g11n December 2015

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Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by Pravin Satpute 23 Jun '20

23 Jun '20

Hi All, I am sure, most of the people working with Fedora I18N, L10N from 5-6 year must be aware regarding Fedora L10N Steering Committee. [1] As far as i know this committee was active around 2009 and very effective. During Fedora G11N activity day discussions, we again felt there is need for some kind of official committee to drive Fedora Globalization activities. Fedora is growing faster with number of different domains and G11N also need to adapt those changes quickly to remain on the track. For this purpose and in line with [1], we were thinking of Fedora Globalization steering committee. I have created initial proposal for it. [2] Its open for feedback, please feel free to share other active members, discuss in your respective language groups. This is just initial proposal and i am sure, we can improve and make it more effective with active participation. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N_Steering_Committee?rd=L10N/SteeringComm… 2. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_G11N_Steering_Committee_Proposal

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[Followup] Translation deadline around Beta
by Noriko Mizumoto 13 Sep '16

13 Sep '16

Hi All I have looked through devel team schedule closer, and decided to propose the move of all software translation related events rather than the add another translation deadline, to minimize the impact to devel and Rel-Eng teams. However I only have translator's view and not developer's. If you think this is impossible with some reason, let me know. Also it is much appreciated any input. Thanks noriko

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Zanata asking Fedora users to provide name, userid and email even after FAS openid login
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 03 Jan '16

03 Jan '16

Hi All, $subject. Two problems: 1. There is chance of FAS user can create account with different username and it will affect our plan to connect with FedBus and generate stats. 2. Was talking with CLA agreement with Zanata guys earlier. They said rather than they work on signing agreement from users, they want user simply sign CLA of different project i.e. Fedora, OepnStack and they will simply connect users to respective project portal. In this case no need to sign other terms of Zanata (please correct me here if i am wrong). I mean just user can simply log in and start work. Most of you might have seen it earlier. I thought its possible to get rid of this and created ticket against Fedora Infra. [1] Looks like there is method/way already. Will be very nice if we can improvement it. Will be very nice if Zanata team works with puiterwijk and fix it soon. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/4947

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Fedora Zanata Survey Results
by Luke Brooker 18 Dec '15

18 Dec '15

Hi All, I’m glad to finally share the results from the survey many of you helped with back in October. It’s been a great help to understand what is needed by this community. I hope this gives you some insight into how we are thinking about the upcoming design & development of Zanata. http://zanata.org/blog/fedora-zanata-survey-results/ We always welcome more Feedback. The post shares how best to share any new feedback you have. -- Thanks, Luke Brooker | UX Designer/Developer Ex: 8587102 | W: +61.735147102 | M: +61421278766 IRC: lukebrooker | T:@lukebrooker

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 17 Dec '15

17 Dec '15

On 16 December 2015 at 15:57, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> * >> http://blogs.adobe.com/globalization/2012/04/12/globalization-myth-series-m… >> * https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Globalization_Proposal >> >> I believe above both link can answer your queries. >> > The fact that I, more recently, doing fedora localization into Russian. and > of course I have read your wiki page, but besides the general, "marketing" > phrases I could not see anything. > > what issues will decide this project? what are the goals for the project > fedora. you can find the time to express their own vision and not to answer > me a link 3 years ago? From your earlier reply, I thought you are asking for some external links with definition. :) > > I personally see the existing problems at the stage of localization Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) > and you > offer to the problems of old projects to add a new project. budget plan, > assign positions. how it will solve the existing problems? Please, its not only me. Rather the whole active group present At FAD thought there is need of FG governance group. We have created this proposal in Globalization FAD itself. [3] I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can learn and improve further. Again will be very helpful, if you can draft problems you think presently open somewhere or mention in mailing list itself with other thread. Regards, Pravin 3. https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZaDEL…

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

On 17 December 2015 at 00:26, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Lets use it for improving Fedora project. > > > I am already a member of the team of localization and Ambassador. and I am > confronted with the fact that I do not quite localized materials, which I've > been doing, and the documentation that I translate. and confronted with the > fact that my fellow countrymen not heard about the project fedora. and you > are now starting some New Year's vanity with the development budget and the > distribution of decision-making positions, although completely ignore my > requests to present your vision of globalization. that will be used as a > basis and any problems will be solved and how. > Glad to meet you :) Added few more explanation to Goals. It is still Draft, so feel free to suggest improvements. > >> You are not subscribed to G11N list yet. That is why those gets >> filtered out and once i get notification, i am approving it. Please >> subscribe to list and save me from manual administration [4] >> Its not my list, we have 4 members administrating it. [5] > > > yah! on your I do not know how to subscribe? Do you think I get these > letters? the first thing I did this "again" signed up for the newsletter and > receive notifications that have already been signed. I still don't see your email "user15092011(a)gmail.com" in subscriber list. Please subscribe with this email id. > >> Its Wiki, please feel free to add your feedback there. We don't want >> to lose your valuable feedback. > > > you still have not laid your own vision of the project g11n Please refer Wiki. We are looking for shared vision not individual. If you have any idea, please share. - Pravin

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Re: Proposal: Fedora G11N Steering Committee
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

On 16 December 2015 at 15:32, Andrei Fediukov <user15092011(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Please mention those problems. I think that will be good start to Form >> translation group as suggested by Zoltan in earlier reply. >> I would love to participate as a member of this group with you all :) > > > a good start would be to solve the problems of localization, which I'll let > you know if you do not know the current situation. Respecting your expertise !!. Lets use it for improving Fedora project. >> I am just opening up this for wider group for suggestion and feedback. >> Positive/Negative feedback are welcome. I think this is way we can >> learn and improve further. > > > hope mailing list has become open and not closed and only for "members of > the mailing list" (and then somehow does not agree with your words "open" > and "broader groups") and I, as a subscriber of your mailing list, no longer > have to specifically ask you to publish my message. You are not subscribed to G11N list yet. That is why those gets filtered out and once i get notification, i am approving it. Please subscribe to list and save me from manual administration [4] Its not my list, we have 4 members administrating it. [5] > and why our correspondence does not enter the discussion page? You're hiding > something? Its Wiki, please feel free to add your feedback there. We don't want to lose your valuable feedback. Thanks, Pravin 4. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/ 5. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/g11n.lists.fedoraproject.org/me…

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my summary report of G11N FAD Tokyo 2015
by Noriko Mizumoto 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hi As all we know, we had successful and memorable first G11N FAD 2015 in Tokyo between 1st to 3rd November. It was already a month ago, but just thought that it might be good to share the summary report what I discussed with others and some achievement for mainly Localization. I also like to attach the overall summary prepared by Jens [1] and the stsatus presentation slide for L10N and FLTG prepared by Ani [2], thanks guys. [DAY 1] We, l10n, fltg, i18n, zanata, all got together and presented the status each other. During hackathon, I have worked and created 'G11N' presentation slide with other members. This will be available on G11N wiki page. In the evening, we also had hangout talk and shared ideas with Cambodian team joining FAD online. [DAY 2] In the morning, we all had hangout talk and shared ideas with Fedora Project Leader, Matthew. As part of hackaton, I have joined the discussion about new FGSCo structure proposal to strengthen our team as one G11N. Then I joined the hackathon of recent zanata survey feedback analysis. It was fun and fruitful dinner gathering at the end. [DAY 3] L10N team and FLTG discussed to determine important packages to localize, giving priority. So that translators can easily find which package to start without asking around. The deprecated packages list has also been updated. In order to achieve this, we had a lot of help from I18N team members as well. I have had proposed 'software deadline change for F24' and discussed with others. We arrived the consensus no-go for this proposal, instead I18N members will start seeking and developing a script to auto-detect string breaks. L10N members will monitor the breaks closer and produce statistics. As future F24 planning, we L10N members aim to hold more local sprints/workshops. [1]:https://docs.google.com/document/d/17LU-PmtuirbGd7wfxUuKTz7X6fsv82PVPgZa… [2]:https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/12Ffl1fRnLWahtmrvDCWEdgr671doJWjS… Thanks for reading :-) noriko

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Minutes of 2015/12/16 G11N (L10N and Zanata) meeting
by Pravin Satpute 16 Dec '15

16 Dec '15

Hi all, We had good meeting today. Please note, no meeting for next two week due to Christmas and New year celebrations. Minutes are as follows: ===================== #fedora-meeting: g11n ===================== Meeting started by pravins at 05:00:14 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2015-12-16/g11n.2015-12-16-… . Meeting summary --------------- * agenda and roll call (pravins, 05:00:21) * LINK: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-12-16 (pravins, 05:00:24) * Upcoming schedule (pravins, 05:01:54) * 2016-01-12 Change Checkpoint: Proposal submission deadline (System Wide Changes) (pravins, 05:01:59) * not scheduled yet Side Tag Builds Deadline (pravins, 05:01:59) * not required Mass Rebuild (pravins, 05:01:59) * 2016-02-02 Branch Fedora 24 from Rawhide (Rawhide becomes future F25) (pravins, 05:01:59) * 2016-02-16 Alpha Freeze (*) (pravins, 05:02:00) * 2016-02-16 Software String Freeze (pravins, 05:02:00) * 2016-02-16 Change Checkpoint: Completion deadline (testable) (pravins, 05:02:01) * 2016-02-16 Bodhi activation point (pravins, 05:02:03) * Action items (pravins, 05:02:34) * aeng to ping Luke for survey blog post. (pravins, 05:03:40) * noriko to post L10N sprint idea to trans mailing list. (pravins, 05:05:12) * tagoh_ to drop email in mailing list g11n/devel regarding string (pravins, 05:06:18) * G11N FAD (pravins, 05:09:47) * #43: G11N FAD in 2015 (pravins, 05:09:47) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/i18n/ticket/43 (pravins, 05:09:47) * Zanata feedback survey (pravins, 05:11:56) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/3 (pravins, 05:11:56) * LINK: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18YRLc2OdmrSEnyN5ykJncj5SR67IDlM-UbTIyHO… (lukebrooker, 05:14:32) * ACTION: lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. (pravins, 05:17:32) * L10N and Zanata planning for Fedora 24 (pravins, 05:17:46) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/G11N/ticket/16 (pravins, 05:17:46) * G11n Governance (Pravin) (pravins, 05:19:36) * L10n Sprints (pravins, 05:19:54) * Automation of langpack LiveCD (Parag) (pravins, 05:24:52) * meeting time (pravins, 05:27:28) * Open Floor (pravins, 05:35:52) * No meeting on 23rd and 30th Dec. due to Christmas and New years celebrations. (pravins, 05:37:58) Meeting ended at 05:44:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ * lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. Action Items, by person ----------------------- * lukebrooker * lukebrooker to publish Zanata survey summary post by Friday 18th Dec. * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * pravins (114) * juhp (19) * noriko (13) * lukebrooker (9) * zodbot (7) * tagoh_ (3) * suanand (2) * mfabian (1) * ueno (1) * paragan (1) * epico (1) * fujiwarat (1) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot Regards, Pravin Satpute

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Reminder: G11N meeting tomorrow At 05:00 UTC focused on L10N and Zanata
by pravin.d.s＠gmail.com 15 Dec '15

15 Dec '15

Hi all, We have meeting tomorrow At #fedora-meeting (Freenode). Agenda is available at [1]. Action items, by person from 2nd Dec meeting * aeng to ping Luke for survey blog post. * pravins to close #2 * pravins to create wiki and send on trans mailing list for feedback. * noriko to post L10N sprint idea to trans mailing list. * pravins aeng will coordinate for G11N wiki restructuring. Will drop email on list. * complete first https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N * tagoh_ to drop email in mailing list g11n/devel regarding string breakage monitoring project. * pravins aeng to discuss on L10N badges and update later. Regards, Pravin Satpute 1. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/G11N/Meetings/2015-12-16

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