After a recent update to 4.11.1, my settings in Kmail were changed to include detailed notifications of new mail messages. I previously had notifications set completely off.
Of course, it was easy to reset this (after I found where to do it again). But why would an update mess with my settings? (And what other settings were changed?)
This seems like a very bad policy.
On Sunday 22 of September 2013 11:53:33 Garry T. Williams wrote:
After a recent update to 4.11.1, my settings in Kmail were changed to include detailed notifications of new mail messages. I previously had notifications set completely off.
Of course, it was easy to reset this (after I found where to do it again). But why would an update mess with my settings? (And what other settings were changed?)
None of your settings has been changed. Notifications about new emails are now handled by a dedicated Akonadi agent instead of KMail, so your KMail notification settings is not used anymore. We have decided to enable the agent by default to better advertise this new feature.
The advantage of a dedicated notification agent is, that it can show notifications even when KMail is not running, you can configure to be notified only for certain folders (for instance for inbox, but not for mailing list folder) and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
Cheers, Dan
This seems like a very bad policy.
On 9-22-13 23:58:56 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
None of your settings has been changed. Notifications about new emails are now handled by a dedicated Akonadi agent instead of KMail, so your KMail notification settings is not used anymore. We have decided to enable the agent by default to better advertise this new feature.
Thanks for the follow-up.
OK. This looked like the settings were changed. I reset Configure Kmail -> Accounts in the New Mail Notification section to make the pop-ups stop.
The advantage of a dedicated notification agent is, that it can show notifications even when KMail is not running, you can configure to be notified only for certain folders (for instance for inbox, but not for mailing list folder)
Ah, this would be nice.
But how is it accomplished? I cannot see any options to notify based on folder. I looked at Configure Kmail -> Accounts and Configure Notifications. (I'm using Kmail on a Google account via IMAP and doing the filtering on the server via Google tags.)
and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
Yes, I saw them.
On Monday 23 of September 2013 08:25:02 Garry T. Williams wrote:
On 9-22-13 23:58:56 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
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But how is it accomplished? I cannot see any options to notify based on folder. I looked at Configure Kmail -> Accounts and Configure Notifications. (I'm using Kmail on a Google account via IMAP and doing the filtering on the server via Google tags.)
Right-click on the folder where you want to disable notifications, select "Folder Properties" and uncheck "Act on new/unread mail in this folder" (it's not very clear, probably should be reworded).
This option is enabled on all folders by default, so you need to explicitly disable it on all folders you don't want to receive notifications for. It's very annoying when you want to disable many many folders, hopefully it will be easier in 4.12.
Dan
and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
Yes, I saw them.
On 09/23/2013 08:36 AM, Daniel Vrátil wrote:
This option is enabled on all folders by default, so you need to explicitly disable it on all folders you don't want to receive notifications for. It's very annoying when you want to disable many many folders, hopefully it will be easier in 4.12.
IMHO, default enable only for INBOX, and default off for everything else.
-- rex
On Sunday 22 Sep 2013 23:58:56 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
The advantage of a dedicated notification agent is, that it can show notifications even when KMail is not running, you can configure to be notified only for certain folders (for instance for inbox, but not for mailing list folder) and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
Way cool, I like it :)
its a shame the [1]Lion Mail Plasma Applet was never absorbed into KDE tho, I've always used it and it accomplishes the same thing.
Martin
[1]https://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/base/plasma-lionmail/repository
Daniel Vrátil wrote:
None of your settings has been changed. Notifications about new emails are now handled by a dedicated Akonadi agent instead of KMail, so your KMail notification settings is not used anymore. We have decided to enable the agent by default to better advertise this new feature.
The advantage of a dedicated notification agent is, that it can show notifications even when KMail is not running, you can configure to be notified only for certain folders (for instance for inbox, but not for mailing list folder) and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
So Akonadi now takes it on itself to fetch mail from POP even when KMail is not running? So far, it had always been KMail which had triggered the POP fetch.
Kevin Kofler
On Monday 23 of September 2013 19:38:22 Kevin Kofler wrote:
Daniel Vrátil wrote:
None of your settings has been changed. Notifications about new emails are now handled by a dedicated Akonadi agent instead of KMail, so your KMail notification settings is not used anymore. We have decided to enable the agent by default to better advertise this new feature.
The advantage of a dedicated notification agent is, that it can show notifications even when KMail is not running, you can configure to be notified only for certain folders (for instance for inbox, but not for mailing list folder) and the notifications are much nicer - when there's only one new email, the notification will show sender, subject and start of the text (and sender photo when available); when there are multiple new emails, the notifications is like "3 new emails in inbox, 1 new email in Fedora-KDE".
So Akonadi now takes it on itself to fetch mail from POP even when KMail is not running? So far, it had always been KMail which had triggered the POP fetch.
POP has to be triggered by KMail, because the resource itself does not own any collection that could be synchronized, It merely writes into a collection owned by a maildir/mbox resource. I think this is not the best way to do it, but I guess it's not going to change any time soon.
If you are referring to "notifications without KMail running", that means that when a new email appears in a collection (like with IMAP autosync or IMAP IDLE), the notification will be shown, because it's dispatched by the agent which is running all the time in the background.
Dan
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On 9-23-13 15:36:44 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
On Monday 23 of September 2013 08:25:02 Garry T. Williams wrote:
On 9-22-13 23:58:56 Daniel Vrátil wrote: But how is it accomplished? I cannot see any options to notify based on folder. I looked at Configure Kmail -> Accounts and Configure Notifications. (I'm using Kmail on a Google account via IMAP and doing the filtering on the server via Google tags.)
Right-click on the folder where you want to disable notifications, select "Folder Properties" and uncheck "Act on new/unread mail in this folder" (it's not very clear, probably should be reworded).
OK, I agree that this feature is useful. But...
It's implementation could be improved. If I uncheck that option, I lose a completely unrelated feature -- Next Unread Message completely skips this folder. :-( These two different things should not be linked in this way.
This option is enabled on all folders by default,
Presumably because it make sense for most users. OK, at least it does for me. It's what I would expect to happen when I hit my Next Unread Message key.
Anyway, I've disabled the New E-mail notifications altogether for now.
so you need to explicitly disable it on all folders you don't want to receive notifications for. It's very annoying when you want to disable many many folders, hopefully it will be easier in 4.12.
On Monday 23 Sep 2013 15:36:44 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
Right-click on the folder where you want to disable notifications, select "Folder Properties" and uncheck "Act on new/unread mail in this folder" (it's not very clear, probably should be reworded).
actually when i do that, the kmail icon in the systray also fails to show the number of mails for that folder too
hmm
maybe a re think is required?
I still like the way lion Mail does it :)
Martin
On Wednesday 25 of September 2013 03:55:04 Martin Airs wrote:
On Monday 23 Sep 2013 15:36:44 Daniel Vrátil wrote:
Right-click on the folder where you want to disable notifications, select "Folder Properties" and uncheck "Act on new/unread mail in this folder" (it's not very clear, probably should be reworded).
actually when i do that, the kmail icon in the systray also fails to show the number of mails for that folder too
Ok, that sounds like a bug :-) I'll see what we can do about it.
Cheers, Dan
hmm
maybe a re think is required?
I still like the way lion Mail does it :)
Martin