packaging September 2013

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arched BuildRequires?
by Björn Esser 28 Jan '15

28 Jan '15

Hi there! I have a question about this review: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=889261 Is it ok to havearched BuildRequires? In my opinion they should NOT be arched, because of the reasons given in the comments of the bug. Cheers, Björn

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jquery bundling for new packages
by Jens-Ulrik Petersen 02 Feb '14

02 Feb '14

TIL that there are around a thousand packages in Fedora that include a file named jquery.js... [1] Anyway it is good to see efforts to tackle these kinds of problems with the Javascript and Web Assets Guidelines. :) I want to ask if the packaging of grunt and jquery blocks current package reviews of packages that bundle jquery.js? Or can they proceed for now until jquery is actually packaged in Fedora? Jens ps It is going to be a long cleanup process to fix all those packages with bundled files. [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Web_Assets#Web_application_packagers

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Should INSTALL file presented in RPM?
by Christopher Meng 01 Oct '13

01 Oct '13

Hi, I plan to file tickets(bugs) to notify packagers of including INSTALL files in RPMs. I think we don't have the needs to ship these files for install instructions. Any ideas? If all you agree I will start doing it now. Thanks. Yours sincerely, Christopher Meng Always playing in Fedora Project http://cicku.me

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Is "Requires: X-debuginfo" allowed?
by Jan Kaluža 30 Sep '13

30 Sep '13

Hi, I'm author and maintainer of newly packaged package called httpdtap. It uses SystemTap scripts to get some debug data from running httpd webserver. To work correctly, it needs various debuginfo packages (httpd-debuginfo, apr-debuginfo, ...) installed on the system. I thought dependency on -debuginfo is not a problem, but after I built this package for rawhide, I have started receiving emails about broken dependencies. My question is: Are -debuginfo dependencies allowed and if not, what to do in my case when they are needed for the package to work (the package is useless without httpd debuginfo packages installed)? Regards, Jan Kaluza

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dbh and/or DBH
by Antonio Trande 28 Sep '13

28 Sep '13

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all. Are the dbh package (http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/dbh.git/) and the DBH from http://sourceforge.net/projects/dbh/files/dbh/5.0.7/ same software ? If yes, why the first is released as 1.0.24 and not as 5.0.7 ? Thanks. - -- - ---- Antonio Trande mailto: sagitter(a)fedoraproject.org http://www.fedoraos.worpress.com https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Sagitter GPG Key: D400D6C4 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.14 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJSRyzWAAoJED2vIvfUANbEjrEP/09qVg1TbC3+jYStX8yrUH4P x/OxmSl7hYY0rZg+21tcYtIBkWcoYFR1+u5FJlzteaAGUCQ5Rd9jPiDKjQCnFlmu yT0Ypr0/wK5FPa49QkM+OJpwiwG3TvGknB6U1R4wTAZqQuDvyhfGa3ZwHSZafgGc go4Pm3do8fKHyLap41+muXBRchCPubw57626PlfWZsI3YQexTdpi3H5gF921RJbR vA0DappHJRBPmBqL06lO5oBOoWBbtiYdGnH1Hj5wAYZYMD+FeWpIjMiTEmH24ZWM a63PZOEHzHpEQZ9L0Ak5pCqpdxjYpRjN/VPKJwgPqAPMoL32kriNYKbc5iEDLclM 6Tzsw2GGHbrh8gvLc4EQ7cNLQjxwyWNsceIjvjLjedrKZ0T4x6nVrLEvEknEP2XO U8KH1DGZfNherbXCVl00eFzpf5AtVcUs+To4SknC6kAliylbmAkbpqZROwL7gPcj UP0tUay7a7xBN0xzl7UX8WuBDM+Kc1NcHLrEuB0tOBXuZnxxgCftTyCl14AJkbCR xEV375H4vW/1cAVb9faQwMOHgy064Afg7tJFQIYFQ4/QT791OmHPLGHqOyHWhTOL KBt07741Zh1Tn1JvCecaFJfts9gGEFYVoPiU1sympffZt7EO2+2fgmrOjMGrG/yP qDJFaywMjiDoCt1PnT7U =5Qnj -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Summary/Minutes from today's FPC Meeting (2013-09-26 16:00 - 18:00 UTC)
by James Antill 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

====================== #fedora-meeting-1: fpc ====================== Meeting started by abadger1999 at 16:02:30 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting-1/2013-09-26/fedora-meeting… . Meeting summary --------------- * Roll Call (abadger1999, 16:02:36) * SCLs https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 (abadger1999, 16:08:05) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1175 <= fesco ticket for our questoins last week (abadger1999, 16:09:03) Meeting ended at 18:02:33 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * abadger1999 (139) * bkabrda (58) * Rathann (47) * geppetto (36) * mattdm (30) * RemiFedora (27) * samkottler (20) * tibbs|w (9) * zodbot (8) * langdon (7) * nirik (6) * rbergeron (3) * apevec (2) * racor (1) * orionp (1) * SmootherFrOgZ (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot

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SCL Notes and Questions
by Toshio Kuratomi 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

Note: This started as notes and questions from FPC members at the meeting, progressed to more notes and questions that FPC members Remi|Fedora and abadger1999 (me) put together after the meeting, and ended with a thorough rewrite by langdon (one of the SCL Guideline drafters) after listening to abadger1999 and Remi|Fedora's explanations of their notes and questions. The final rewrite of these comments mostly takes the form of things that Should be changed in the draft but it must be noted that the final form wasn't created by the FPC so it is quite possible that the FPC will disagree or want to seek other options about some of the suggestions made here. Sorry for the confusing parentage. Comments on the SCL Draft: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Bkabrda/SCLGuidelinesDraft * Can we assume that the implementation can be changed to address problems, add features, or follow different conventions? Can be done if backwards compat is possible? Or is implementation set in stone so we'd have to kludge around any shortcomings? * One of the goals of SCLs is isolation from the rest of the system, correct? It seems, though, that once you run the enable script, that shell would have a different PATH with the possibility of a different language interpreter. As long as scripts can use /usr/bin/env as a shebang or scripts are using PATH-based commands these will end up using programs from the SCL. Should FPC revisit banning these? Is it okay to run with SCLs even without banning? Just something to document? == Criteria: When is a Collection the Right Choice? == * What is the logical limit of the "size" of that collection? * (toshio) Criteria should state whether collections are to be "thin" or "thick". Thin collections would consist of only a specific target (for instance, ruby1.9.3) and the packages needed to implement it. Thick collections would include the collection, the packages to implement it, and packages implemented on top of it. * langdon has the concept of "Ease of use" packages that are often needed by people developing in a certain environment (for instance, adding rails to the ruby1.9.3 collection). Including ease of use packages would be a restricted variety of thick collections. * langdon and I also discussed thick collections allowing as many packages being added to it as maintainers wanted. To take a python example, if people wanted to support django and flask and pyramid and TurboGears1 and TurboGears2 on python2.6 SCL, they could have packages for all of those in the python2.6 Collection. langdon thought this would be preferable to having framework-level SCLs but I have concerns about how this plays out with a backwards compatibility policy. * thin collections would depend on inter-scl dependencies to provide people with things they want for "ease of use". For instance, there could be a rails3 scl that depends on scl-ruby1.9.3 that provides rails3 for ruby1.9.3. * Naming of scls with inter-scl dependencies needs to be worked out. You might have people who want to package: rails3 + ruby1.9.3, rails4 + ruby1.9.3, rails3 + ruby2.0, rails4 + ruby2.0 and all of those need unique names. * What may the purpose of the Collection be? * Criteria should indicate that a "language" may be included but not a framework (Rails) or a complete platform (LAMP). However, optional, "ease of use" packages may be included but not installed by the main meta-package. Otherwise, the scls will need to change/fork too fast * (toshio): langdon is convinced this is the right path but I'm not sure. There's a lot of problems with how this interacts with backwards compat requirements. I think a whole package has to be worked out with how those shape up. * Databases and other "servers" may be included but should never "replace" the native versions * Collections and backwards compat: * A requirement that scls should fit the same size as reasonable backwards compat defintions from upstream. For instance, if foo-X.Y.Z and every foo-X release is backwards compatible with other foo-X releases, the scl should be for fooX and not fooXY. * The "API" of an scl should never "shrink" only "grow." For example, if Rails3 is included in the Ruby1.9 SCL, and Rails4 wants to be included it does not replace Rails3. If, hypothetically, Rails4 cannot be installed "next to" Rails3, a new SCL would need to be created to support Rails4, which requires a "real" change. * (toshio) What would the new SCL be named? * (toshio) This is problematic without also specifying a lifetime for SCLs and replacement of existing SCLs. Some of the knock-on questions around this: * What are we going to do about security issues in SCLs? Does our policy say that backwards compat is more important than security issues? * Maybe Fedora simply isn't about backwards compat to this extent and so we have to allow API breaks within a release. * Maybe the policy for SCLs in The Outer Rings should have a strict backwards compat section but SCLs in Fedora Commons are more relaxed (that would make the model: Fedora Commons SCLs are primarily for enabling different versions of dependencies for software that we want to ship in Fedora Commons; Outer Ring SCLs are primarily for enabling developers to target an SCL rather than Fedora as their platform.) * Maybe our policy should only allow "thin" SCLs. ie: a ruby1.9 SCL would just have ruby1.9 and anything it needed in order to run. If someone wanted to ship rails3 and rails4 targeted for ruby1.9, those would be two separate SCLs that depended on the ruby1.9 SCL. This allows individual SCL pieces to be deprecated without interfering with their parents or neighbors. * Only partially addressing the situation, could figure out some way to mark some pieces of an SCL as having guaranteed backwards compat while others are only implementation detail. If you had an SCL that shipped ruby1.9 but it needed a newer version of OpenSSL you might ship that inside the SCL at first. But you wouldn't want people to rely on that particular version being available in the SCL in the future (once the base OS was updated to include that version.) * No matter where it is, need to have some criteria aroud how to obsolete an SCL, how to remove an SCL altogether, and whether two separate SCLs can ship largely the same thing. * (toshio) Can we make a recommendation on how or when to use scl-dependencies. For example, in the Rails4 example above, there may be scenarios that we want to allow this in Fedora. Although, the recommendation could be that frameworks and the like should be provided outside of Fedora Commons. * Should a collection be used only for things that cannot be parallel packaged (e.g. python 3.3 can be packaged natively so it's not a candidate for an SCL but ruby1.9 cannot and thus it is) == Naming == * problem with the examples (ruby193 and examples from: http://fedorahosted.org/SoftwareCollections ) For instance, python3.3 would conflict with a python3.3 parallel stack that did not use scls. * Heard about namespace prefixes and that there were thoughts to name them after vendors (rht-ruby1.9). If we use /opt/$vendor that might make sense. * Could still have clashes with things like redhat-release, redhat-rpm-config, etc... make sure the vendors we use doesn't have any pre-existing conflicts of this sort. * scl makes sense as well. mmaslano had said that end-users wouldn't know what an scl was but remi says you'd need to use a tool called "scl" to manage which scls are active anyway. So that may not be a problem? * If we have multi-vendor for scl (fedora, rpmfusion, local admin case again), then vendor may make more sense again. * Change example naming: ruby193 => ruby1.9.3 Dots are clearer and thus preferred * Do we really want minor versions in there? or should this be ruby1.9 packages? Need to make clear that the version should be about backwards compatibility. So if ruby doesn't ensure that minor versions have compatibility, scl-ruby1.9.3 would be appropriate. OTOH, scl-python2.7 would be appropriate for an upstream that does have minor version backwards compat. == File Location == * If we're going to use /opt/vendor: * scls should then obey the rest of the standard: /var/opt and /etc/opt are for host specific state and config. Is that the case? can it be fixed if not? * We'd need to get a fedora vendor string from LANANA * Might not want it to be "fedora" that might be more likely to be taken than something else. "fedoraproject"? "fdr"? * Other locations: * /usr/scl * (toshio): "Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy." which could be interpreted as forbiding this location. (Although others may be more strict about defining "large sofware packages"). * %{_libdir}/scl * (toshio): I don't see an FHS problem with this although the same issue arises about putting the host-specific config in /etc and the variable state data in /var. I'm also coming around to /opt/$registered_vendor being the least-wrong place for this. * What does the filesystem layout look like inside of this prefix? /opt/$vendor/scl/rht-ruby1.9.3/{normal filesystem}? * Does this allow local sites and addon repos to make their own vendor? How? (Thinking of rhel/centos, epel, and local admin here. Or fedora/rpmfusion, and local admin) * Are scls allowed to install files outside of the scl tree? If so, what types of files (criteria) and the naming of these? (systemd unit files, rpm macro files, launchers for applications/language interpreters in the scl? Should we go with the FHS recommendation about /opt/vendor containing everything that is necessary for the package and then making copies(symlinks maybe?) to other needed locations? * (langdon) personally, i dont think it should touch anything besides opt and, potentially, symlinks * (toshio) Well, how do things like the postgres package that start a daemon work then? * (toshio) I don't think we can have symlinks into /opt work as expected but symlinks out of /opt should work. /etc/opt/scl/[...]/config and /var/opt/scl/[...]/state are both host-specific while /opt may be a shared network filesystem. == Spec Files == * Why don't we follow the mingw model and have separate spec files (mingw is both separate spec and separate package) for scl? Advantages: * Many fewer conditionals in spec files (greater readability/maintainabilty) * Primary maintainer doesn't need to know or care about SCLs if other people do * SCL could be the only spec that is necessary or desired for a particular component * Can a SCL spec be "only" an SCL spec (will not build a non-scl rpm)? If so, we need some more content describing this scenario. * Propose moving the "style guide" to before the example (e.g. Section 3 before Section 2), so that some of the following questions don't come up for the reader * Why are there so many macros that mean the same thing? -- %scl, %pkg_name, %scl_name, %name === Specific comments on the draft === * Move template to the bottom of the draft. Had many questions after reading the template that were eventually answered in other parts of the draft. * Style guide is not to have a period at the end of Summary * Description in template should probably be more clear that packagers should fill in a proper description * Template skips %prep and %build. Are these empty? If so, just include the empty %prep and %build headers. * "The -build subpackage should include Requires: scl-utils-build." Why a should and not a must? * Content about the enable scriptlet implies that the usual path macros (_bindir etc) are changed in the scl package. Need to make it clear what standard macros are being overridden to what. Perhaps consider "tables" like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:MinGW#Filesystem_location_macros but with slightly different columns, e,g, macro | override? | Normally Modified? | example | description * "The macros.%{scl}-config in %{scl}-build package contains the %scl macro definition (name of the SCL). If you need to use some more macros for this SCL, add them into this file." <= but there's nothing in the spec file that obviously creates this. Need instructions on how to create this file for manual use and then how to include the file in the spec file and not have whatever automated macro normally creates it not overwrite it. * "essential for its runtime". "Essential" needs to be explained and hopefully it is just a link to the earlier part of the doc. * -runtime package must be arch specific => it contains %{scl_prefix}%{_libdir} so it's arch dependent. (and this means the main package must be arch specific too) * Creating the enable file in %install -- would rather see macros like: - %scl_add_path %scl_add_ld_library_path %scl_add_manpath than the HERE-doc style thing that will cut and paste to most specs. * "set of macros that contain the values of the original RPM macros" should be expanded on. naming of these could be better => establish a common prefix for anything that is being overridden instead of %pkg_name vs %_root_. also pkg_name probably conflicts with some existing packages. Maybe something like %_prescl_name, %_prescl_libdir, etc. [can change the recommendation from: packagers should define %pkg_name to packagers should define a macro that is the value of pkg_name => %{?scl: %global srcname %pkg_name and %{?!scl: %global srcname %name} * Little more guidance needed for Requires. Maybe making the examples more real-life would clarify things. ("Since ifconfig is a binary we're going to use the system version of, do not use scl_prefix with it. rubygem-foo, otoh, has to be in the path of the ruby interpreter which this scl is to be a part of. Therefore it needs to use scl_prefix"). Also, an example of a "Versioned Requires" would be helpful. * Need more wording on Requires: of non-scl packages as they can act as conflicts. Something like: Requires: foo = 1.2.3 … where the scl package is the only thing keeping foo back at that version. So you can't update "the OS" without updating the scl. wording might be something like "yes, you can require non-scl stuff … but you have to be very general in your requirements, and if you need something that might be updated you have to either scl bundle it or be willing to rebuild the scl when it updates". * Should we list somewhere the scl-modified deps scripts? Otherwise how will someone creating a new ocaml-scl know whether an ocaml-scl dep script has already been written? * Please elaborate on the function of %scl_package_override() * In the dealing with macro files section: I think that the "Now consider a situation[...]" starts a whole new scenario? Correct? If so, needs to be better phrased right now it's associating with the previous examples but it doesn't seem to make sense in that context. * So If I've understood everything correctly, building in a standard buildroot will get you a non-scl'd package. Building with the $scl-build package installed will build the scl version? * Should say that in the first line of Building Packages * In Building Packages: Don't need to include scl-utils-build explicitly in the config_opts line (brought in via dependencies), correct? == Design == * What directories is an SCL allowed to modify? * Naming of packages is a problem as currently designed. Liklihood of conflict with native packages is very high. Propose to include "scl-" at the begining of names. * Include "dots" in names, e.g. ruby1.9 rather than ruby19 == Conversion to SCLs == * Parts of this section are more "tips & tricks"? Should it be on a non-guideline page? * Probably best to vette the advice anyway and then move what makes sense to a separate page afterwards. * Add information about why /usr/bin/env is not a generally good thing in SCLs. If this is more general than SCLs, does FPC need to revisit a ban on /usr/bin/env in shebangs? * sed line should limit to the first line of the file as well as the shebang pattern. * how does scl deal with compiled-in paths inside of binaries? Does it depend on %configure to do the right thing with %{_libdir} etc? If so we should point out to people that old-school builds which aren't configure driven may need patches (actually, this applies to install location as well as compiled-in paths and to scripts that have file paths embedded as well as binaries) * How do auto provides and requires for elf libraries work? == Inter-SCL Dependencies == * Example of using this with versioned Requires? * The %scl_require example just doesn't seem right somehow.... The ruby193 scl brings in rails-3.2.3? That seems like poor naming (if the metapackage brings in rails, then it should be named rails. OTOH, if the package purpose is to provide ruby193 then rails should be optional not essential.) or poor dependency management (Which would be part of the higher level questions of what can be an SCL and what can be inside an SCL). * Are non-scl packages allowed to dep on scl packages? If so, how do they do so? * The filters don't work in EL6 thing.... people seem more excited about SCLs in EPEL than in fedora so we probably need to document how to filter the provides and requires for EL6. However, we can point to the EPEL6 Differences page from here and document the behaviour there. == Build & Distribution == * What are the impacts on the build system? * How are we preventing build problems from the mainline package from interfering with the scl package and vice versa? * How are we allowing for a package to be built in more than one scl? * How are we allowing for differences between scls? (ie: ruby1.9.3 scl with rubygem-foo1.0; ruby2.0 scl with rubygem-foo2.0) * How are we preventing build problems from one scl from interfering with a different scl? * Remi mentions that he thinks it would be done in a separate branch. Would we need a branch per scl that the package is built in? * How do SCLs get distributed? * Is this a "separate repo" or is it just in the normal repo(s)? * (toshio) Both. Some SCLs can go into Fedora Commons which would continue to have one repo. SCLs in the outer rings would have some separate structure. * Build section would benefit from minor sections, perhaps: "Overview," "Testing" and "Example"? Sections need a bit more color to be understandable. == General Comments == * mingw is a similar set of guidelines (but in separate spec files rather than the same one.) So issues like what their naming solves and tracking of fedora packages could be looked at. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:MinGW. The mingw packaging guidelines should also be reviewed for "missing content" vs this proposal. * No definition of a SCL appears in the document * Example text: Software Collections (SCLs) give rpm packagers a means of packaging multiple versions of software for a single distribution. The version from the software collection does not interact with the system version. They can provide backwards and forwards compat versions of a package compared to what's on the system. * Include "definitions" at the beginning of the document, some example things that need definition (and suggestions) * SCL -> whole software collection? <- originally the term was "dynamic software collection" for the "whole thing" but it has fallen in to disuse... we could bring it back * SCL defining package -> the srpm-level package that defines the scl. * SCL metapackage -> built from the SCL defining package. defines the essential packages you get when you install the scl. * SCL runtime package -> built from the SCL defining package. It's the setup of the system for this SCL including registering the SCL with the system and setting up the filesystem. * SCL build package -> built from the SCL defining package. It contains macro definitions needed to build an SCL. * SCL package -> any package which can be built for an SCL. * Elaborate on what "belongs" in the "-runtime" package * Extracting one of these from the sample repository seems like it's a filesystem package directory tree inside of the scl? Anything else? * From the SCLinFedora page, why the differentiation between regular package reviews and scl package reviews? -Toshio

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Re: [Fedora-packaging] Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-09-26 16:00 UTC)
by Ralph Amissah 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

* Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com> [Thu, 26 Sep 2013 10:01:00 +0200], wrote: > Quoting Ralph Amissah (2013-09-25 20:54:49) > > * James Antill <james(a)fedoraproject.org> > > > #topic #346 Bundling exception request for Eclipse Sisu > > > .fpc 346 > > > https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/346 > > > > > > > There is a package called sisu (available in Debian since 2005 (started > > in 1997), and used for example for documentation with translations) that > > I have hoped to have packaged for Fedora. > > > > The home page is pretty minimal > > http://www.sisudoc.org/ > > also > > http://www.jus.uio.no/sisu > > > > Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SiSU > > > > Debian: > > http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/sisu.html > > > > You are welcome to whatever help I can offer to package this for Fedora. > > Thanks for your cosideration. > > I will note that sisu in Fedora is completely different package. Originally a > Sonatype project, it's a "JSR 330 based container and Plexus adapter". In other > words a Java library. > > You can still package sisudoc for Fedora of course, but it would have to use a > different name than "sisu" (sisudoc perhaps?) > SiSU is not particularly widely known or used, but I would humbly suggest you drop your naming exception for a java/library an eclipse package to end up using the same name. You could continue to identify it as an eclipse or java library. Ultimately you are right SiSU could be packaged for Fedora as sisudoc, though my preference for consistency, given that SiSU is invoked by use of the command "sisu" ... is understandable. > -- > Stanislav Ochotnicky <sochotnicky(a)redhat.com> > Software Engineer - Developer Experience > > PGP: 7B087241 > Red Hat Inc. http://cz.redhat.com

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Moving configuration files in a package...
by Darryl L. Pierce 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

For one package I maintain (qpid-cpp-server) the upstream team moved the location of the configuration file from /etc to /etc/qpid, where the other configuration files lived. I pushed the latest update and am now getting hit with negative karma and a BZ complaining about this change. What is SOP for when a project moves configurations? I had resisted the suggestion of having the spec move the configuration. Talking with other packagers they agreed. But simply replying to a BZ with "the file's moved, just copy yours over" and closing the BZ feels a bit aloof. Suggestions? -- Darryl L. Pierce <mcpierce(a)gmail.com> http://mcpierce.fedorapeople.org/ "What do you care what people think, Mr. Feynman?"

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Schedule for Thursday's FPC Meeting (2013-09-26 16:00 UTC)
by James Antill 26 Sep '13

26 Sep '13

Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the FPC meeting Thursday at 2013-09-26 16:00 UTC in #fedora-meeting-1 on irc.freenode.net. Local time information (via. rktime): 2013-09-26 09:00 Thu US/Pacific PDT 2013-09-26 12:00 Thu US/Eastern EDT 2013-09-26 16:00 Thu UTC <- 2013-09-26 17:00 Thu Europe/London BST 2013-09-26 18:00 Thu Europe/Paris CEST 2013-09-26 18:00 Thu Europe/Berlin CEST 2013-09-26 21:30 Thu Asia/Calcutta IST ------------------new day---------------------- 2013-09-27 00:00 Fri Asia/Singapore SGT 2013-09-27 00:00 Fri Asia/Hong_Kong HKT 2013-09-27 01:00 Fri Asia/Tokyo JST 2013-09-27 02:00 Fri Australia/Brisbane EST Links to all tickets below can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 = Followups = #topic #339 software collections in Fedora .fpc 339 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/339 = New business = #topic #344 Wrong library name conflicts solution .fpc 344 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/344 #topic #345 Ruby guidelines: Filtering automatic provides .fpc 345 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/345 #topic #346 Bundling exception request for Eclipse Sisu .fpc 346 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/346 #topic #347 minetest - jthread bundle .fpc 347 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/347 #topic #348 LangPacks Naming Guidelines draft .fpc 348 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/348 #topic #349 bundling exception for LINPACK && DQRDC2 .fpc 349 https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/ticket/349 = Open Floor = For more complete details, please visit each individual ticket. The report of the agenda items can be found at: https://fedorahosted.org/fpc/report/12 If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can reply to this e-mail, file a new ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/fpc, e-mail me directly, or bring it up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.

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