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[Fedora-marketing-list] Mirror in Main China
by Leo 10 Dec '06

10 Dec '06

Hi there, A few friends in China are trying to find a fast mirror for FC and then I find that there are zero mirrors in mainland China though there are a few in Hong Kong and Taiwan. I'd like to see this situation improved. Can anyone give me some pointers? I will try my best to help out. Regards, -- Leo

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition?
by Alex 03 Dec '06

03 Dec '06

Hey, what happened to the puppies? On 11/30/06, Francesco Ugolini <francesco.ugolini(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Hernan Pachas ha scritto: > > +1 > > > > ---Hernan > > > > On 11/30/06, Dimitris Glezos <dimitris(a)glezos.com> wrote: > >> O/H Thomas Canniot έγραψε: > >> > Le jeudi 30 novembre 2006 à 14:10 +0100, Gerold Kassube a écrit : > >> >> why not only > >> >> > >> >> *FEDORA* > >> >> > >> >> this says all :-) > >> > >> +1. > >> > >> -d > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Dimitris Glezos > >> Jabber ID: glezos(a)jabber.org, GPG: 0xA5A04C3B > >> http://dimitris.glezos.com/ > >> > >> > >> "He who gives up functionality for ease of use > >> loses both and deserves neither." (Anonymous) > >> -- > >> > >> -- > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > >> Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > >> https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > >> > > > > -- > > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > > > +1 > > -- > Fedora-ambassadors-list mailing list > Fedora-ambassadors-list(a)redhat.com > https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-ambassadors-list > -- Alex Maier Art and Photography [homepage] http://amaier.net [photos and art books] http://lulu.com/amaier [posters] http://www.art.com/memberartist/amaier

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Name for future Fedora distribition?
by Luya Tshimbalanga 02 Dec '06

02 Dec '06

How about "Fedora Synergy"? That name implies the effort from both community and developers and the fact it is the base of several distribution like Red Hat Enterprise Linux and One Laptop Per Child. -- Luya Tshimbalanga Fedora Project contributor http://www.fedoraproject.org/wiki/LuyaTshimbalanga

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: [Ambassadors] Name for future Fedora distribition?
by David Nalley 30 Nov '06

30 Nov '06

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Dimitris Glezos wrote: > Well, merging Core and Extras doesn't necessarily mean we should change the name > of our distribution. I suggest for us to consider the cost in changing the name. > > The name "Fedora Core" has established a reputation as "The distribution the > Fedora Project produces". If we completely discontinue the "Core" product as > such, then there is no conflict in keeping that name for our distribution. It > will simply have a new meaning. Besides, that's what the conscious is: we are > opening up Core; we are not substituting it with something new. We are just > changing the build processes and mechanisms. I think Dimitris is absolutely correct. There is a high cost with 'rebranding'. Sometimes rebranding is necessary, but I am not convinced that our 'internal process' change (admittedly visible to anyone) is cause enough to justify rebranding or the immense effort people would have to go through to communicate that to the end user nothing has changed, it's merely a process change. Since Gregdek has said that it can't be only 'Fedora' or 'Fedora Linux' and has also stated that '"The Fedora Project" is the umbrella for everything that Fedora does.' I think Fedora Core is a very apt (thought I suppose I should say yummy instead) name, as producing a distribution/collection of packages is the CORE or central focus of 'The Fedora Project' . David Nalley -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFFb2rQkZOYj+cNI1cRAos6AJ9hcP2gO+sWMF6RYCAW/8fgr7+engCggqbQ 67BG7dS5c5/PPExtqqe+Zi0= =VFuf -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Fedora Core 6: Beauty or Beast?
by Rahul Sundaram 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

Hi A two part review http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3645261 http://www.enterprisenetworkingplanet.com/netos/article.php/3646046 "Conclusion Dare you trust Fedora Core 6 to production servers or desktops? Yes. If they are not mission-critical systems and you can tolerate downtimes, if you are diligent about keeping security patches applied, and if you are willing to trade extra work in exchange for getting your hands on enterprise-worthy bleeding-edge applications. Nothing beats a production environment for testing- no test lab can possibly duplicate all the factors real users will inflict on your innocent computers. If you want something that Just Works, don't use early Fedora releases. Be sure to read the release notes and other documentation. The Fedora project is absolutely dripping with good documentation. Please keep in mind that you can contribute by posting good bug reports and helping other users on the mailing lists, support forums, and Wikis. You don't have to make it your life's work- a little bit from everyone adds up to a lot. " Rahul

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Big decisions loom for Fedora
by chasd 29 Nov '06

29 Nov '06

> From: Rahul Sundaram > > Point. I added that link now. I am a pretty biased source having > written > that document though I believe it is generally very helpful to end > users. Fabulous. I think from a marketing perspective, having that link visible helps re-enforce the progress made toward a more transparent organization. To me it says "We aren't perfect, here is the stuff we missed." Maybe I read too much into little things ;) Charles Dostale

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Big decisions loom for Fedora
by chasd 28 Nov '06

28 Nov '06

> I wrote up a wiki page on this at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/ > Firefox2 > and linked to it from the common bugs page which was send to the > announce list. I find it hard to see how we could propogate these kind > of information further. I think the "Common Bugs" page is quite informative. I hadn't noticed that link, or passed over it because I already knew the background. Thanks for pointing it out. I think the "Common Bugs" page should have a link on the main page, right up where the download links are. It is at least as important as Usage Stats. Charles Dostale

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Primed for desktop Linux
by Rahul Sundaram 27 Nov '06

27 Nov '06

Hi A huge roll out of Fedora http://www.zdnet.com.au/blogs/disasterrecovery/soa/Primed_for_desktop_Linux… Rahul

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[Fedora-marketing-list] Re: Big decisions loom for Fedora
by chasd 27 Nov '06

27 Nov '06

> From: Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org> >> Slap down a digital voice recorder next to the phone speaker and >> post an >> OGG later. > > See > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-advisory-board/2006-November/ > msg00206.html Is the IRC "transcript" available anywhere ? Not that I am interested, but that is an advantage of a digital audio file of conference call procedings, it can be referenced at any time, sort of a historical record. IRC does open up the live conversation to those that aren't on the conference call. Unless that IRC session is saved and posted, it can't be referenced as time passes. An IRC log is possibly more easily skimmed through than an audio file, but does not contain the "body language" of inflection, etc. > This worked out pretty well for the summit itself and I > think we will continue that process for the future board meetings too. Good. > It would be good to hear what progress you think we have made > though. The transparency into the organization seems to be getting much better. I also think Fedora is out of the "incubation" period. Every startup faces a problem of establishing a brand. Part of establishing a brand is establishing trust. Because of the way the birth of Fedora happened ( which we can't change ), it started not at zero, but somewhere in minus land as far as trust in the eyes of many in the open source community. As the download/update access numbers for FC6 attest, I think a turning point has been reached. Branding is more than establishing what you _are_, it is also establishing what you are _not_. Consistently. The recent MS-Novell dealings have turned the light bulbs on over many heads as the consistency of the message of a free as in speech distribution finally kicked in. And it was good that RH backed that. As much as Fedora is not RHEL, there is a relationship. Somehow we need to find how to differentiate Fedora from Ubuntu in a simple, understandable way that does not knock or put down Ubuntu. As well as the transparency of the organization is progressing ( work still to be done, eh ? ), the transparency into certain engineering decisions could improve. Similar to how XGL was dropped on the world, sometimes I see an entry in the rawhide report on f-d-l and think " How'd they decide that ? ". If you so choose, now you can follow the decision process of organizational issues, because the Fedora organization is now almost completely outside the RH fence line. The decision process on engineering issues is not that transparent, and I expect the merging of Core "into" Extras will help that. An example could be the decision to stick with Firefox 1.5 in FC6. It got mentioned in several reviews, particularly in comparison with Ubuntu. If you followed f-d-l you would have read the Firefox maintainer's understandable position. If reviewers would have seen this quote: > Let me state it plainly for everyone: There is nothing > extremely compelling about Firefox 2.0. Firefox 3.0 on the other hand > will be very compelling for both features, linux support, and > embedding > support. I am seriously considering pushing 3.0 into FC6 and even > FC5, > and have been making noises for a while about that being the next > upgrade. then I think the 1.5 vs. 2.0 issue would have not been a negative, possibly with a positive spin. Bonus points for considering 2.0 not "new" enough. It would have also added to the consistency of the "upstream, upstream" mantra Fedora is/should be known for. Another related issue is if I am new to Fedora and I want to know " Where is Fedora heading ? " , how do I get that info ? What list do I subscribe to ? What URLs/sites should I monitor ? What blogs ? That isn't particularly clear, until after you've sampled a bit of every channel and discarded the ones you feel don't apply. The hardy soul that does that is uncommon. Fedora Weekly News does bring together some of the different channels in one place. I think some of the mismatch between reality and the perception of the Fedora project is rooted in the channels used to expose the activities of the Fedora project. If you subscribe to and follow a decent subset of the mail lists, I think you come away with a good idea of where Fedora is and where it is going. You can't cruise in, surf a few forums and poke at the list archives and come away with the same impression. It isn't a Fedora-specific problem. For my company, I also need to keep on top of proprietary software vendors such as Adobe, Apple, and Microsoft. You can't get a clear picture of those organizations in a couple days of cruising their web sites either. I don't think I'll ever get as good a picture of those organizations compared to Fedora, but if I spend time reading blogs and mail lists from those companies, I get a much clearer picture. OK, this turned out much longer than it should have been, sorry. Charles Dostale

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[Fedora-marketing-list] new italian Fedora site/forum
by Nicola Losito 26 Nov '06

26 Nov '06

Hi list, due to a really unpleasant discussion between the owner of the FedoraItalia.org domain and the core member of the Associazione ILDN which ended up in a complete divorce (with papers and "contracts" get done with a lawyer) the latter has decided to start another resource: - http://fedora-it.org which is, at the moment and by any mean a work in progress, so we will look to the logo and such. End of File :-) -- Nicola .:kOoLiNuS:. Losito http://koolinus.wordpress.com ITA => http://www.koolinus.net

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