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fp.o translation volunteer
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 18 Oct '05

18 Oct '05

David Barzilay has graciously agreed to serve as the guinea pig for the first fp.o translation: into Brazilian Portuguese. So. Now need to decide how, exactly, we structure the translated wiki pages. The simplest way: create language subsections. That would mean, for Brazilian Portuguese: fp.o/wiki/Extras would be translated to fp.o/wiki/br/Extras It may not be the most elegant way, but it would probably get the job done more quickly. I'm also open to better ideas -- but the quicker we can move, the quicker we can take advantage of Mister Barzilay's good will. :) --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan

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Fedora based distributions: An overview
by Rahul Sundaram 02 Oct '05

02 Oct '05

Hi There is a recent effort being made as part of the Fedora marketing team to create a list of Fedora based distributions which includes the project links, package listing, contact details etc classified into several groups based on their functionality. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DerivedDistributions I had committed to sending a mail with my ideas on this a few meeting back and you got it now. I would like to invite more volunteers to participate on this effort and send in your feedback.f The numbers game The number of Linux distributions continue to explode in a phenomenal rate. There are 345 active distributions at present not counting 64 discontinued efforts. A large number of them are however derivatives based on other distributions, in particular Red Hat Linux/Fedora and Debian. The ones that are build from scratch are much lower at 28. Factoring in distributions that were originally based on some distributions but have evolved into independent ones we can put the numbers at approximately 35. Fedora Derivatives Fedora is the second highest base for a large number of distributions right after Debian. There is a impressive 63 distributions based on Fedora and 13 others based on Red Hat Enterprise Linux which itself is based on Fedora. I havent counted Mandriva and others which are now far apart from their lineage. That puts the final count as 76. Source: http://distrowatch.com Classification of Derivatives There are a fair number of reasons to create new distributions and derivatives help you reach there better if you choose a appropriate base depending on the requirements. Some major categories include the following: * Live CD's: These is potentially the biggest group and they provide value as rescue cds, demonstrations and technology showcases etc * Regional: These include GUI and docs in their native language, locale information with potentially more utilities for input methods and changes to accommodate hardware in that particular region * Niche groups: New technology, product demonstrations etc that appeal to a limit audience like terminal servers and low end hardware. These might eventually evolve into a mainstream technology or product * Package mix: Changes in default set of packages, branding and other specific targets like games or edutainment software. * Commercial offshoots: Productizing a distribution appeals to many groups and for several different uncategorized reasons Collaboration Fedora as a project provides ample opportunity for such derivatives to collaborate with each other and with Fedora itself. As an example, the Live CD distributions can base themselves off Kadischi, Fedora's Live CD generation tool and contribute towards improving it helping themselves in the process. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiveCD Agenda items could include the following * Contact and discuss areas and projects where we can have a win-win arrangement * Provide templates for new project proposals and sub groups within Fedora. Provide webspace, cvs access, mailing lists, bandwidth and publicity for such projects wherever appropriate * Make it easier to create derivatives and branding. Fedora potentially benefits from being a base for different people to explore different areas Let me know your thoughts regards Rahul

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AWOL this week
by Colin Charles 30 Sep '05

30 Sep '05

There's a meeting later today, but I'll be awol. I have just had to leave at this moment. Greg or Patrick can write notes. See you next week -- Colin Charles, http://www.bytebot.net/

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Fedora Logo I saw on ff.org
by Tejas Dinkar 29 Sep '05

29 Sep '05

I saw this really brilliant logo posted by 'sailor' on fedoraforum.org<http://fedoraforum.org> I don't remember seeing on the mailing list, so I uploaded it onto my site, and changed the size into all the standard icon sizes. If i get a vote, this one has it Sailor has done an amazing touch up of the origninal 'infinite freedom' idea http://tejas.nipl.net/fedoralogos The icons do get a bit grainy after we shrink them past 64x64, but I think that with a bit of touching up, this can be fixed.

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The Present and Future with Fedora Core 4: Interview
by Rahul Sundaram 27 Sep '05

27 Sep '05

Hi Interview with book author. The questions seem written after the answer to me http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/6014/1/ regards Rahul

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Possible Trademark Infringement?
by Gavin Henry 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

Dear Guys, I was just specifying a Quantum Product, and noticed: http://www.quantum.com/Solutions/Compliance/Index.aspx In their documentation, they use it the other way round too. Quite similar, but you know what the bigs guys can be like. Just a thought. Gavin. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 742001 E ghenry(a)suretecsystems.com Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/

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Meeting Minutes - 2005-09-22
by Patrick W. Barnes 26 Sep '05

26 Sep '05

== Present == Colin Charles (bytee_) Marc Wiriadisastra (StrikeForce) Patrick Barnes (nman64) Rahul Sundaram (mether) Tejas Dinkar (tejas) == Notes == * Mentors: We've had more people join, but we need to advertise it. News postings and mailing list messages seem good. ACTION: Marc to write up an article and post to Rahul's list of news sites, CC-ing fedora-marketing-list. * SOP: Nobody stepping up. We need a volunteer to take over this one. * Fedora-based distributions list: tejas making progress, first sites listed. He needs help writing the reviews. * Wiki: Have gotten some suggestions, looking for raw HTML support to make improvements. web-devel mailing list? -- Patrick "The N-Man" Barnes nman64(a)n-man.com www.n-man.com --

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my logo vote
by David Barzilay 25 Sep '05

25 Sep '05

goes for http://tejas.nipl.net/cgi-bin/fedoralogos.py great work! cheers, -- David Barzilay Brazilian Portuguese Technical Translator Red Hat Asia-Pacific

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Meeting
by Marc Wiriadisastra 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

Was there a right up relating to last nights meeting? I haven't seen one come through? Regards, Mar

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The ongoing Fedora Forum discussion
by Greg DeKoenigsberg 23 Sep '05

23 Sep '05

So here's a snippet from this thread on FedoraForum.org, from jspaar: "But trying to spin this like it was an open process in which the community was highly involved? As Greg DeK. spelled out in the marketing list discussion, he has paid a professional to do it according to Red Hat's specs, and he has signed off on the result (allowing for minor tweaks) before 99% of the "community" has even become aware that it existed." (http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=370607&postcount=69) This is a fair point -- to an extent. We wanted enough input to validate the direction the logo should take. The mechanism we used to gather that input was the Fedora marketing list. Why? Because this is *precisely* why the Fedora marketing group exists. And yes, that *necessarily* excludes 99% of the Fedora community -- but it *includes* the 1% who care enough about the direction of Fedora's brand to get *directly* involved. And *those* people were *highly* involved in the process around this decision. These people were submitting logo ideas -- some good, some not-so-good, some not-at-all-good -- for *months* before we commissioned this version -- and that *very* active debate *directly* informed Matt's choices, as he made clear in his top-notch presentation. But, y'know, it's not code. It's a logo. In code, it's frequently the case that "one way is better." In design, that's *almost never* the case. Therefore, our process was to: 1. Gather input; 2. Designate someone to create the logo; 3. Validate the logo. It was all done completely transparently, too. And because there are roughly as many people who like the logo as who hate the logo, and because that is generally true with *any* design task (as most designers will tell you), and because people generally respect the thought process that led to the logo, the logo is probably a winner. Matt Munoz, the talented designer who came up with it, has the final say at this point -- because as jspaar also points out, "benevolent dictatorship is necessary or nothing gets decided." In this case, that guy is Matt. That's basically my last word on the matter. Feel free to repost links to this message all over teh intraweb. --g _____________________ ____________________________________________ Greg DeKoenigsberg ] [ the future masters of technology will have Community Relations ] [ to be lighthearted and intelligent. the Red Hat ] [ machine easily masters the grim and the ] [ dumb. --mcluhan

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