xfce July 2012

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Test day for F18 and switch to lightdm?
by Kevin Fenzi 21 Jul '12

21 Jul '12

Greetings. I think we should bite the bullet and switch the spin over to lightdm. If we run into things we cannot fix that are too bad, we can aways switch back. Thoughts? Additionally, You all may have seen adamw's call for test days for the f18 cycle: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2012-July/000951.ht… I think we should switch over to lightdm and make any other changes we want very soon, and schedule an early test day. Would anyone out there care to organize and run the test day? In this cycle we would have: Xfce 4.10 lightdm Anything else we change soon. Thoughts? kevin

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Number of Downloads on spins.fedoraproject.org
by Johannes Lips 20 Jul '12

20 Jul '12

Hi all, I was just wondering what the numbers of downloads on this page measure. If those are the correct numbers of total downloads, it would be kind of sad that we are putting so much effort into it. Could someone give the definition on how those numbers are calculated? Thanks Johannes

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Using Greybird as default theme ?
by Alexandre Singh 18 Jul '12

18 Jul '12

Hi everyone :) Fedora is a super distro, Xfce a super desktop environment, and the Xfce Spin is great. But really not attractive. And I think that it's quite bad, as a lot of users will think that Xfce is obsolete and crappy because of this old theme. What about using Greybird (Gtk+Xfwm) and Elementary-icons or Faenza-icons ? They are promoted by the Xfce project itself, and they are in our lovely official Fedora repositories. For example, a screenshot of my actual desktop (but AwOkEn is used on the dock) : http://pix.toile-libre.org/upload/original/1342315963.png And if I can help, don't hesitate to ask (I've created an Openbox Fedora Remix so I know a bit). I would really enjoy contributing to the Xfce spin. Please forgive me if my english is bad. Alexandre "DarthWound" Singh -- darthwound.org

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Re: Test day for F18 and switch to lightdm?
by Raphael Groner 18 Jul '12

18 Jul '12

Hi Kevin, as you know, I appreciate your (and all the others') work for the Fedora Xfce spin, and all the other jobs you do. IYAM, livecd stuff should be fixed as the highest priority. Users would benefit from it a lot more than all the other features. Otherwise they would have to go through the long and nasty upgrade process from F17 to Rawhide with an installed but unstable system. Keep the good mood and heads up! - Raphael Am Wed, 18 Jul 2012 12:00:15 +0000 schrieb xfce-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org: > Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:34:02 -0600 > From: Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com> > To: xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org > Subject: Test day for F18 and switch to lightdm? > Message-ID: <20120717123402.60cfa7c3(a)jelerak.scrye.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Greetings. > > I think we should bite the bullet and switch the spin over to > lightdm. If we run into things we cannot fix that are too bad, we can > aways switch back. Thoughts? > > Additionally, You all may have seen adamw's call for test days for the > f18 cycle: > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel-announce/2012-July/000951.ht… > > I think we should switch over to lightdm and make any other changes we > want very soon, and schedule an early test day. Would anyone out there > care to organize and run the test day? > > In this cycle we would have: > > Xfce 4.10 > lightdm > Anything else we change soon. > > Thoughts? > > kevin

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FC17 XFCE Spin: what DM?
by Mihamina Rakotomandimby 17 Jul '12

17 Jul '12

Hi all, FC16 XFCE spin has been released with XFCE environment but GDM DM. There was a time where LightDM was not really usable in Fedora because of code issues: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/xfce/2011-May/000519.html As far as I read, it's packaged now and seems to be usable: http://pkgs.org/fedora-17/fedora-updates-x86_64/lightdm-gtk-1.1.6-3.fc17.x8… Those who used FC17 XFCE spin: what's the situation? Is it working OOTB? -- RMA.

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Re: Albatross and Bluebird Xfce themes in updates-testing
by Raphael Groner 17 Jul '12

17 Jul '12

Am Mon, 16 Jul 2012 23:45:17 +0000 schrieb xfce-request(a)lists.fedoraproject.org: > Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2012 15:28:57 +0200 > From: Alexandre Singh <darthwound(a)gmail.com> > To: Fedora Xfce users and developers <xfce(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> > Subject: Re: Albatross and Bluebird Xfce themes in updates-testing > Message-ID: <50041719.9060204(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed > > Le 16/07/2012 03:14, Jayson Rowe a écrit : > > Good Evening all, > > I have packaged the Albatross [1] and Bluebird [2] themes from The > > Shimmer Project [3] for Fedora 16 and 17, and they are now in > > updates-testing. These are to complement Greybird [4] also from The > > Shimmer Project which is already in our repositories. > > > > I've taken screenshots of Albatross [5] and Bluebird [6] for you to > > check out as well. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > [1]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/albatross/ > > [2]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/bluebird/ > > [3]: http://shimmerproject.org/ > > [4]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/ > > [5]: > > http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/albatross/albatross.png > > [6]: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/bluebird/bluebird.png > Good initiative, Albatross tested and approved, +1 karma on Bodhi. > I'm gonna vote for your Bluebird theme too after testing it. +1 Personally, I like Bluebird. It looks similiar to QtCurve, doesn't it? I am looking forward to have it included for the upcoming F18/Rawhide Xfce. ~ Raphael

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Rawhide ISO
by David 16 Jul '12

16 Jul '12

Are there any plans for a Xfce ISO spin of Rawhide? -- David

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Albatross and Bluebird Xfce themes in updates-testing
by Jayson Rowe 16 Jul '12

16 Jul '12

Good Evening all, I have packaged the Albatross [1] and Bluebird [2] themes from The Shimmer Project [3] for Fedora 16 and 17, and they are now in updates-testing. These are to complement Greybird [4] also from The Shimmer Project which is already in our repositories. I've taken screenshots of Albatross [5] and Bluebird [6] for you to check out as well. Enjoy! [1]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/albatross/ [2]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/bluebird/ [3]: http://shimmerproject.org/ [4]: http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/ [5]: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/albatross/albatross.png [6]: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/packages/bluebird/bluebird.png -- -jayson

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Themes / Spin
by Raphael Groner 16 Jul '12

16 Jul '12

Hi there, I am reading a lot about feature requests here that belong only to a "default theme". IMHO, a spin should deliver the most useful applications of a special matter, in our case Xfce. It's a great feature to have the availability of so many different themes. As Christoph and others have stated already and a lot of times, the space on a CD image is limited. It has to be taken a decision what features, therefore applications and other data, are important to show as a demonstration case. Everyone is free to install the spin to another media (hard drive, usb stick, etc.) and customize it to its specific user needs, for instance install more themes and play with them around. There's also the possibility to create an own spin. I have never tried that howto [0], maybe there's some special tweaking additionally needed? It would be a good idea to start with a working spin definition like for the Xfce spin it exits. Well, the main question is: Is it worth to create an (officially supported) extra spin [1], only for another *default* theme or at least a nicer wall paper?! For personal usage, no question at all. Just my 5 ct. - Raphael [0] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Spins_Process

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How can we improve the spin?
by Jayson Rowe 13 Jul '12

13 Jul '12

What's up everybody. I've debated this mail for a while - I'm the 'new kid' around these parts, but in a short time I've developed quite a passion around Fedora, and especially the Xfce spin. I've put some thought and research into this, so thanks for humoring me and reading. As great as our spin is, I know it can be better. In reality anything can be better - there should be a constant evolution of improvements. I know as Xfce users, we are a smaller niche group from what would use the default Desktop spin, or perhaps even the KDE spin. It is true, however that Xfce is experiencing a spike in popularity lately. Now, although I've only recently finally made the full switch back to Fedora (I used RHL and Fedora through Core2 before switching) I only regret not coming back sooner. Now to the point at hand, how can we make Fedora's Xfce spin first-class. I guess first, we have to define what *is* first class. I loaded up different distros with Xfce in VM's and poked around, just to see how they looked and felt, and my only real impressions were: a) many aspects of panel layout/themes are very much personal preference ---and--- b) sadly, every Xfce 'spin' I tried felt at least somewhat more polished than Fedora's out-of-the box presentation in one way or another... There are tons of screenshots on the web, but here are mine from my VMs (with my thoughts for each). Xubuntu: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/xubuntu_12_04.png So - looks nice. Greybird is my favorite theme. The wallpaper has been the same for at least 2, maybe 3 releases (I think, Charlie Kraviez can correct me on this I'm sure as he was one the Xubuntu Project Leader). I never liked the 'auto-hide' dock...in fact, I generally hate the 'extra' Xfce panel anyway. The Icons look nice, all of the icons in the system tray match, everything looks smooth, integrated and blends together. Sabayon 9: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/sabayon_9.png Although not really a 'mainstream' distro, I really only loaded it up out of curiosity to see what they had done w/ Xfce since most of the reviews and stuff online focus on the GNOME and KDE spins of this distro. I actually kinda like what they did. A 2 panel layout that could easily appeal to GNOME2 refugees, but still different from a GNOME2 layout. Again, nice icons, although everything doesn't match as nicely as in Xubuntu, still looks pretty polished. The default theme is nice (looks to be custom to the distro, perhaps) and the use the default Xfce window decorations. openSUSE 12.2 (Beta): In terms of competition for similar user-bases, I would think of openSUSE and Fedora to have the two most similar potential user bases. I like the single panel layout, although the icons seems stock Xfce, they look nicely integrated. The mixer applet on the panel (Gmixer) doesn't seem to be in our repos, but the icon for it looks nicer than the faded icon w/ the blue half-circles we have w/ the default Xfce mixer applet. They are using Adwaita for a GTK theme, and a custom window decoration (that seems closely based on the default Xfce decorations). Linux Mint Debian Edition: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/linux_mint_debian… I find the GTK theme a little too 'white' (along w/ the default wallpaper), but both the theme and window decorations seem to be modified versions of Greybird. Green (aka Mint) icons, but all of the icons match, look nicely integrated, and the system tray icons match, except for using the same mixer icon we use.\ And now, we all know the default Fedora 17 look: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_default.png Here I will point out mainly what I don't like: First, I don't like the borders around the clock and notification area...just looks unfinished to me. I also wish the Applications Menu icon were the Fedora logo. I think the Adwaita theme works well (supports GTK3), but the Nodoka window decorations look dated. I hate the mixer icon, but like the rest of the 'Fedora' icon set. This next screenshot is how *I* would improve the look we have now, sticking with a same/similar layout: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_a.png Changes? The Fedora logo for the Applications Menu, no borders around the clock and notification area, and the default Xfce window decoration. Before I took this screenshot, I also ugraded to 4.10, and added the 'Action Buttons' plugin to the panel. Next, I simply eliminate a *personal* pet peeve - the second, bigger panel that doesn't take up the entire width of the screen. It seems wasteful to me (especially with maximized windows). I also reduced the top panel to 24px.: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_b.png The next layout would appeal to GNOME 2 refugees: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_c.png A second (24px) panel is added back, and a places applet displaying label only is added to the top panel. Reduced the text of the App menu button to just display 'Applications'. This layout looks very much like GNOME2 (to me anyway). Next, is a layout similar to what openSUSE had: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_d.png A single bottom panel, 24px. Finally, is basically what I'm using: http://jaysonr.fedorapeople.org/pictures/xfce_screenshots/f17_alt_e.png It's the same as the last layout, but using Greybird and the Elementary icon theme. For my personal use, I'm still a little torn between this and Adwaita, however I think the Elementary icon theme looks SO much nicer, even that ugly mixer icon is fixed ;-) It just looks more polished and integrated. I know everyone doesn't like the darker grey panel look/menus etc... So...now that I've said all of that what do you think? Like I said, I was torn about jumping in as a new guy with suggestions, but I figured why not...the worst y'all could do is say 'go away, your bothering me'...so I did it. Other thoughts I've had is, what other things do we do as a 'SIG'. I noticed an e-mail from Rex Dieter to fedora-devel speaking of a KDE SIG meeting - have we as a SIG ever had IRC meetings? Would there be any value? Would anyone attend? Since I'm just now jumping in, has there been other recent discussion I've missed about plans for F18? I know Kevin has spoken of moving to LightDM, and has included Greybird as being installed by default in the spin for F18. I'm not looking to ruffle feathers, just get discussion going and make Fedora 18's Xfce spin even more awesome. Thanks for reading! Jayson -- -jayson

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