well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
as well as *any* mailing-list has list-headers in each message
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Am 11.09.2013 19:08, schrieb can kalyoncu: ______________________________________________
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On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it.
Am 11.09.2013 19:23, schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it
then report a bug for the *horrible broken* mailapp!
"-- " is the begin of a signature and the intention of this is *not* include footers and signatures in replies *but not* to supress it completly and it's done this way in case of footers because most people are too dumb for strip quotes in their replies
however, any mailing-list on this planet will send you a welcome message with instructions how to post, change your settings and unsubscribe and nobody can help read such mails and instructions
on no mailing-list at all you send "unscubscribe" to all subscribers in the hope someone does your job - honestly it scares me how often people act blindly in this context and not use a search machine in doubt
On 2013-09-11 19:33 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
Am 11.09.2013 19:23, schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it
then report a bug for the *horrible broken* mailapp!
I don't use such an app, and neither do I have an inventory of which apps do do this. Those that do it I'm sure either do it intentionally and/or aren't apps that a user could report a bug against (e.g. web mail). I was merely pointing out that not every apparent dummy that seems to have forgotten where his instructions for undoing his subscription, if or whether he has any such thing, or even if he is getting mail because he created a subscription in the first place, can be assumed to have not read the footer's instructions intentionally.
"-- " is the begin of a signature and the intention of this is *not* include footers and signatures in replies *but not* to supress it completly and it's done this way in case of footers because most people are too dumb for strip quotes in their replies
List admin intent cannot control the apps its subscribers use.
Am 11.09.2013 19:48, schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-09-11 19:33 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
Am 11.09.2013 19:23, schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it
then report a bug for the *horrible broken* mailapp!
I don't use such an app, and neither do I have an inventory of which apps do do this. Those that do it I'm sure either do it intentionally and/or aren't apps that a user could report a bug against (e.g. web mail). I was merely pointing out that not every apparent dummy that seems to have forgotten where his instructions for undoing his subscription, if or whether he has any such thing, or even if he is getting mail because he created a subscription in the first place, can be assumed to have not read the footer's instructions intentionally.
the really dumb in your whole argumentation is that the footer of this list does *not* start with a "-- " line and so there is *no* excuse for a silly "unsubcribe" message which in case of this thread even would not have worked out if one is not able to type "unsubscribe" instead "unsucrube"
or do you now come up and explain me that mail-clients also not display content after a line with "_______________________________________________ "?
so no, *zero* understanding for people blowing out mindless unsubscribe-mails to the whole list and before someone starts to argue that my responses are more harm then the useless message - *no* they may prevent 50 other users in the future acting in the same mindless way without consult google or read instructions in welcome messages or list-footers
my main question is: how did people not learned to read manage to subscribe?
On 09/11/2013 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: <>
my main question is: how did people not learned to read manage to subscribe?
it is a great shame that you would rather write lengthy dissertations bashing someone who obviously is not as literate as you try to present your self.
is it not obvious to you that someone who spells "unsubscribe" as "unsucrube" may have other disabilities?
to the _op_, follow this link that is given at bottom of this list;
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
where near bottom of under heading;
kde Subscribers
7th line down, you will see;
"To unsubscribe from kde,"
Am 11.09.2013 20:30, schrieb g:
On 09/11/2013 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
my main question is: how did people not learned to read manage to subscribe?
it is a great shame that you would rather write lengthy dissertations bashing someone who obviously is not as literate as you try to present your self.
to manage unscrubscribe from a list it does not need to be "literate"
is it not obvious to you that someone who spells "unsubscribe" as "unsucrube" may have other disabilities?
and that is why my first reply contained the list-footer again as well there would have been no "lengthy dissertations" if smart asses like Felix Miata shut up after a correct answer
to the _op_, follow this link that is given at bottom of this list;
*scroll up in the thread* and you realize i did and *then* the guy below came out whith laughable excuses for the OP's lazyness to read
Am 11.09.2013 20:43, schrieb Felix Miata:
On 2013-09-11 19:57 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
the really dumb in your whole argumentation is that the footer of this list does *not* start with a "-- " line
What does that have to do with anything?
that your first answer was a silly excuse for the OP about mails with "-- " lines which is not the case ofr the list-footer here?
so *shut up* if you even do not konw what you said in your first reply and strip it form the quotes so that anybody hopefully thinks i am the ass instead why you are answering clueless
-------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: Re: unsucrube Datum: Wed, 11 Sep 2013 13:23:20 -0400 Von: Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net Antwort an: KDE on Fedora discussion kde@lists.fedoraproject.org Organisation: less than infinite An: kde@lists.fedoraproject.org
On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it
On 09/11/2013 01:56 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: <>
to sum it up for you, *KAFBA*. :=P
On 9/11/2013 2:30 PM, g wrote:
On 09/11/2013 12:57 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: <>
my main question is: how did people not learned to read manage to subscribe?
it is a great shame that you would rather write lengthy dissertations bashing someone who obviously is not as literate as you try to present your self.
is it not obvious to you that someone who spells "unsubscribe" as "unsucrube" may have other disabilities?
to the _op_, follow this link that is given at bottom of this list;
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/kde
where near bottom of under heading;
kde Subscribers
7th line down, you will see;
"To unsubscribe from kde,"
How do I connect with whoever is in charge of Fedora lists?
I would really, *really*, like to suggest that they make a "I have no real purpose in life but I would *really* like to bitch and argue about something' list?
I see a *lot* of need for this list lately. Some people argue and bitch about the *shade* of blue that is the sky. :-)
On 09/11/2013 02:14 PM, David wrote: <>
How do I connect with whoever is in charge of Fedora lists?
good question. do not recall seeing such.
I would really, *really*, like to suggest that they make a "I have no real purpose in life but I would *really* like to bitch and argue about something' list?
something like what mozilla's "mozilla.general" would be nice.
On 2013-09-11 19:57 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
the really dumb in your whole argumentation is that the footer of this list does *not* start with a "-- " line
What does that have to do with anything? You have no knowledge of the process the dummy used to produce his dumb message.
my main question is: how did people not learned to read manage to subscribe?
How do dumb people do anything dumb? They're dumb. Dumb people do dumb stuff, including not doing stuff they should do.
Dumb people will continue to do dumb stuff. Dumb people will still manage to produce more dumb people, get onto mailing lists, and produce stupid and unnecessary messages requesting instructions how to get off of a mailing list. Get over it. Make a filter that includes such strings as "unsu", "scribe", "get me off", "how do I", "please help" and "problem with" if dumb posts bother you so much.
On 09/11/2013 01:43 PM, Felix Miata wrote: <>
What does that have to do with anything? You have no knowledge of the process the dummy used to produce his dumb message.
i will "+1" your opinion of reindl.
but, your use of 'dummy' gives you a "-2". :=)
there is a big differance between a _dummy_, a _stupid_person_, and a _non-literate_ person.
a _non-literate_ can become _literate_. :=D
How do dumb people do anything dumb? They're dumb. Dumb people do dumb stuff, including not doing stuff they should do.
where in such a description, reindl can fall. ;=)
On 2013-09-11 15:12 (GMT-0400) g composed:
there is a big differance between a _dummy_, a _stupid_person_, and a _non-literate_ person.
a _non-literate_ can become _literate_. :=D
Some people use the word "dummy" as a slang term to mean a class that includes any of the following, and probably others:
fool ignorant illiterate naive obstreperous ornery stupid
I did exactly that because I have no idea why the OP did what he did.
On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 02:43:50PM -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-09-11 19:57 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
the really dumb in your whole argumentation is that the footer of this list does *not* start with a "-- " line
What does that have to do with anything? You have no knowledge of the process the dummy used to produce his dumb message.
it would be quite obvious to conclude from the headers of the original message that the person was using the gmail web interface. I assume it was not a cat running across the keyboard but I could be wrong of course.
Richard
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On 09/11/2013 12:23 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
On 2013-09-11 19:12 (GMT+0200) Reindl Harald composed:
well, what about read the list-footer and do it yourself because you subscribed yourself and mailing.ists are not maintained in this context?
One who does not see the list footer will not read the list footer. Some email apps hide a line that contains only "-- " and whatever follows it.
even more so, one does not see what is in _headers_, a part of which, reindl posted, unless the use;
<ctrl+u> or <alt+v><alt+o>
and has nothing to do with "-- " which relates to hiding a _sig_ and has nothing to do with a 'fedora footer'. except when it follows a 'hidden' sig.
well if you ask me, which of course no-one did, I would say the op has read something and is nearly there...
he sent an email with unsubscribe as the subject, as directed
except he just spelled it wrong and sent it to the wrong address.
Martin
On 09/11/2013 12:08 PM, can kalyoncu wrote: <>
tho you did not, i would like to say before you leave, if you have not already;
congrats to you and group "Beck". your name keep banging in my headed, so i had to look it up to find it was your drums. you swing a bad set of sticks.
much of the best to all of you.
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