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Feedback on Fedora Core 4 test 2 review
by Rahul Sundaram 30 Apr '05

30 Apr '05

Hi I came across your review [1] of the second test release of Fedora Core 4 . I have a few suggestions and remarks.This is the first review of a test release of Fedora Core 4 that I have come across and as such it was certainly a interesting one to read. "I am one of many who felt that Red Hat's abandonment of their desktop user community was treacherous at best. I see the logic in this from a customer support perspective--after all, answering questions from randoms who've coughed up the money for a Linux distribution at CompUSA can be time-consuming, but that's how you build market share." Stopping retail distribution of Red Hat Linux and moving towards a more frequently updated Fedora project isnt equivalent to abandonment of the desktop users. Red Hat has never produced a distribution that directly targetted the desktop segment. While its true that Red Hat wouldnt isnt directly involved in retail distribution of Fedora, independant vendors continue to do that extensively. Fedora release cycle combined with the Fedora legacy project would provide something thats pretty close yet better to previous releases of Red Hat Linux. While your point about building market share is pretty true the reality is that support costs would be higher for the desktop market compared to servers (limited and restricted usage scenarios). Red Hat continues to work on things that are meant to improve the user experience for Fedora. For example extensive work on GTK, dbus, hal and things like Network manager are some of the pieces of desktop infrastructure that springs up to mind. Efforts to improve bootup speed using bootchart [2] and things like GDM early login [3] are primarly for desktop users. servers arent going to rebooted that often for boot up speed to be a significant factor . right? Work on GCJ ( GNU compiler for Java) would enable the significant amount of Java code in Openoffice 2.0 to e run under a natively compiled free Java stack which I believe you would agree is a important thing for the desktop market. "On my screen, the subtitles read "To sponsor a project and people who will develop stuff that we can suck directly into future RHEL releases."" While Fedora project definitely is the basis of Red Hat Enteprise Linux, inviting the community to work on things is meant to enable more innovative growth and take Linux into directions which Red Hat cannot or does not want to work on currently. Fedora Extras is just one such direct benefit of the work done by the community. Instead of a scattered set of third party repositories we will now have Fedora Extras repository which follows Fedora Core release cycle and is enabled by default in Fedora Core 4 which will enable users to access a whole lot of software more easily You have provided a table that shows the changes in version numbers of the things that you find important. It would have been better to link to the release notes [4] for the test release for users who want to dig for further information after reading you review The following things are what I would consider important features that are planned to included in Fedora Core 4 that you have not mentioned in your review Xen [5] - A para virtualisation software that would enable users to run multiple operating systems or versions of it. Red Hat GFS [6] - Cluster filesystem SELinux update - Significant number of additional deamons will protected by SELinux in Fedora Core 4 Free Java stack which includes Eclipse and Apache Jakarta Fedora Extras yum repository enabled by default GDM early login and removal of rhgb would be a significant change in user experience for desktop users Evince document viewer [7] Yum will use sqllite database and perform much faster that previous releases regards Rahul [1] http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/5830/1/ [2] bootchart.sf.net [3] https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2005-April/msg00416.html [4] GDM early login - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraDocs_2fReleaseNotes_2fCore4Test2 [5] Xen - http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/Research/SRG/netos/xen/ [6] Red Hat GFS - http://www.redhat.com/software/rha/gfs/ [7] Evince - http://www.gnome.org/projects/evince/

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Posters: etc
by Kenneth Geddings Jr. 28 Apr '05

28 Apr '05

Would it be "legal" to create posters or handouts etc using the fedora core logo if you are just using it to raise more awareness of fedora core (as long as you dont sell it) just a thought. thanks Kenneth Geddings Jr.

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FUDCon 2 Promo Suggestion
by Alex 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hello everyone! I would like to suggest to those of you willing to promote FUDCon 2 to add this (or similar) text to your signature: FUDCon II @ LinuxTag June 24-25, 2005 in Karlsruhe, Germany http://fedoraproject.com/fudcon/ Thanks a lot, Alex

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Re: Feedback on Fedora Core 4 test 2 review
by Rahul Sundaram 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi >I am surprised about your comment that "Red Hat never produced a >distribution that directly targeted the desktop market." > Additional clarification.[1] When I talk about Red Hat doing something or the other, please do understand that these are my personal opinions and might be completely off the track here. I certainly dont want the burden of being viewed as the official voice for my employer regards Rahul [1] I hate those standard disclaimers but they are required at many places anyway

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Re: Feedback on Fedora Core 4 test 2 review
by Rahul Sundaram 27 Apr '05

27 Apr '05

Hi >I am surprised about your comment that "Red Hat never produced a >distribution that directly targeted the desktop market." Prior to the >death of the Red Hat Linux line, it seems to me that in what you used to >ship - three distributions: standard, deluxe, and professional - the >standard version was clearly targeted at home and desktop users due to >its low price point and presence in every retail software shop. It seems >to me that saying that this was not targeted towards the desktop is >somewhat revisionist. > You definitely have a point there. I dont have any extensive knowledge of the above distributions but as I understand it those werent polished or geared up for desktop users. The key point is not tie up a means of distribution ( retail sales) to targetted market (desktop) > >Thanks for taking the time to read my review, and I'll look forward to >future Red Hat and Fedora Core release, as always. > I would love to read more of such articles including quick previews of test releases >I believe that you >were the one through whom I received the pre-release of RHEL 4.0 that I >also reviewed for LinuxPlanet a while ago, and hope to be able to >evaluate future versions of your products as well. > No. That wasnt me but please do review anything that you can get your hands on neverthless ;-). If you require any clarifications before doing any reviews do feel free to ask. Even on instances where I wouldnt be aware of it I would dig out information on a best effort basis regards Rahul

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My Workstation OS of choice
by Colin Charles 12 Apr '05

12 Apr '05

http://os.newsforge.com/os/05/04/07/1341231.shtml?tid=2 Nice little plug for Fedora... -- Colin Charles, byte(a)aeon.com.my http://www.bytebot.net/ "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win." -- Mohandas Gandhi

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