Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 09:03:01 AM you wrote:
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
Yes... It is a known bug... Its been sitting in kde's bugzilla for over a year..... I guess they will fix it when they get a round-to-it.
Anybody have any spare round-to-its to give them. :)
Eli
Quoting "Victor B. Gonzalez" fedoraproject@vbgunz.com:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 09:03:01 AM you wrote:
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
-- Best Regards Victor B. Gonzalez _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
I'm a bit happy. I found the bug report thanks to you Eli. I was going over it and I got two ideas out of it. The first was to switch from webkit to KHTML in Konqueror. I haven't used Konqueror in a long time so I did that *but* I was able to recreate the crash.
That alone didn't solve the problem but I left KHTML selected.
Further down in the bug report a user said "disable the cache in Konqueror" and so I did that and so far, no crashing. I mean, I followed my pattern for a little while and it never crashed. I haven't lost my faith completely but I wouldn't be surprised I get a crash soon but so far so good.
The bug report I found is here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286307
Thanks Eli, hopefully I won't see a crash in a while.
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:29:10 AM Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Yes... It is a known bug... Its been sitting in kde's bugzilla for over a year..... I guess they will fix it when they get a round-to-it.
Anybody have any spare round-to-its to give them. :)
Eli
Quoting "Victor B. Gonzalez" fedoraproject@vbgunz.com:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 09:03:01 AM you wrote:
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote:
Hello,
I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen about 20 segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really needed to do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it.
I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably avoided using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no choice. I won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them.
I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am hoping for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits end.
Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
-- Best Regards Victor B. Gonzalez _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean.
Disable cacheing? huh.... Gonna try that. Hopefully this will work. And me too... Haven't used Konqueror in a very very long time
Eli
Quoting "Victor B. Gonzalez" fedoraproject@vbgunz.com:
I'm a bit happy. I found the bug report thanks to you Eli. I was going over it and I got two ideas out of it. The first was to switch from webkit to KHTML in Konqueror. I haven't used Konqueror in a long time so I did that *but* I was able to recreate the crash.
That alone didn't solve the problem but I left KHTML selected.
Further down in the bug report a user said "disable the cache in Konqueror" and so I did that and so far, no crashing. I mean, I followed my pattern for a little while and it never crashed. I haven't lost my faith completely but I wouldn't be surprised I get a crash soon but so far so good.
The bug report I found is here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286307
Thanks Eli, hopefully I won't see a crash in a while.
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:29:10 AM Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Yes... It is a known bug... Its been sitting in kde's bugzilla for over a year..... I guess they will fix it when they get a round-to-it.
Anybody have any spare round-to-its to give them. :)
Eli
Quoting "Victor B. Gonzalez" fedoraproject@vbgunz.com:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 09:03:01 AM you wrote:
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote: > Hello, > > I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen > about > 20 > segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really > needed > to > do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it. > > I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably > avoided > using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no > choice. > I > won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them. > > I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I am > hoping > for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits > end. > > Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much :(
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It seems to work better.... I will let you know after a few days using or the first crash.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 04:39:18 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
I'm a bit happy. I found the bug report thanks to you Eli. I was going over it and I got two ideas out of it. The first was to switch from webkit to KHTML in Konqueror. I haven't used Konqueror in a long time so I did that *but* I was able to recreate the crash.
That alone didn't solve the problem but I left KHTML selected.
Further down in the bug report a user said "disable the cache in Konqueror" and so I did that and so far, no crashing. I mean, I followed my pattern for a little while and it never crashed. I haven't lost my faith completely but I wouldn't be surprised I get a crash soon but so far so good.
The bug report I found is here https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=286307
Thanks Eli, hopefully I won't see a crash in a while.
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:29:10 AM Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Yes... It is a known bug... Its been sitting in kde's bugzilla for over a year..... I guess they will fix it when they get a round-to-it.
Anybody have any spare round-to-its to give them. :)
Eli
Quoting "Victor B. Gonzalez" fedoraproject@vbgunz.com:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 09:03:01 AM you wrote:
If you afre allowing the loading of external references, try disabling that.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 01:04:02 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 07:32:25 AM you wrote:
On Sunday 10 June 2012 00:25:02 fedoraproject@vbgunz.com wrote: > Hello, > > I went through a session a couple hours ago and must have seen > about > 20 > segfault 11's. I am not kidding, it's no exaggeration, I really > needed > to > do something important and I needed Kmail. I really needed it. > > I lived with these constant crashes and in fact, I've probably > avoided > using my client because of them, up until the moment, I have no > choice. > I > won't write up a bug report because I can't reliably repeat them. > > I don't even have an idea about why I am writing this, I guess I > am > hoping > for a miracle. I want to keep using Kmail but I am near my wits > end. > > Any ideas on what could be causing Kmail to crash.. a lot?
Try this...
Disable nepomuk.... reboot.. renable nepomuk... reboot. See if that clears things up. It did for me....
Sorry for the Windowsish suggestion.
Eli
I disabled Nepomuk and rebooted. I launched Kmail and I got an error (unable to fetch item from backend), I restarted Kmail and then tried repeating what I was doing earlier to cause so many segfaults.
I can't say step for step what I am doing but the general idea is, filtering the inbox for messages, then going through HTML messages and clicking on links.
Boom Segfault 11. That was my first and I know I have no need to dig further.
I am obsessed with using Kmail because I want as much of the KDE experience I can have, I love some of the principles but this is becoming too much
:(
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On 06/10/2012 03:19 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
In my experience, this is related to having and old (< 11.2 version) flash-plugin installed *and* defaulting konq to using webkit over khtml.
Does this match your setup?
(though having a backtrace could help confirm that or not)
-- rex
Nope... Configured khtml and I have the latest greatest installed from adobe's repo.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 09:08:13 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/10/2012 03:19 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
In my experience, this is related to having and old (< 11.2 version) flash-plugin installed *and* defaulting konq to using webkit over khtml.
Does this match your setup?
(though having a backtrace could help confirm that or not)
-- rex _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
On 06/10/2012 11:20 AM, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Nope... Configured khtml and I have the latest greatest installed from adobe's repo.
OK, strange then. that's when my crashes stop happening.
-- rex
On Sunday 10 June 2012 09:08:13 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/10/2012 03:19 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
In my experience, this is related to having and old (< 11.2 version) flash-plugin installed *and* defaulting konq to using webkit over khtml.
Does this match your setup?
(though having a backtrace could help confirm that or not)
-- rex _______________________________________________ kde mailing list kde@lists.fedoraproject.org https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde New to KDE4? - get help from http://userbase.kde.org
I have flash-plugin version 11.2.202.236, on Fedora 17 64, using KDE 4.8.3. I was really happy that disabling cache and probably switching webkit to KHTML helped *but* this morning, after resuming from a suspend, I switched from a sub-folder that contains this mailing list to my inbox and Kmail crashed with a segfault 11.
I just wish rather than crashing some really mean things were written to a log or something instead. I give full permission to use profanity in my logs if necessary. I just wish using Kmail didn't feel like using beta software, it's probably my 2nd most important application of all time :(
On Sunday, June 10, 2012 11:25:34 AM Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/10/2012 11:20 AM, Eli Wapniarski wrote:
Nope... Configured khtml and I have the latest greatest installed from adobe's repo.
OK, strange then. that's when my crashes stop happening.
-- rex
On Sunday 10 June 2012 09:08:13 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/10/2012 03:19 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
In my experience, this is related to having and old (< 11.2 version) flash-plugin installed *and* defaulting konq to using webkit over khtml.
Does this match your setup?
(though having a backtrace could help confirm that or not)
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On Sunday 10 June 2012 20:05:59 Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
I have flash-plugin version 11.2.202.236, on Fedora 17 64, using KDE 4.8.3. I was really happy that disabling cache and probably switching webkit to KHTML helped *but* this morning, after resuming from a suspend, I switched from a sub-folder that contains this mailing list to my inbox and Kmail crashed with a segfault 11.
I just wish rather than crashing some really mean things were written to a log or something instead. I give full permission to use profanity in my logs if necessary. I just wish using Kmail didn't feel like using beta software, it's probably my 2nd most important application of all time :(
I completely concur with this.
Eli
On Sunday 10 June 2012 09:08:13 Rex Dieter wrote:
On 06/10/2012 03:19 AM, Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:
It looks like you might be on to something. I don't load the external references automatically so I decided to go click crazy in the pattern I usually find myself crashing Kmail and it didn't crash.
I am guessing this is a known bug, any workarounds or is it being addressed and possibly fixed? I've got new ammo to google, thanks!
In my experience, this is related to having and old (< 11.2 version) flash-plugin installed *and* defaulting konq to using webkit over khtml.
Does this match your setup?
(though having a backtrace could help confirm that or not)
However... Your first suggestion regarding a relationship between nepomuk and kmail seems to still hold. After switching of the cache and then configuring the ability to load external sources, kmail started to crash when I tried to reply.
After disabling and rebooting then enabling and rebooting kmail continued to crash when I replied.
I disabled nepomuk and rebooted, started kontact, hit reply and I was able to. But I got warning messages about features being disabled. I re-enabled nepomuk by clicking on the configure button on the warning message and I have had no problems since.
I am fully expecting kmail to begin crashing again at some point.
Eli