4.5 are officially supported by us.
Oh, and that's the "proper" branding... KDE-promo intended the "KDE SC" terminology to be an engineering term (not something for End Users), but it caught on. There are two "products", the KDE Plasma Deskop, Plasma kwin etc, and the KDE Application Suite, which is all the applications which are developed by KDE, the community behind the products.
The KDE SIG is appreciative of all users' testing of KDE prereleases, but there will always be complications involved, bugs, etc, and we appreciate all feedback on the releases.
~r
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I've got the solution, thanks!! Now Skype is working and I have the lastest 32 Bit Qt libraries installed in my 64 bit Fedora 13 with KDE 4.5!! :D
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13 because of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on my Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries all my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
I am using KDE SC 4.5.0 from kde-testing and qt 4.7 and at least two of us have already found it works fine. The more you tell us the more chance there is we can help rather than having to guess the problem. Have you by any chance used kde-redhat (kde-unstable for instance) in the past? If so beware it is not multilib'd so you if you update qt.x86_64 you have to add the related i686 repos so that qt.i686 can be updated along with it (it also follows that if qt.i686 was not installed before then you still need to enable the i686 repo so it can install a matching version of qti686).
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
2010/8/30 John5342 john5342@gmail.com
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
You haven't actually so far stated what the problem is you are having with skype. Only that it doesn't work. What i can say is it works fine here on F13 using qt 4.7 on x86_64. I just installed the standard Fedora rpms provided along with the i686 version of qt and the appropriate i686 pulseaudio libs. I forget exactly which one is needed but i have alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 and pulseaudio-libs.i686 installed currently.
Yep. It worked fine for me until I upgraded to KDE 4.5 my fedora 13
because
of the new Qt libraries... I can't install 32 bit Skype's dependencies on
my
Fedora 13 x86_64 KDE 4.5 because the Qt 32 bit libraries that skype needs have conflicts with the newer ones, and if I downgrade the Qt Libraries
all
my KDE 4.5 installation gets broken
I am using KDE SC 4.5.0 from kde-testing and qt 4.7 and at least two of us have already found it works fine. The more you tell us the more chance there is we can help rather than having to guess the problem. Have you by any chance used kde-redhat (kde-unstable for instance) in the past? If so beware it is not multilib'd so you if you update qt.x86_64 you have to add the related i686 repos so that qt.i686 can be updated along with it (it also follows that if qt.i686 was not installed before then you still need to enable the i686 repo so it can install a matching version of qti686).
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@John5342: How do I add the "new" i686 KDE 4.5 SC repo? I think that's the solution
2010/8/31 Manuel Escudero Jmlevick@gmail.com:
@John5342: How do I add the "new" i686 KDE 4.5 SC repo? I think that's the solution
I just added the definitions below to my /etc/yum.repos.d/kde-redhat.repo file. Unfortunately the mirror list seems to contain $basearch substitution variables so we have to set a known mirror directly in order to override the architecture. Also in the following all the repos are enabled. Obviously in reality you only need to enable the ones that match the enabled x86_64 ones...
[kde-32] name=kde-32 baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/stable gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY enabled=1
[kde-testing-32] name=kde-testing-32 baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/testing gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY enabled=1
[kde-unstable-32] name=kde-unstable-32 baseurl=http://mirror.unl.edu/kde-redhat/fedora/$releasever/i386/unstable gpgkey=http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/kde-redhat.RPM-GPG-KEY enabled=1
On 08/30/2010 08:52 PM, Manuel Escudero wrote: <snip>
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
I am running 64 bit as well. But Skype is only a 32 bit app so you need 32 bit qt installed as well.
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On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 18:52 -0500, Manuel Escudero wrote:
Maybe because you have a 32 Bits System, there shouldn't have to be a problem... But I'm running a 64 Bit one
skype works semi-fine on x86_64 F13 with 32bit qt, qt-x11, and qt-sqlite.
I may switch to the static version of qt to solve a number of issues. (E.g. file-open dialog doesn't work).
- Gilboa
On Tuesday 31 August 2010 01:43:48 Manuel Escudero wrote:
I was thinking about getting a community solution, maybe an idea from someone that can help users in this case... Obviously we can't ship older libraries... but for me, it's important to give an announcement of this problem.
So and what's your problem with getting the static linked Skype version?
Manuel Escudero wrote:
Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5?
No. It was a screwed up setup on your end, as the replies have evidenced.
And FWIW, the version of kdelibs (4.5.x) is irrelevant for Skype (and the rest of the KDE stuff even more so), only Qt matters. Skype does not use any KDE libraries.
Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not implemented in IM Clients Linux have.
Nonsense. Ekiga and several other applications support video calls just fine, cross-platform and using the standard SIP protocol.
And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in ambassadors mailing list:
What you call "fanaticism about opensource" is one of Fedora's core principles. If you don't believe in it, you should really reconsider being an Ambassador for Fedora!
Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is that many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE.
Sure you can. Skype accounts are free, only communication from/to phones is charged for, so they wouldn't even lose money.
You can also tell them to run a second VoIP app using the standard SIP protocol in parallel (i.e. keeping Skype too), there's nothing which stops them from doing that either.
We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone finds a solution.
This is already solved, but if it weren't, we wouldn't care. We do not support proprietary software, never have, never will. If it works, good for you, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software supports skype's protocol? The answer is NO.
That's exactly why using Skype is so harmful, not only do you force yourself into using proprietary software, but the other end as well!
and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism...
I call it "believing in the value of freedom".
If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by the Gnu Foundation.
Fedora considers itself to be 100% Free. There is a known disagreement with the FSF over the issue of firmware, but as Skype is definitely NOT firmware, this is irrelevant.
Fedora believes strongly in freedom, it's one of our core objectives. If this isn't what matters to you, change to some distribution which doesn't care, e.g. Linux Mint.
Kevin Kofler
2010/9/5 Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler@chello.at
Manuel Escudero wrote:
Does this mean we're not having Skype in Fedora 14 KDE Spin as it's going to be based on KDE 4.5?
No. It was a screwed up setup on your end, as the replies have evidenced.
And FWIW, the version of kdelibs (4.5.x) is irrelevant for Skype (and the rest of the KDE stuff even more so), only Qt matters. Skype does not use any KDE libraries.
Many users need skype (in my case I'm running it in a Windows 7 VM) But without it we can't offer reliable "Videocalls" as they're not
implemented
in IM Clients Linux have.
Nonsense. Ekiga and several other applications support video calls just fine, cross-platform and using the standard SIP protocol.
And please do not start with fanaticism about opensource, as I said in ambassadors mailing list:
What you call "fanaticism about opensource" is one of Fedora's core principles. If you don't believe in it, you should really reconsider being an Ambassador for Fedora!
Well, I know about the free alternatives, what I'm discussing here is
that
many users USE SKYPE. We have free software but we can't tell those users who use skype: CANCEL YOUR SKYPE ACCOUNT BECAUSE NOW YOU'RE FREE.
Sure you can. Skype accounts are free, only communication from/to phones is charged for, so they wouldn't even lose money.
You can also tell them to run a second VoIP app using the standard SIP protocol in parallel (i.e. keeping Skype too), there's nothing which stops them from doing that either.
We, as ambassadors, are supposed to help the user and this is an issue that is going to affect many skype users in fedora 14 KDE unless someone finds a solution.
This is already solved, but if it weren't, we wouldn't care. We do not support proprietary software, never have, never will. If it works, good for you, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces.
Yes, we have free software, but tell me: Any of our free software
supports
skype's protocol? The answer is NO.
That's exactly why using Skype is so harmful, not only do you force yourself into using proprietary software, but the other end as well!
and by "demonizing" skype's use you're commiting fanaticism...
I call it "believing in the value of freedom".
If GNU/LINUX and OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE is what matters to you, change to UTUTO or GNEWSENSE as Fedora isn't considered COMPLETELY OPEN SOURCE by the Gnu Foundation.
Fedora considers itself to be 100% Free. There is a known disagreement with the FSF over the issue of firmware, but as Skype is definitely NOT firmware, this is irrelevant.
Fedora believes strongly in freedom, it's one of our core objectives. If this isn't what matters to you, change to some distribution which doesn't care, e.g. Linux Mint.
Kevin Kofler
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