Hi all, I see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group#... says that
" The best ways for you to illustrate your understanding of the packaging guidelines are to submit quality packages and to assist with package reviews."
My question is that is it really mandatory for new contributors to assist with pre-reviews of packages in NEW queue? Can we sponsor new contributor based on his package submissions only( say he submitted 3 to 5 packages)?
Regards, Parag.
On 06/03/2010 08:44 AM, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
Hi all, I see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group#... says that
" The best ways for you to illustrate your understanding of the packaging guidelines are to submit quality packages and to assist with package reviews."
My question is that is it really mandatory for new contributors to assist with pre-reviews of packages in NEW queue? Can we sponsor new contributor based on his package submissions only( say he submitted 3 to 5 packages)?
Technically, yes, you can, but I strongly recommend that you have him/her review someone else's package before sponsoring that person. It provides sufficient evidence that they are aware of the Packaging Guidelines and can identify issues in other packages that they did not write the spec file for.
~spot
On 06/03/2010 07:44 AM, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
Hi all, I see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group#... says that
" The best ways for you to illustrate your understanding of the packaging guidelines are to submit quality packages and to assist with package reviews."
My question is that is it really mandatory for new contributors to assist with pre-reviews of packages in NEW queue? Can we sponsor new contributor based on his package submissions only( say he submitted 3 to 5 packages)?
My understanding has been that it's not absolutely necessary, but preferred. Ultimately it's up to the sponsor's judgement, so long as the person demonstrates ability and understanding of the guidelines. It's just very, very highly recommended, as pre-reviews are a great way not only to demonstrate, but to learn. I've taught people quite a bit by critiquing their practice reviews, and they've generally found the experience helpful.
-J
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On 06/03/2010 02:44 PM, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
Hi all, I see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group#... says that
" The best ways for you to illustrate your understanding of the packaging guidelines are to submit quality packages and to assist with package reviews."
My question is that is it really mandatory for new contributors to assist with pre-reviews of packages in NEW queue?
IMO, yes.
Can we sponsor new contributor based on his package submissions only( say he submitted 3 to 5 packages)?
IMO, no. The point behind all this is the candidate to demonstrate his "understanding". As I see it, "number of packages" isn't actually related to this kind of "understanding".
"3 to 5 packages" can mean a packager blindly and mechanically copying other people's works without him actually having understood what he is doing.
On the other hand, there are candidate packagers with a long history in packaging and deep understanding which simply are "new to Fedora" and are unfamiliar to the "Fedora packaging" process. In these cases, "3 to 5" packages may easily be a too high measure.
Ralf
Hi,
2010/6/3 Ralf Corsepius rc040203@freenet.de:
On 06/03/2010 02:44 PM, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
Hi all, I see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_get_sponsored_into_the_packager_group#... says that
" The best ways for you to illustrate your understanding of the packaging guidelines are to submit quality packages and to assist with package reviews."
My question is that is it really mandatory for new contributors to assist with pre-reviews of packages in NEW queue?
IMO, yes.
Can we sponsor new contributor based on his package submissions only( say he submitted 3 to 5 packages)?
IMO, no. The point behind all this is the candidate to demonstrate his "understanding". As I see it, "number of packages" isn't actually related to this kind of "understanding".
"3 to 5 packages" can mean a packager blindly and mechanically copying other people's works without him actually having understood what he is doing.
On the other hand, there are candidate packagers with a long history in packaging and deep understanding which simply are "new to Fedora" and are unfamiliar to the "Fedora packaging" process. In these cases, "3 to 5" packages may easily be a too high measure.
Ralf
I see all above replies in favor of sponsor person to ask new contributor to pre-review some packages. Can't then this be mandated to each sponsor that before he will sponsor someone he must ask new contributors for pre-reviews? I think it should not be good to have something written(to assist with package reviews) in sponsorship model and we are taking its meaning something else (not needed pre-reviews).
The only reason I am in need of this explanation is that then I will not ask new contributors for pre-reviews and will sponsor them based on their submissions only.
Parag.
On Fri, Jun 04, 2010 at 06:48:32AM +0530, Parag N(पराग़) wrote:
I see all above replies in favor of sponsor person to ask new contributor to pre-review some packages. Can't then this be mandated to each sponsor that before he will sponsor someone he must ask new contributors for pre-reviews? I think it should not be good to have something written(to assist with package reviews) in sponsorship model and we are taking its meaning something else (not needed pre-reviews).
The only reason I am in need of this explanation is that then I will not ask new contributors for pre-reviews and will sponsor them based on their submissions only.
This should have gone to the devel list rather than the packaging-list but oh well..
Over the past several years, we've been reworking pieces of the infrastrucure and the packager policy in response to requests to be able to sponsor people without having them prove that that they are knowledgable packagers. Instead sponsorship into packagers represents a sponsor deciding that a packager is someone that can be taught how to package. This allows the sponsor to mentor the packager as they work on an existing package rather than packages that are wholly new, for instance.
The split of provenpackagers and packagers was the big change that was meant to enable this. No longer were packagers able to commit to any of the thousand packages that was opened to the packager group, instead they were only able to commit to packages where they were granted explicit power to commit.
Similarly, recently we reworked the sponsor responsibilities page to say that the sponsor is not responsible for cleaning up after their spnsorees in the event the sponsoree wreacks havoc -- instead the package maintainer who adds the packager to the commit acl for their package is taking responsibility for cleaning up.
The idea that the pre-review is a necessary step to sponsorship is not entirely in keeping with this, making the step mandatory, even less so.
-Toshio
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