That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
-- Rex
________________________________ From: kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org on behalf of Gerald B. Cox gbcox@bzb.us Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:10 PM To: Fedora KDE List Subject: Plasma 5 - Right Click Desktop - Konsole?
Under KDE 4 you could right click on the desktop which would bring up a menu that allowed you to open konsole. I've looked under Plasma 5 but apparently not hard enough because I can't figure out how to add it. Am I missing something or is this no longer available?
Thanks!
Am 30.04.2015 um 19:12 schrieb Rex Dieter:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
+1 for that
konsole, lock screen, logout are used here all the time by right click the desktop and some of the view linux users are trained to that (including myself)
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Thanks!
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 10:12 AM, Rex Dieter rdieter@unl.edu wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Thanks Rex... at least I know I now why I couldn't find it... ;-)
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 05:12:06 PM Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
-- Rex From: kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org on behalf of Gerald B. Cox gbcox@bzb.us Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:10 PM To: Fedora KDE List Subject: Plasma 5 - Right Click Desktop - Konsole?
Under KDE 4 you could right click on the desktop which would bring up a menu that allowed you to open konsole. I've looked under Plasma 5 but apparently not hard enough because I can't figure out how to add it. Am I missing something or is this no longer available?
+1 for sufficient demand ;)
On 05/01/15 01:12, Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
How will that be determined? FWIW, I'll +1 it, especially since desktop settings aren't being retained across logins.
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 06:58 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/01/15 01:12, Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
How will that be determined? FWIW, I'll +1 it, especially since desktop settings aren't being retained across logins.
Yep, that's still broken, even in Plasma-5.3. VERY annoying. I don't care about any of the other "improvements" in Plasma if this doesn't work. It's kind of basic, at least for some of us.
poc
On 05/01/15 07:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 06:58 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 05/01/15 01:12, Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
How will that be determined? FWIW, I'll +1 it, especially since desktop settings aren't being retained across logins.
Yep, that's still broken, even in Plasma-5.3. VERY annoying. I don't care about any of the other "improvements" in Plasma if this doesn't work. It's kind of basic, at least for some of us.
I'm giving serious consideration to *not* upgrading to F22 when it is released. I would hope it would get fixed prior to F23. I'm very used to logging out and then logging back in and having all of my windows restored at the right size and right locations and having the systray being at the height I've set it to. I am used to having different background images for each of my 6 virtual desktops, but just like GNOME took that away Plasma 5 has done so too. :-(
I am also used to being able to have my time/date displayed as I want in the systray and showing the accurate time without having to specify displaying seconds.
I generally try to accept change, but if the changes don't work well....
On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 06:58:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
How will that be determined? FWIW, I'll +1 it, especially since desktop settings aren't being retained across logins.
Often a good start is "someone cared enough to figure out how to port the patch". :)
On 05/01/15 08:59, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, May 01, 2015 at 06:58:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
How will that be determined? FWIW, I'll +1 it, especially since desktop settings aren't being retained across logins.
Often a good start is "someone cared enough to figure out how to port the patch". :)
Wouldn't that be the end result?
On 04/30/2015 10:42 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
Yes of course +1.. I've always found it very convenient on RHEL, CentOS & Fedora to right-click the desktop and have terminal available there :-)
Syam
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 17:12:06 +0000 Rex Dieter rdieter@unl.edu wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
Starting konsole from the desktop context menu is one of those ingeniously handy and practical things for whic everyone immediately says "but of course!" and gets used to it right away. And once you get used to it, you start to wonder how come other DE's don't have that too --- it's such an obviously good idea...
+1, please patch it also for plasma5!
And then if a file manager could be started simply by double-clicking on the desktop itself, I'll feel just like back in my Amiga days... ;-)
Best, :-) Marko
On 04/30/2015 11:12 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
-- Rex
Well, it would be nice to demand it of upstream so that we don't have to carry a patch. Not sure how likely that is to happen...
On Thursday 30 April 2015 17:12:06 Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
-- Rex
+1 if that helps. :-)
The worst part for me is that konsole does not retain the session and sometime not even the window shows.
I agree with others that the plasma forgetting the session data is the worst problem of plasma 5. That can in part be mitigated by assigning initial desktops for applications since I always start konsole in desktop 1, dolphin in desktop 2, kontact and firefox in desktop 4 and so on. Not perfect but it helps a bit.
OTHO I do not intend to go back as plasma 5 has solved some minor nuisances from plasma 4 that it really is worth this (hopefully) temporary problem.
On a comic remark the default theme for plasma 5.3 is so colourful, so 70' of the kind that needs to come with a warning that it could induce and epileptic seizure. Naturally the epilepsy is a serious condition and it is not my intention to joke with people that suffer from it, but from the carnival palette... :-)
Regards,
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 14:19 +0100, José Matos wrote:
I agree with others that the plasma forgetting the session data is the worst problem of plasma 5. That can in part be mitigated by assigning initial desktops for applications since I always start konsole in desktop 1, dolphin in desktop 2, kontact and firefox in desktop 4 and so on. Not perfect but it helps a bit.
Unfortunately I have a number of browser windows in different desktops. I tried setting the desktop property for the app and then for one of the windows separately but that doesn't get the result I want.
poc
On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:16:58 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 14:19 +0100, José Matos wrote:
I agree with others that the plasma forgetting the session data is the worst problem of plasma 5. That can in part be mitigated by assigning initial desktops for applications since I always start konsole in desktop 1, dolphin in desktop 2, kontact and firefox in desktop 4 and so on. Not perfect but it helps a bit.
Unfortunately I have a number of browser windows in different desktops. I tried setting the desktop property for the app and then for one of the windows separately but that doesn't get the result I want.
I tend to have exclusively one konsole and one firefox window opened at a time (on their respective desktops), and extensively use multiple tabs. This avoids over-cluttering the desktops (in my case, remaining six desktops can then be used for various other apps, one per desktop), and I always know where to look for various stuff... ;-) Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
Maybe we can start another thread, where everyone would describe their preferred usecase of desktop setups, organization and placement of windows, configuration settings, typical workflows, pros&cons, etc... I always find it inspiring to see how other people customize their workarea, and I often try out and experiment with different things, to find an optimal setup for my needs. I guess other people can be curious about this as well. :-)
One of the main things I like about KDE is that one can configure almost anything to suit one's needs.
Best, :-) Marko
On Friday 01 May 2015 15:58:04 Marko Vojinovic wrote:
I tend to have exclusively one konsole and one firefox window opened at a time (on their respective desktops), and extensively use multiple tabs. This avoids over-cluttering the desktops (in my case, remaining six desktops can then be used for various other apps, one per desktop), and I always know where to look for various stuff... Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
Since you asked.
If possible I like to have the laptop connected to an external monitor so that I can use two monitors. Then it really helps to have two konsoles, on in each screen.
Or the code editor in one and the help in the other...
Regarding the topic of this thread and keeping this on topic, the windows placement inside screens seems to vary in weird ways at start while it behaved well in plasma 4.
As an example the window seems to remember the dimensions of the screen where it has not been in the next session.
Regards,
On Fri, 01 May 2015 17:15:14 +0100 José Matos jamatos@fc.up.pt wrote:
On Friday 01 May 2015 15:58:04 Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
Since you asked.
If possible I like to have the laptop connected to an external monitor so that I can use two monitors. Then it really helps to have two konsoles, on in each screen.
Oh, right, I completely forgot about multi-monitor setups. Indeed, in such cases it can be useful to have multiple window instances of an app opened simultaneously.
I actually use multi-monitor setups sometimes, but apparently somehow I never came across the situation of having the same app opened on two screens --- it has always been two different apps in my usecases. :-) Nevertheless, I see your point.
Best, :-) Marko
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 15:58 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
The point is to have both. I have a multi-tab window for various news sites on one desktop, and a separate multi-tab window for other sites on a different desktop. Keeping them separate is an aid to usability.
poc
On 1 May 2015 at 15:58, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 01 May 2015 15:16:58 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallaghan@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2015-05-01 at 14:19 +0100, José Matos wrote:
I agree with others that the plasma forgetting the session data is the worst problem of plasma 5. That can in part be mitigated by assigning initial desktops for applications since I always start konsole in desktop 1, dolphin in desktop 2, kontact and firefox in desktop 4 and so on. Not perfect but it helps a bit.
Unfortunately I have a number of browser windows in different desktops. I tried setting the desktop property for the app and then for one of the windows separately but that doesn't get the result I want.
I tend to have exclusively one konsole and one firefox window opened at a time (on their respective desktops), and extensively use multiple tabs. This avoids over-cluttering the desktops (in my case, remaining six desktops can then be used for various other apps, one per desktop), and I always know where to look for various stuff... ;-) Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
Well, since you said you were interested, any circumstance where you need to see information from two pages/tabs at once. Or if researching something you may have a window open with multiple tabs open for that, with another window that you're working in. I'll typically start a task and if it gets big send it to its own desktop, which may be a few konsole windows and any other programs that are relevant (browser, spreadsheet etc.). In the case of browsers, some sites or applications will use their own sub-windows, e.g. I listen to BBC iplayer radio, this really wants its own window sized to their interface, and it's easier to let it do that rather than open in a tab (so it can be minimised without cluttering up tabs I actually want to look at).
On Sat, 2 May 2015 11:16:24 +0100 Ian Malone ibmalone@gmail.com wrote:
On 1 May 2015 at 15:58, Marko Vojinovic vvmarko@gmail.com wrote:
I tend to have exclusively one konsole and one firefox window opened at a time (on their respective desktops), and extensively use multiple tabs. This avoids over-cluttering the desktops (in my case, remaining six desktops can then be used for various other apps, one per desktop), and I always know where to look for various stuff... ;-) Btw, given the multiple tabs functionality, I always fail to see the reason for having multiple window instances of the same app (like firefox or konsole).
Well, since you said you were interested, any circumstance where you need to see information from two pages/tabs at once. Or if researching something you may have a window open with multiple tabs open for that, with another window that you're working in. I'll typically start a task and if it gets big send it to its own desktop, which may be a few konsole windows and any other programs that are relevant (browser, spreadsheet etc.). In the case of browsers, some sites or applications will use their own sub-windows, e.g. I listen to BBC iplayer radio, this really wants its own window sized to their interface, and it's easier to let it do that rather than open in a tab (so it can be minimised without cluttering up tabs I actually want to look at).
I see. I usually consider firefox as a mostly-read-only app, so I never came across a usecase where I would want two web pages displayed simultaneously on the same screen. But I do understand this point in the case of konsole --- typing in one window while reading a man page in another is probably a sensible scenario.
Btw, I also listen to streaming radio (not BBC though), but for me it is more convenient to open it in a tab. I guess it depends on how the web page of the player is made... ;-)
Thanks to everyone for the info!
Best, :-) Marko
On Thursday, April 30, 2015 05:12:06 PM Rex Dieter wrote:
That's something we (fedora) patched in to kde4 (from kde3 times), but we have not yet implemented the same for plasma5.
Maybe if there is sufficient demand.
I've backported the patch to plasma-workspace-5.3.0-4.fc22. Turns out it was just matted of finding how the file was renamed :)
Dan
-- Rex
From: kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org kde-bounces@lists.fedoraproject.org on behalf of Gerald B. Cox gbcox@bzb.us Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2015 12:10 PM To: Fedora KDE List Subject: Plasma 5 - Right Click Desktop - Konsole?
Under KDE 4 you could right click on the desktop which would bring up a menu that allowed you to open konsole. I've looked under Plasma 5 but apparently not hard enough because I can't figure out how to add it. Am I missing something or is this no longer available?
Thanks!
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:04 AM, Daniel Vrátil dvratil@redhat.com wrote:
I've backported the patch to plasma-workspace-5.3.0-4.fc22. Turns out it was just matted of finding how the file was renamed :)
Excellent! Thanks much!
On Wed, May 6, 2015 at 3:04 AM, Daniel Vrátil dvratil@redhat.com wrote:
I've backported the patch to plasma-workspace-5.3.0-4.fc22. Turns out it was just matted of finding how the file was renamed :)
Would probably be a good idea for those with Fedora accounts to test and leave Karma feedback to speed this along to stable... *https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/plasma-workspace-5.3.0-4.fc22 https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/plasma-workspace-5.3.0-4.fc22*
I went ahead and downloaded from koji since it had not yet been pushed: *http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=634892 http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=634892*
I have been using for several days and just like old times.... ;-)
Works great! Thanks again to Dan for doing this!