council November 2020

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Fedora 33 elections voting now open
by Ben Cotton 02 Dec '20

02 Dec '20

Voting in the Fedora 33 elections is now open. Go to the Elections app to cast[1] your vote. Voting closes at 23:59 UTC on Thursday 3 December. Don't forget to claim your "I Voted" badge when you cast your ballot. Links to candidate interviews are in the Elections app and on the Community Blog[2]. [1] https://elections.fedoraproject.org/ [2] https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-33-elections-voting-now-open/ -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC
by Matthew Miller 01 Dec '20

01 Dec '20

As mentioned, we're looking at moving the Fedora Council's main chat to Matrix. And as part of that, we're considering a hosted Element server -- which obviously could go quite beyond just #fedora-council. Neal suggested a video meeting to talk with interested people about this, and so I set up this when-is-good http://whenisgood.net/k5brwbd Anyone interested in a preliminary chat about all of this, please sign up with your FAS id and availability. Nothing is sent in stone or decided already, although I must say I'm pretty excited about Element's open source software-as-a-service offering based on what I've heard from them so far. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Council meeting
by bcotton＠redhat.com 25 Nov '20

25 Nov '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Council meeting on 2020-11-26 from 13:00:00 to 14:00:00 America/Indiana/Indianapolis At fedora-meeting(a)irc.freenode.net The meeting will be about: The primary chair for this meeting (usually the FPgM, FPL, or FCAIC) should reply to this message with this week's agenda. More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council_Meetings](https://fedoraproject.org/… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9848/

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[docs] Update default git branch for council-docs
by Justin W. Flory 24 Nov '20

24 Nov '20

Hi all, Three months ago[1]. we briefly discussed changing the default git branch for the council-docs repo. I went ahead and made the change: https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/pull-request/93 https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/docs-fp-o/pull-request/151 This took about 15 minutes with `grep` and `awk`. Ben already ACK'd the PRs and plans to merge early next week. Sharing as a F.Y.I. if you work on Council docs soon and you have already cloned the repo. You will need to do a one-time git branch update to change from `master` to `main` once the above PRs are merged: ``` cd /path/to/council-docs/ git checkout main # check first for local changes not yet pushed upstream git branch -D master ``` === [1] https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/issue/86 === -- Cheers, Justin W. Flory (he/him) https://jwf.io TZ=America/New_York

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Re: We're planning to move Council discussions
by John M. Harris Jr 20 Nov '20

20 Nov '20

Here's a good example of one of the major issues with using forum software for this community. https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/missing-response-to-black-lives-matt… Had this been on a mailing list thread, jwf would have most likely tried to de-escalate, as a catalyst, rather than clamping down with hard moderation action, which makes everyone involved feel unwelcome. This ideology is ingrained in the use of forum software. Forum software will never be a replacement for a mailing list. -- John M. Harris, Jr.

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Sending a bulk digest to a list from discourse is trickier than I'd thought
by Matthew Miller 17 Nov '20

17 Nov '20

... because while Discourse has a per-user digest feature, it doesn't have a non-user-associated way to send such a message. I considered setting up a dedicated account just for this purpose, but Smooge has talked me out of it. We've got several other options: 1. Just close the list with one final message. 2. Close the list and add an auto-response directing to the new location. 3. Close the list and post a message montly reminding people to migrate if they're still interested in following. 4. Develop something that uses the Discourse API to provide an automatic summary. 5. Other ideas? My personal thought is option 2, but I'd like to hear what you all think. (I know I just said we should actually move where we're discussing things starting now, but this particular topic seems of most interest to current mailing list subscribers?) -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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We're planning to move Council discussions
by Matthew Miller 17 Nov '20

17 Nov '20

Hi all. At today's Fedora Council "virtual face-to-face" meeting, we decided that it's time to move our discussion from this mailing list and IRC to more modern platforms: namely, Discourse via https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/ and Matrix via ... something yet to be determined, but probably initially a channel on element.io and then eventually our own server. Some Fedora Teams, like the Magazine, have already moved from the mailing list, and noted a significant increase in visiblity and participation. The fact is, even those of us who proudly self-identify as "old school" are reluctant to sign up for yet-another-mailing-list these days. It's a serious barrier to project entry. And IRC ... it's served us well, but... it's also not kept up, and it's *long* been a problem we've seen in attracting new contributors. More and more new projects turn to Slack or Discord for their real-time discussions. I'd like us to move to something open source while such things are viable, and hopefully by doing so help them stay competitive. Since we don't have a Matrix server up and running, this is a little further off, but I wanted to mention it here. In any case, we plan to: * Bridge IRC and Matrix, so that you can stay on IRC and interact if that's your preference. Freenode isn't going away anytime soon! * Plan to port zodbot to be a Matrix-native bot, so we can have logged meetings, cookies-with-badges, adamw "firing" people, etc. * Retire this list for new posts (tentatively, starting December 1st), and instead direct conversation to https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/project/council-discuss/60 * Set up a bot to automatically post summaries of discussion from that category to this list, so that long-term subscribers aren't left out Note that unlike a "BB"-style web forum, you can interact with discussion.fedoraproject.org via email, including getting individual new posts and responding in your mail client. It isn't quite a first-class experience, though -- there are many features which are web only. Any questions about any of this? Anything I haven't thought of? -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Fedora Council election nominations are now open
by Ben Cotton 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Beginning today through 11 November, you may nominate candidates for the 1 open seat on the Fedora Council. To nominate yourself (or others, if you check with them first), visit: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Nominations The Fedora Council is currently selecting the questions for the interview questionnaire, which will be finalized before the beginning of the interview period. For more information, see the Community Blog post: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-33-elections-nominations-now… -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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[Fedocal] Reminder meeting : Fedora Council video meeting
by bcotton＠redhat.com 10 Nov '20

10 Nov '20

Dear all, You are kindly invited to the meeting: Fedora Council video meeting on 2020-11-12 from 13:00:00 to 14:00:00 America/Indiana/Indianapolis At https://bluejeans.com/6567714215 The meeting will be about: Guests: Gregory Lee Bartholomew and Stephen Snow talking about Fedora Magazine More information available at: [https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Council/Video_Meetings](https://fedoraprojec… Source: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9849/

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Fedora Council policy proposal: Policy/process for adding video content to YouTube channel
by Ben Cotton 04 Nov '20

04 Nov '20

The Fedora Council is considering a new policy to define the process and guidelines for content on the official Fedora YouTube channel. The policy as proposed[1] by Eduard Lucena is found in Fedora-Council/council-docs#92 For more information on the reasoning and background behind this proposal, see the Fedora Community Blog[2]. Please use this thread for comment. There is a two-week community comment period after which time the Council will begin voting on the proposal. [1] https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/council-docs/pull-request/92 [2] https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/council-policy-proposal-policy-proc… -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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