xfce March 2011

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Goal: Make XFCE rock in Fedora
by Martin Sourada 01 Jun '11

01 Jun '11

Hi all, as some of you might have noticed (on fedora planet) I have switched from gnome to xfce and I like xfce very much. However, IMHO there are issues that need to be addressed to make xfce a first class citizen. I put together an initial list of them in my wiki space: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mso/XFCE Feel free to chime in and edit the page (or its Talk: page) if you feel something is missing/wrong. Since next major release of xfce (4.10) is scheduled for next January we're probably talking here about Fedora 17 time frame. So let's join forces and make XFCE rock in Fedora 17. Cheers, Martin

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DM for Fedora 15 Xfce
by Nathan Thomas 13 Apr '11

13 Apr '11

Hi all, The Docs Project are about to send the Fedora 15 Beta Release Notes off to the translators, which is essentially their 'feature freeze' for Fedora 15. I've included some of the highlights of Xfce 4.8, but I was wondering if a decision has been made about the display manager for the Xfce Spin? As far as I understand it, GDM seems to have disqualified itself, SLiM is unmaintained, LXDM didn't seem to score many votes, and lightdm was mentioned but is still in the process of being packaged. If we are going to plump for one of these options then it would be great to get it into the release notes. Last minute inclusion is possible but creates a lot of extra work for the Docs Project and the Translation team. Any thoughts? Nathan Docs Project / Xfce SIG

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Xfce 4.8 for F14 now ready
by Christoph Wickert 30 Mar '11

30 Mar '11

I have updated my Xfce 4.8 repository at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/xfce-4.8 and it is fairly complete. Some packages however are now obsolete: * thunar-shares-plugin: dead upstream, would needed to be ported from thunar-vfs to gvfs. * xfce4-remmina-plugin: remmina now has a generic trayicon, however the new version is only available in F15 or my remmina repo at http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/cwickert/remmina * xfce4-stopwatch-plugin: dead upstream, uses old panel API. * xfce4-volstatus-icon: dead upstream, uses HAL. I might revive it nevertheless. * xfce4-xfapplet-plugin: dead upstream, uses old gnome-panel API and handles only old bonobo-based applets but not new dbus based ones. With gnome-shell there is not much future for panel applets anyway. If you can live without these plugins, you are invited to upgrade your F14 installation to Xfce 4.8. Please note that you will have to remove the plugins before you upgrade because Thunar and xfce4-panel do not yet obsolete them. We will do this for F15 Beta and then do more upgrade tests in order to provide a smooth upgrade. Regards, Christoph

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Update notification changes for F15
by Adam Williamson 25 Mar '11

25 Mar '11

I just talked to Richard Hughes about some update notification stuff for Fedora 15, and this nugget came up: <adamw> hughsieafk: oh, sorry, one other thing - is the update notification fd.o notification area icon still going to exist for other desktops to use? <hughsieafk> adamw, no, that's gone completely <adamw> hughsieafk: ah, so we're going to lose update notification for xfce/lxde unless they come up with their own thing. i'll let them know... <hughsieafk> adamw, we're still using libnotify so xfce will get notified, but no icon showing state AIUI, this means there won't be any notification area icon for update availability notification in gnome-packagekit for F15. So Xfce (and LXDE) may need to come up with an alternative arrangement. I'm not sure exactly what the libnotify support will result in, but this is definitely something to look at. I'm CCing Richard in case he can provide any additional details. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Fedora Talk: adamwill AT fedoraproject DOT org http://www.happyassassin.net

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Fwd: fedora 14 xfce4.8 notification area and workspace switcher
by desktopdave 22 Mar '11

22 Mar '11

-------- Original Message -------- Subject: fedora 14 xfce4.8 notification area and workspace switcher Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 10:02:41 +0000 From: desktopdave <desktopdave(a)gmx.com> To: christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com Hi Christoph, I didn't know where to post bug reports for xfce4.8 so have used your gmail account. The main bug I notice is the notification area. Frequently icons will vibrate/jiggle around and stop another process from starting, until I right/left click on them. For instance, I start opera browser and the icons vibrate/wobble around and opera will not start until I left/right click in the notification area (systray) a few times. When I booted this morning a new 'boot messages' icon appeared in the systray and that locked up the desktop, until I logged in with another shell and did an update. The workspace switcher tends to fade out at times so only half a box is visible, if I pass the pointer over it, it re-appears. Xfce 4.8 is a really nice desktop and appears faster and more responsive than 4.6 thanks for the repo. Regards, David

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alacarte?
by Kevin Fenzi 20 Mar '11

20 Mar '11

Should we add alacarte to the live media and/or the Xfce group? It seems to work fine here with 4.8, it doesn't have too many deps and is still gtk2. ;) Thoughts? kevin

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Broken libgladeui dep in xfce-4.8 f14 repo
by Panu Matilainen 18 Mar '11

18 Mar '11

[root@localhost ~]# yum install libxfce4ui-devel Loaded plugins: changelog, presto, refresh-packagekit, tsflags Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies --> Running transaction check ---> Package libxfce4ui-devel.x86_64 0:4.8.0-1.fc14 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: pkgconfig(libxfconf-0) for package: libxfce4ui-devel-4.8.0-1.fc14.x86_64 --> Processing Dependency: libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) for package: libxfce4ui-devel-4.8.0-1.fc14.x86_64 --> Running transaction check ---> Package libxfce4ui-devel.x86_64 0:4.8.0-1.fc14 will be installed --> Processing Dependency: libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) for package: libxfce4ui-devel-4.8.0-1.fc14.x86_64 ---> Package xfconf-devel.x86_64 0:4.8.0-1.fc14 will be installed --> Finished Dependency Resolution Error: Package: libxfce4ui-devel-4.8.0-1.fc14.x86_64 (fedora-xfce-4.8) Requires: libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) Available: glade3-libgladeui-3.7.1-2.fc14.x86_64 (fedora) libgladeui-1.so.10()(64bit) Installed: 1:glade3-libgladeui-3.6.7-2.fc14.x86_64 (@updates) Not found The problem is that F14 originally came with glade3-3.7.1 but it got downgraded in an update for some reason: * Thu Dec 16 2010 Rakesh Pandit <rpandit(a)redhat.com> - 1:3.6.7-1 - Revert back to 3.6.7 (Thanks Matthew Booth for patch) Since this involves a soname change... libxfce4ui needs a rebuild with the current set of F14 updates. - Panu -

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Icon problems
by Jon Masters 14 Mar '11

14 Mar '11

Hey folks, I just made the switch from GNOME over to Xfce (gnome-shell didn't go down so well with my own needs). I'm happy so far, and had used this desktop environment previously, however I have a problem with missing icons. In rawhide, I'm not seeing any icons in Thunar at all. It's not just confined to XFCE4 (e.g. totem icons are busted) but it's mostly affecting this desktop. I suspect I'm missing a package or need to regenerate some of the icon cache bits...any advice/recommendations? Jon.

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More space on the Xfce spin
by Christoph Wickert 08 Mar '11

08 Mar '11

Yesterday XZ compression hit rawhide and the nightly spins dropped from ~694 MB (i686) / 695 MB (x86_64) to 567 / 568 MB. Now the question is: What are we going to do with this space? What would you like to see in the F15 Xfce spin? Some suggestions: * libreoffice, at least writer, calc and impress * gnumeric again (if we don't do libreoffice) * more remmina-plugins: ATM we only have ssh, rdp and vnc, but xdmcp, telepathy and nx are available, too * more development stuff, e.g. meld and more geany-plugins * games, e.g. gnome-games? More ideas? Regards, Christoph

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non-Xfce apps in the xfce-desktop group
by Christoph Wickert 07 Mar '11

07 Mar '11

Recently some system-config-* tools were moved from the base-x group to their "appropriate desktop environments" [1] [2]. I think removing them from base-x is a step in the right direction, but adding system-config-* stuff and especially abrt-desktop or gnome-packagekit with their GNOME dependencies to the xfce-desktop group seems wrong to me. These are admin tools, they are already part of the admin-tools group and will be installed on the current Xfce spin anyway because we install admin-tools. IMHO 'yum install ydxe-desktop' should only install an Xfce desktop, not more and not less. Is everybody fine with me removing * abrt-desktop * gnome-packagekit * system-config-date * system-config-firewall * system-config-services * system-config-users from xfce-desktop? I'd do the same as I did for LXDE [3]. This still leaves us with the following non-Xfce packages: * desktop-backgrounds-compat * gdm * openssh-askpass * polkit-gnome desktop-backgrounds-compat is required and openssh-ask pass not problematic. polkit-gnome is not problematic either because it has no GNOME dependencies, but if this changes or they switch to GTK+ 3, we can still move to lxpolkit. So the only questionable package is gdm. I think we need a display manager but I'm no longer convinced it should be gdm. gdm now is in GTK+ 3 and requires not only gnome-session but also gnome-settings-manager and gnome-screensaver with all their deps such as gnome-control-center. We'd end up with two screensavers but only xscreensaver works in Xfce. LXDE is too buggy IMHO and I'm currently packaging and investigating lightdm [4]. I'll let you know once it's read for testing and then we can decide whether or not to switch. Questions? Thoughts? Regards, Christoph [1] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=comps.git;a=commitdiff;h=f2cb3971ffb2a53… [2] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=comps.git;a=commitdiff;h=9905085a78c710a… [3] http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=comps.git;a=commitdiff;h=aa9132ce2a1193e… [4] https://launchpad.net/lightdm/

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