irc-support-sig January 2011

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[irc-support-sig] #28: Bringing in new users
by fedora-badges 03 Feb '11

03 Feb '11

#28: Bringing in new users ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: alexh | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 13 Version: | Severity: Negative Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: so_solid_moo Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: I'm pasting the logs below. Basically, a user came into the channel to idle, watch, and help out. They initially made a mistake attempting to join another IRC channel, and then compounded that error by a bit of sarcasm that really wasn't offending anyone. At that point their card was marked and they ended up being kicked. I was unable to participate in the last IRC support meeting, I only caught the end of it, but I noticed that part of the discussion was about how to encourage people to participate in #fedora and help new users. This was someone who was visiting to watch and learn, and potentially help out, and they got a raw deal. This needs to change. As far as I can see they didn't break any rules, and I can't help but think they've been sent on their way with an exceptionally negative view of Fedora. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: I've deliberately left the nicks out of this specific log; they know who they are, but that's beside the point. This isn't the first time I've seen people dealt a raw deal on joining the channel because they happen to catch an Op in a poor mood. #fedora needs peace keepers, not police. Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: 1. people being kicked should get two chances. On the first, they should be told what specific channel rule they have broken, and that they risk being kicked if they do it again. If they do it again, by all means kick, but again tell them what rule they've broken. 2. the consistency in kicking is pretty awful. There was a user on just yesterday who was extremely foul-mouthed for an extended period of time, and ended up getting a kick/ban about an hour too late imho. Much clearer- cut rules would encourage both consistency and fairness. 3. there is a tendency amongst some to ask leading questions of users which inevitably leads to conflict. I can't help but note that if the user below had been left alone the whole situation would not have escalated. They really were not doing the channel any harm whatsoever. Any additional notes or logs: {{{ --> [user] (~[user]@xxxx) has joined #fedora <[user]> Hi everyone. <[other user]> howdy <[user]> /join #ubuntu <[user]> lol <[user]> that dont work on empathy wtf <[user]> empathy sucks at irc <[op1]> you fail <[user]> not really since i am in the room by using join room <[user]> empathy fails at taking commands * [op1] uses xchat <[user]> good for you <[op1]> can we help you with a Fedora issue? <[user]> no thanks i am just idling to help ppl <[op1]> with Fedora I hope? <[user]> ... <[user]> no i am here to help people with windows XP <[op1]> because advocating other $OSes like Bongo isn't allowed <[op2]> [user], then you're in the wrong channel. <[user]> oh damn <[op1]> I smell a troll <[op2]> [user], bye. <[user]> ok lol... i am here to idle... <[user]> and see peoples issues <[user]> with fedora <[user]> so yeah... <[op2]> [user], do you require end user support for *FEDORA* ? If not, you are in the wrong place. <[user]> dude just leave me alone i am here to be in the channel <-- fedbot has kicked [user] from #fedora ([op2]) }}} Thanks for your feedback! -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/28> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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Topic for tThursday's's irc-support-sig meeting (2011-02-03)
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 29 Jan '11

29 Jan '11

Ticket https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/28 is incomplete. I do not have the event in my logs and the reporter refuses to provide them. We should discuss it in the meeting to gain information that we can. I closed the ticket, WORKSFORME. -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob(a)fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | | http://www.facebook.com/rpjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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minutes from today's irc support sig meeting (2011-01-27)
by Kevin Fenzi 27 Jan '11

27 Jan '11

Sorry, I didn't send out an agenda for today's meeting. Here's the minutes/summary though: ============================================= #fedora-meeting: IRC Support SIG (2011-01-27) ============================================= Meeting started by nirik at 16:30:01 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-01-27/irc-support-sig.… .. Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 16:30:01) * Week in review (nirik, 16:33:44) * LINK: http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html (nirik, 16:33:44) * Tickets (nirik, 16:36:52) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 (nirik, 16:36:52) * Fudcon tempe (nirik, 16:38:01) * Open Floor (nirik, 16:41:59) Meeting ended at 17:12:31 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * FranciscoD (58) * nirik (54) * EvilBob (31) * DiscordianUK (19) * plarsen (18) * VileGent (4) * zodbot (4) * zcat (4) * aborticide (4) * thomasj (2) * xXx_hazard (1) * mock (1) -- 16:30:01 <nirik> #startmeeting IRC Support SIG (2011-01-27) 16:30:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Jan 27 16:30:01 2011 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:30:01 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:30:01 <nirik> #meetingname irc-support-sig 16:30:01 <nirik> #topic init process 16:30:01 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'irc-support-sig' 16:30:07 <nirik> who all is around for meeting? 16:30:21 * EvilBob 16:30:28 * DiscordianUK 16:31:01 * plarsen sneaks in quietly 16:31:50 <aborticide> Evening, gentlemen. 16:31:58 * DiscordianUK wishes I was in Tempe however not possible 16:32:01 * nirik waves at aborticide 16:32:12 <FranciscoD> .fas FranciscoD 16:32:13 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur(a)gmail.com> 16:32:36 <aborticide> can we talk about which swear words are allowed in #fedora? you'll notice that even pg-13 movies have swear words in them 16:32:43 * FranciscoD will just sit in a corner and listen 16:32:47 * zcat waves 16:32:52 * FranciscoD waves to zodbot 16:32:55 * FranciscoD waves to zcat 16:32:59 <aborticide> if you want to provide greater coverage for people under 12, i think swearing is the least of their problems if they're on IRC at that age 16:33:03 <zcat> hey FranciscoD 16:33:10 <DiscordianUK> The meeting hasn't started yet 16:33:12 <FranciscoD> zcat: hello! 16:33:13 <nirik> aborticide: you can bring it up in the open floor part of the meeting if you like? 16:33:18 <zcat> FranciscoD, HELLO-er 16:33:25 <FranciscoD> zcat: how have you been :) ? 16:33:38 <nirik> ok, looks like we have a number of folks, lets go ahead and get started... 16:33:44 <nirik> #topic Week in review 16:33:44 <nirik> http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html 16:34:06 <nirik> a reasonably typical week IMHO... 16:34:28 <aborticide> nirik: yes, but i've never been here before, so i don't know 16:34:42 <FranciscoD> +1 to typical 16:34:50 <nirik> aborticide: no worries. ;) we go through a few standard topics and then have a open floor at the end for any new thoughts. 16:34:51 <DiscordianUK> Fairly quiet 16:35:46 <zcat> FranciscoD, ya know... pleasantly cold... and poopy (speaking of... time for another baby butt-shower) 16:35:48 <nirik> anyone have anything they would like to note from the last week? common bugs or issues? 16:35:58 <FranciscoD> woah, my random quite is "didn't google give you anything". Makes sense ;) 16:36:10 <FranciscoD> zcat: heh, have fun at it XD 16:36:52 <nirik> #topic Tickets 16:36:52 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 16:37:00 <nirik> we have no tickets this week. ;) 16:37:01 <EvilBob> Any tickets? 16:37:06 <EvilBob> Bummer 16:37:08 <nirik> Do remember to ask people for feedback. 16:37:15 <nirik> @feedback everyone 16:37:53 <nirik> ok, moving on then... 16:38:01 <nirik> #topic Fudcon tempe 16:38:22 <nirik> For those folks who will be at fudcon, we should all try and meet up... 16:38:29 * plarsen is sad that he yet again is missing fudcon :( 16:38:39 <DiscordianUK> Same 16:38:41 <nirik> also, for those folks that couldn't make fudcon this time, there is #fedora-fudcon to talk with people who are there. 16:38:58 <DiscordianUK> heh 16:39:23 * FranciscoD will hang around on #fedora-fudcon, will probably not be at a fudcon for years to come :'( 16:39:23 <nirik> we should also make sure to note to people that some things may be slower than normal or not answered as quickly with everyone off at fudcon. 16:39:55 <FranciscoD> as long as it's general queries, we'll probably be able to handle it. 16:40:03 <nirik> sure, just something to remember. 16:40:12 <FranciscoD> the more advanced ones, which need nirik and fenrus02 etc., people will have to wait 16:40:26 <nirik> I should be on from there, but will probibly be distracted. ;) 16:40:42 <nirik> ok, anything else on the fudcon topic? 16:40:48 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: fenrus02 is not attending 16:41:03 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: then the channel will live ;) 16:41:31 * thomasj forgot to mention he's around as well.. sorry.. 16:41:45 <EvilBob> thomasj: Cool 16:41:50 <nirik> welcome thomasj 16:41:50 <thomasj> :) 16:41:55 <nirik> ok, moving on... 16:41:59 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 16:42:02 <FranciscoD> thomasj has been busy :$ 16:42:08 <FranciscoD> o/ 16:42:12 * nirik looks... aborticide left. 16:42:16 * FranciscoD has a topic ! 16:42:26 <FranciscoD> may I? 16:42:37 <EvilBob> No 16:42:40 <EvilBob> ;) 16:42:45 <FranciscoD> :( 16:42:49 <nirik> FranciscoD: sure, shoot. ;) 16:42:54 <EvilBob> Go for it 16:42:57 <FranciscoD> It's to do with getting more people into the channel to help 16:43:01 <FranciscoD> any suggestions? 16:43:06 <xXx_hazard> can we have something like <user> @info where user have to provide info about he has full install of fedora or using liveCD or liveUSB 16:43:51 <nirik> xXx_hazard: well, we have 'fpaste --sysinfo' 16:43:54 <FranciscoD> recently ambassadors have been planning classrooms to improve ambassadors techie levels, so I think it would be nice to have more people hanging around helping on #fedora 16:44:03 <nirik> FranciscoD: I'd love to get more folks involved... it's tough tho 16:44:19 <FranciscoD> it'll help users, and teach folks quite a bit (the way I learnt) 16:44:36 <DiscordianUK> There was a post on the planet about Ambassadors 16:44:46 <FranciscoD> nirik: I remember reading your blog post requesting folks to help troubleshoot 16:44:53 <EvilBob> You mean maybe some of them will start using/promoting Fedora then? 16:45:03 <DiscordianUK> I'd welcome Ambassadors on #fedora who are 100% committed to Fedora 16:45:22 <FranciscoD> I think we need to what is called "hang a carrot"? ;^) 16:45:27 <plarsen> DiscordianUK: there are Fedora Ambassadors who aren't 100% committed? 16:45:32 <nirik> EvilBob: running fedora in a virtualbox on windows isn't enough? ;) 16:45:40 <FranciscoD> A little bit of stimulation? 16:45:46 <DiscordianUK> Sure you see their blogs on FP 16:45:49 <nirik> FranciscoD: what did you have in mind? 16:46:05 <FranciscoD> I'm not sure, something like what the design team does, bounties etc.? 16:46:12 <EvilBob> plarsen: There are Fedora Ambassadors that seem to be more in to promoting Ubuntu than Fedora actually 16:46:17 <FranciscoD> not exactly the same thing, something similar I mean 16:46:23 <nirik> yeah, except it's hard to say 'help 5 users'... 16:46:24 <plarsen> DiscordianUK: hmmm - can you send me a link? I would be interested 16:46:36 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: there's nothing we can do about 'em 16:46:51 <nirik> we talked in the distant past about time slots... ie, sign up for an hour helping, etc. 16:46:52 <plarsen> EvilBob: Promoting? I've seen some use Ubuntu as an example and ask questions such as "why don't we do it more like that". I wouldn't call that Ubuntu advocacy? 16:46:57 <FranciscoD> nirik: yeah, I know. We'll need a different scale etc. 16:47:02 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: Heh, improve your screening process 16:47:13 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: meh, I aint wasting time on that :P 16:47:15 <EvilBob> plarsen: See what you want 16:47:24 <DiscordianUK> Plarsen : http://pierros.papadeas.gr/?p=197 16:47:28 * nirik notes that ambassadors are beyond the scope of this meeting, except where they help in #fedora. ;) 16:47:33 <plarsen> Thanks DiscordianUK 16:47:41 <DiscordianUK> It was crossposted to the Planet 16:47:46 <EvilBob> nirik: +1, sorry 16:47:56 <DiscordianUK> I apologise too 16:48:09 <nirik> anyhow, ideas to increase helpers in #fedora are always welcome... 16:48:11 * FranciscoD has that post on the "read when you have nothing else to do" list :D 16:48:33 <FranciscoD> nirik: well, once the classes start, I'm going to try and push folks into helping 16:48:52 <FranciscoD> carrot here is "apply your knowledge, interact with more people, learn more about fedora, get better" 16:48:59 <FranciscoD> how's that sound for a one liner ? 16:49:05 <nirik> one thing I have been toying with for other parts of fedora, but could apply here too: 16:49:19 <FranciscoD> and yes, rule #1 -> if you don't know, keep quiet, no guessing! 16:49:31 <nirik> create a list of easyfix stuff. (ie, wiki pages we want updated, reports or info we want gathered, etc). 16:49:39 <nirik> FranciscoD: sounds great to me. 16:49:41 * VileGent 16:50:26 <FranciscoD> nirik: On these lines ;)? https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Remote_Mini_Wiki_Editing_FAD2_2011 16:50:40 <EvilBob> Not sure how teaching someone one day and having them help someone the next day is going to help anyone 16:51:04 <nirik> FranciscoD: sure... ;) the wiki needs lots of love 16:51:06 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: not immediately, over a period of time? I've learnt over a period of 3-4 years :D 16:51:25 * FranciscoD requests folks to take an hour out for the event mentioned about ;^) 16:51:35 <plarsen> nirik: I think that would be great. We all know, that quite a few that goes to #fedora hasn't done much "googling" or searching for answers at all. 16:52:18 <nirik> like any community/area, it's nice to join and just watch for a while and learn how the community works... 16:52:24 <FranciscoD> +1 16:52:43 <DiscordianUK> That's the old IRC/newgroup/mailling list way for sure 16:52:55 <FranciscoD> (and you also meet more people from the community) 16:53:06 <nirik> anyhow, I'd say if you can think of ways to get more people to join and watch/learn/help, please do so. ;) 16:53:47 <FranciscoD> can I use the stats for a blog post? 16:53:59 <EvilBob> And be prepared for backlash when you give bad advice 16:54:08 <FranciscoD> it might get some folks interested, seeing what happens on the channel etc. 16:54:11 <plarsen> Personally #fedora is a great place to network, pick up new tips and trends. Being able to share knowledge/help is second to that. 16:54:30 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: always evil eh ;^) 16:54:33 <plarsen> So yes, getting people to hang out and just learn would be a great beginning 16:54:58 <nirik> FranciscoD: sure. I don't see why not. 16:56:15 <nirik> ok, anything else for open floor, or on this topic? 16:56:19 <EvilBob> Bad advice is bad advice 16:56:21 * FranciscoD fires up le blog 16:56:25 <VileGent> plarsen, and that is what i tell the new people in the channel is hang out and log the channel and READ the logs 16:56:49 <FranciscoD> "How to learn more about Fedora" 16:57:07 <EvilBob> "I get permissions denied when trying to view a page on my webserver" "Oh disable SElinux and chmod it to 777" 16:57:08 <plarsen> VileGent: +1 - I've told people that too. 16:57:20 <FranciscoD> I think that will make a great post, #1 will obviously be "hang around in #fedora" 16:57:29 <FranciscoD> ;) 16:57:38 <VileGent> FranciscoD, check and see if it is in the channel FAQ 16:57:55 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: One good thing to add, if you don't know the answer and can't help, DON'T GUESS. 16:57:56 <plarsen> VileGent: Actually, I get the reaction quite often that "I don't know enough to help out" meaning people seems to think you need to be quite knowlegeable to hang out in #fedora. I think correcting that misconception would help. 16:58:06 <VileGent> (not that anyone every reads said channel FAQ) 16:58:19 <DiscordianUK> I have read it 16:58:43 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: 22:27 < FranciscoD> and yes, rule #1 -> if you don't know, keep quiet, no guessing! 16:58:47 <FranciscoD> :P 16:59:12 * FranciscoD offers EvilBob coffee 16:59:18 <DiscordianUK> Hmmm and don't advocate OSes 16:59:48 <EvilBob> Nothing worse than helping someone to only have some other jump in to :help: half way though solving the problem also. 17:00:01 <DiscordianUK> yeah 17:00:18 <EvilBob> But then again even some of our experienced helpers/ops do that 17:00:50 <EvilBob> I don't think I have anything more 17:00:51 <mock> imma let you finish, but... 17:00:51 <DiscordianUK> True I've been guilty of that 17:01:47 <EvilBob> If I ever do it with out good reason, slap the spit out of my mouth please 17:02:01 <FranciscoD> correcting is alright, yes? 17:02:15 <nirik> correcting wrong information is very much appreciated. 17:02:28 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: Only if one knows the correct info 17:02:36 <FranciscoD> aye 17:02:43 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: the problem comes in when people "think" 17:02:47 <FranciscoD> basically stick to "only help if you're sure" 17:03:06 <FranciscoD> EvilBob: your chance to crack some whips then ;) 17:03:35 <plarsen> Which will then prevent most new people from even trying to help. We cannot have an ivory tower here that punishes people for just trying to help? 17:03:53 <FranciscoD> it's not punishing so much as gently correcting 17:04:00 <EvilBob> FranciscoD: A lot of times I just walk away with a parting shot "User: let me know when $HELPER is done so we can try to correct the damage" 17:04:10 <FranciscoD> "positive reinforcements" 17:04:12 <plarsen> If people say something wrong, they'll be corrected. It shouldn't be a rule that people need to think of themselves as experts to try to answer a question 17:04:48 <nirik> right. 17:05:22 <nirik> The only thing that might help that is a karma type system, which gets a bit complex. 17:05:34 <EvilBob> plarsen: so you are saying that giving bad info is good? Because they are not only not an expert but also have no clue at all? 17:05:39 <FranciscoD> "stay excellent to each other" always holds 17:06:17 <plarsen> EvilBob: I'm saying having information/answers is better than NO answers. If someone says (as a question or answer) something wrong, others will chime in to correct. Why is that such a bad idea? 17:06:30 * EvilBob grumbles about that stupid saying 17:06:42 <EvilBob> plarsen: I disagree 17:07:10 <EvilBob> plarsen: there is not always someone around to correct wrong info 17:08:09 <FranciscoD> it's a personal responsibility, people will learn by observing others 17:08:19 <plarsen> EvilBob: Maybe - we started out by asking for more people to help out. I don't think putting the bar up so high that most people cannot pass it, helps. 17:08:26 <DiscordianUK> I've seen users give very very bad and dangerous advice in #fedora 17:08:36 <nirik> people will say incorrect things, we can't prevent that. We should ask them to not guess and be gracefull about being corrected if they are wrong. 17:08:59 <plarsen> DiscordianUK: I have too. There used to be guidelines on what NEVER to tell people in help; like even jokingly suggest "rm -rf /" etc. 17:09:14 <plarsen> nirik: +1 17:09:20 <DiscordianUK> That is still banned 17:09:22 <nirik> plarsen: there still is. ;) We should kick you for that! :) 17:09:40 * plarsen blushes 17:10:13 <nirik> anyhow, do we have anything further here? or should we call it a meeting? or is there something we should discuss further? 17:10:17 <EvilBob> plarsen: that's fine, you can help fix the damage, what's your email again? 17:11:40 <EvilBob> I've had enough stupid for today, lets move on 17:12:14 <nirik> ok, thanks for coming everyone... 17:12:31 <nirik> #endmeeting

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Plan for tomorrow's irc-support-sig meeting (2011-01-20)
by Kevin Fenzi 20 Jan '11

20 Jan '11

Here's what I have for an agenda for tomorrow's meeting, which will be held at 16:30UTC in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in the "open floor" section of the meeting. #topic Week in review http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html #topic feedback tickets https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 #topic Open Floor

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Plan for tomorrow's irc-support-sig meeting (2011-01-13)
by Kevin Fenzi 13 Jan '11

13 Jan '11

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[irc-support-sig] #27: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

#27: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Reporter: mathezula | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Version: | Severity: Negative Keywords: discretion, operator issues, operators trolling, fedora representation | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: mathezula Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #fedora-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted. *note: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved (Evilbob, bjensen) took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket. *note: this repost ticket was deleted by bjensen, incorrectly marked as a 'duplicate', so it had to be reposted again. If this is not the correct venue for reporting issues, please email me at mathezula(a)gmail.com ; This ticket has now been deleted 4 times to prevent it from properly being addressed. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen) Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important and are not being used, resulting in great confusion. Any additional notes or logs: Here are [http://pastebin.com/KW6brmh8 several clips] (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels as I am now absolutely certain that fedora should not be represented this way: {{{ <fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs. <ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter. * chee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * Bass10 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything <fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really. <ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign. <ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now. * Froolap has quit (Quit: I give up, you win. I surrender.) <mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing <mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14 * satellit_ (~satellit@2002:d064:95e7:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) has joined #fedora <fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ... <mutk> mathezula, Not at all. * Froolap (~Froolap(a)pool-71-180-136-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #fedora <ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then. <mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :) <mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir.. <mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14 <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along <Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want. <mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14 <fenris02> mathezula, run osx. <mathezula> osx != F14 <fenris02> next stupid question. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> yikes. <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want. <mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me <mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :) <ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype. <fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting. <ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe. <fenris02> again. and again. ************ #fedora **************** <mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'? <mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output. <SynFlag> man modprobe <SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio <SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz <SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe <Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this? <Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> thats fubar * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there. <KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again <fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was. <Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables <fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today. <mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * timahvo1 (~rogue(a)41.72.215.94) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'. <fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ... <SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english? <SynFlag> or fix the error <ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe <fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod" <SynFlag> ok, thanks <mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe <SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works! * KolonelPanic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) <ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though. <mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that <Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line * KGBWolf has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE <fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result) <ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file. <mathezula> mutk, pm? :) <ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs. <mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up? ********************************** PM with mutk ********************************** <mathezula> im a loud person <mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here <mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here <mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be <mathezula> uhm. <mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way. <mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ... <mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol <mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao <mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today.. <mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble <mutk> You won't. <mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel? <mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look. <mathezula> k <mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#F… <mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :) <mathezula> sounds good ************ #fedora ************* <fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then. <fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation. <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place <fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer. <jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed <jroysdon> we teach fishing <fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers. <mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now. * Abhinav1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) <fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way. * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask. <Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker. <fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ... <ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software. <Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain ************ #fedora ************* <mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf <mathezula> s/after/at the end of/ <fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ... <Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice! * MatthewV has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel <fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage. * MatthewV (~matthew(a)124-169-180-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #fedora * mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol <mathezula> but i see your point <mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf <fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too. <mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago <fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux. <mathezula> no not at all * fenris02 chuckles politely <mathezula> ... <fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png * mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list <fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new" <fenris02> check the release date. <mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07 <mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check. <fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question. * mathezula shrugs <mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :) <fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are *NEW* * opengeard has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) <mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about. * mikeandmore (~mikeandmo(a)58.206.209.18) has joined #fedora <fenris02> ok. if you insist. * jozefk has quit (Quit: Leaving) <mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future. <fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history. <mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula <fenris02> enough trash. * fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02 <[R]> that's what she said? * sgordon has quit (Quit: EOF) ************ #fedora-ops ************* * Now talking on #fedora-ops * Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting| * Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010 * mathezula sighs <mathezula> anybody reading #fedora? <fenris02> Yes. <fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude. <mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude <mathezula> you're in a mood <mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this <fenris02> and? <mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it? <fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all. <EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood <mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely? <mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour? <fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive? <mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you. <EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job" * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula) ************ #fedora-social ************* * Now talking on #fedora-social * Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋ * Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011 * MarkDude has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start <EvilBob> ONLY warning <jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p * KageSenshi has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it? <tw2113> mosrly community last i knew <tw2113> mostly* <mathezula> any idea where I could find out? <tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more <mathezula> lol * fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com * You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob) }}} *note: I have been told by evilbob/bjensen to separate this into three tickets which would alter the context of this single event that carried into multiple channels, and this is being used as the grounds to delete my ticket about this event. I have not done so because this is a single event, and spreading it into multiple tickets would keep it from being addressed properly. My request is bjensen not be assigned the ticket as he is the partial subject of this complaint. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/27> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #26: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

#26: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Reporter: mathezula | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Version: | Severity: Negative Keywords: discretion, operator issues, operators trolling, fedora representation | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: mathezula Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #fedora-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted. *note: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved (Evilbob, bjensen) took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket. *note: this repost ticket was deleted by bjensen, incorrectly marked as a 'duplicate', so it had to be reposted again. If this is not the correct venue for reporting issues, please email me at mathezula(a)gmail.com ; This ticket has now been deleted 3 times to prevent it from properly being addressed. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen) Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important and are not being used, resulting in great confusion. Any additional notes or logs: Here are [http://pastebin.com/KW6brmh8 several clips] (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels as I am now absolutely certain that fedora should not be represented this way: {{{ <fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs. <ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter. * chee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * Bass10 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything <fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really. <ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign. <ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now. * Froolap has quit (Quit: I give up, you win. I surrender.) <mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing <mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14 * satellit_ (~satellit@2002:d064:95e7:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) has joined #fedora <fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ... <mutk> mathezula, Not at all. * Froolap (~Froolap(a)pool-71-180-136-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #fedora <ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then. <mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :) <mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir.. <mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14 <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along <Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want. <mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14 <fenris02> mathezula, run osx. <mathezula> osx != F14 <fenris02> next stupid question. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> yikes. <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want. <mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me <mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :) <ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype. <fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting. <ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe. <fenris02> again. and again. ************ #fedora **************** <mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'? <mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output. <SynFlag> man modprobe <SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio <SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz <SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe <Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this? <Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> thats fubar * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there. <KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again <fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was. <Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables <fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today. <mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * timahvo1 (~rogue(a)41.72.215.94) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'. <fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ... <SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english? <SynFlag> or fix the error <ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe <fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod" <SynFlag> ok, thanks <mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe <SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works! * KolonelPanic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) <ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though. <mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that <Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line * KGBWolf has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE <fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result) <ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file. <mathezula> mutk, pm? :) <ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs. <mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up? ********************************** PM with mutk ********************************** <mathezula> im a loud person <mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here <mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here <mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be <mathezula> uhm. <mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way. <mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ... <mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol <mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao <mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today.. <mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble <mutk> You won't. <mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel? <mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look. <mathezula> k <mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#F… <mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :) <mathezula> sounds good ************ #fedora ************* <fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then. <fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation. <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place <fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer. <jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed <jroysdon> we teach fishing <fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers. <mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now. * Abhinav1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) <fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way. * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask. <Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker. <fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ... <ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software. <Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain ************ #fedora ************* <mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf <mathezula> s/after/at the end of/ <fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ... <Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice! * MatthewV has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel <fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage. * MatthewV (~matthew(a)124-169-180-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #fedora * mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol <mathezula> but i see your point <mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf <fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too. <mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago <fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux. <mathezula> no not at all * fenris02 chuckles politely <mathezula> ... <fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png * mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list <fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new" <fenris02> check the release date. <mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07 <mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check. <fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question. * mathezula shrugs <mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :) <fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are *NEW* * opengeard has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) <mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about. * mikeandmore (~mikeandmo(a)58.206.209.18) has joined #fedora <fenris02> ok. if you insist. * jozefk has quit (Quit: Leaving) <mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future. <fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history. <mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula <fenris02> enough trash. * fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02 <[R]> that's what she said? * sgordon has quit (Quit: EOF) ************ #fedora-ops ************* * Now talking on #fedora-ops * Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting| * Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010 * mathezula sighs <mathezula> anybody reading #fedora? <fenris02> Yes. <fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude. <mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude <mathezula> you're in a mood <mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this <fenris02> and? <mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it? <fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all. <EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood <mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely? <mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour? <fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive? <mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you. <EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job" * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula) ************ #fedora-social ************* * Now talking on #fedora-social * Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋ * Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011 * MarkDude has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start <EvilBob> ONLY warning <jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p * KageSenshi has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it? <tw2113> mosrly community last i knew <tw2113> mostly* <mathezula> any idea where I could find out? <tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more <mathezula> lol * fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com * You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob) }}} *note: I have been told by evilbob/bjensen to separate this into three tickets which would alter the context of this single event that carried into multiple channels, and this is being used as the grounds to delete my ticket about this event. I have not done so because this is a single event, and spreading it into multiple tickets would keep it from being addressed properly. My request is bjensen not be assigned the ticket as he is the partial subject of this complaint. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/26> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #25: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

#25: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Reporter: mathezula | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: discretion, operator issues, operators trolling, fedora representation | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: mathezula Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #freenode-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted. *note: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved (Evilbob, bjensen) took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket. *note: this repost ticket was deleted by bjensen, incorrectly marked as a 'duplicate', so it had to be reposted again. If this is not the correct venue for reporting issues, please email me at mathezula(a)gmail.com ; This ticket has now been deleted twice to prevent it from properly being addressed. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen) Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important and are not being used, resulting in great confusion. Any additional notes or logs: Here are [http://pastebin.com/KW6brmh8 several clips] (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels as I am now absolutely certain that fedora should not be represented this way: {{{ <fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs. <ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter. * chee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * Bass10 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything <fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really. <ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign. <ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now. * Froolap has quit (Quit: I give up, you win. I surrender.) <mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing <mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14 * satellit_ (~satellit@2002:d064:95e7:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) has joined #fedora <fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ... <mutk> mathezula, Not at all. * Froolap (~Froolap(a)pool-71-180-136-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #fedora <ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then. <mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :) <mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir.. <mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14 <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along <Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want. <mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14 <fenris02> mathezula, run osx. <mathezula> osx != F14 <fenris02> next stupid question. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> yikes. <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want. <mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me <mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :) <ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype. <fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting. <ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe. <fenris02> again. and again. ************ #fedora **************** <mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'? <mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output. <SynFlag> man modprobe <SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio <SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz <SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe <Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this? <Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> thats fubar * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there. <KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again <fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was. <Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables <fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today. <mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * timahvo1 (~rogue(a)41.72.215.94) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'. <fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ... <SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english? <SynFlag> or fix the error <ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe <fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod" <SynFlag> ok, thanks <mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe <SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works! * KolonelPanic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) <ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though. <mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that <Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line * KGBWolf has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE <fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result) <ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file. <mathezula> mutk, pm? :) <ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs. <mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up? ********************************** PM with mutk ********************************** <mathezula> im a loud person <mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here <mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here <mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be <mathezula> uhm. <mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way. <mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ... <mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol <mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao <mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today.. <mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble <mutk> You won't. <mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel? <mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look. <mathezula> k <mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#F… <mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :) <mathezula> sounds good ************ #fedora ************* <fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then. <fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation. <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place <fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer. <jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed <jroysdon> we teach fishing <fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers. <mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now. * Abhinav1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) <fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way. * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask. <Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker. <fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ... <ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software. <Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain ************ #fedora ************* <mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf <mathezula> s/after/at the end of/ <fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ... <Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice! * MatthewV has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel <fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage. * MatthewV (~matthew(a)124-169-180-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #fedora * mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol <mathezula> but i see your point <mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf <fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too. <mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago <fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux. <mathezula> no not at all * fenris02 chuckles politely <mathezula> ... <fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png * mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list <fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new" <fenris02> check the release date. <mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07 <mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check. <fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question. * mathezula shrugs <mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :) <fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are *NEW* * opengeard has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) <mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about. * mikeandmore (~mikeandmo(a)58.206.209.18) has joined #fedora <fenris02> ok. if you insist. * jozefk has quit (Quit: Leaving) <mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future. <fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history. <mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula <fenris02> enough trash. * fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02 <[R]> that's what she said? * sgordon has quit (Quit: EOF) ************ #fedora-ops ************* * Now talking on #fedora-ops * Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting| * Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010 * mathezula sighs <mathezula> anybody reading #fedora? <fenris02> Yes. <fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude. <mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude <mathezula> you're in a mood <mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this <fenris02> and? <mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it? <fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all. <EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood <mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely? <mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour? <fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive? <mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you. <EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job" * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula) ************ #fedora-social ************* * Now talking on #fedora-social * Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋ * Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011 * MarkDude has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start <EvilBob> ONLY warning <jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p * KageSenshi has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it? <tw2113> mosrly community last i knew <tw2113> mostly* <mathezula> any idea where I could find out? <tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more <mathezula> lol * fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com * You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob) }}} *note: I have been told by evilbob/bjensen to separate this into three tickets which would alter the context of this single event that carried into multiple channels, and this is being used as the grounds to delete my ticket about this event. I have not done so because this is a single event, and spreading it into multiple tickets would keep it from being addressed properly. My request is bjensen not be assigned the ticket as he is the partial subject of this complaint. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/25> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #24: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

#24: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Reporter: mathezula | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: minor | Milestone: Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: discretion, operator issues, operators trolling, fedora representation | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------+ Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: mathezula Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #freenode-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted. *edit: I posted a ticket about this, but one of the operators involved took assignment of the ticket, then removed content pertaining to him and made several attempts to flame in the comments. This is a repost to avoid that operator (Evilbob, bjensen). All 3 of these bans are part of the same event, so I have kept them intact in this ticket. *edit: this repost ticket was deleted by bjensen, incorrectly marked as a 'duplicate', so it had to be reposted again. If this is not the correct venue for reporting issues, please email me at mathezula(a)gmail.com Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenris02, mutk, Evilbob (bjensen) Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: I don't think there are any #fedora policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to those policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important (at least to me). Any additional notes or logs: Here are several clips (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels as I am now absolutely certain that fedora should not be represented this way: {{{ <fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs. <ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter. * chee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * Bass10 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything <fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really. <ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign. <ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now. * Froolap has quit (Quit: I give up, you win. I surrender.) <mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing <mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14 * satellit_ (~satellit@2002:d064:95e7:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) has joined #fedora <fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ... <mutk> mathezula, Not at all. * Froolap (~Froolap(a)pool-71-180-136-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #fedora <ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then. <mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :) <mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir.. <mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14 <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along <Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want. <mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14 <fenris02> mathezula, run osx. <mathezula> osx != F14 <fenris02> next stupid question. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> yikes. <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want. <mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me <mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :) <ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype. <fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting. <ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe. <fenris02> again. and again. ************ #fedora **************** <mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'? <mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output. <SynFlag> man modprobe <SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio <SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz <SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe <Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this? <Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> thats fubar * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there. <KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again <fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was. <Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables <fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today. <mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * timahvo1 (~rogue(a)41.72.215.94) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'. <fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ... <SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english? <SynFlag> or fix the error <ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe <fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod" <SynFlag> ok, thanks <mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe <SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works! * KolonelPanic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) <ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though. <mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that <Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line * KGBWolf has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE <fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result) <ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file. <mathezula> mutk, pm? :) <ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs. <mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up? ********************************** PM with mutk ********************************** <mathezula> im a loud person <mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here <mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here <mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be <mathezula> uhm. <mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way. <mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ... <mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol <mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao <mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today.. <mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble <mutk> You won't. <mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel? <mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look. <mathezula> k <mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#F… <mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :) <mathezula> sounds good ************ #fedora ************* <fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then. <fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation. <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place <fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer. <jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed <jroysdon> we teach fishing <fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers. <mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now. * Abhinav1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) <fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way. * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask. <Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker. <fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ... <ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software. <Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain ************ #fedora ************* <mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf <mathezula> s/after/at the end of/ <fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ... <Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice! * MatthewV has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel <fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage. * MatthewV (~matthew(a)124-169-180-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #fedora * mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol <mathezula> but i see your point <mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf <fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too. <mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago <fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux. <mathezula> no not at all * fenris02 chuckles politely <mathezula> ... <fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png * mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list <fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new" <fenris02> check the release date. <mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07 <mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check. <fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question. * mathezula shrugs <mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :) <fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are *NEW* * opengeard has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) <mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about. * mikeandmore (~mikeandmo(a)58.206.209.18) has joined #fedora <fenris02> ok. if you insist. * jozefk has quit (Quit: Leaving) <mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future. <fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history. <mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula <fenris02> enough trash. * fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02 <[R]> that's what she said? * sgordon has quit (Quit: EOF) ************ #fedora-ops ************* * Now talking on #fedora-ops * Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting| * Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010 * mathezula sighs <mathezula> anybody reading #fedora? <fenris02> Yes. <fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude. <mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude <mathezula> you're in a mood <mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this <fenris02> and? <mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it? <fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all. <EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood <mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely? <mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour? <fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive? <mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you. <EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job" * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula) ************ #fedora-social ************* * Now talking on #fedora-social * Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋ * Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011 * MarkDude has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start <EvilBob> ONLY warning <jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p * KageSenshi has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it? <tw2113> mosrly community last i knew <tw2113> mostly* <mathezula> any idea where I could find out? <tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more <mathezula> lol * fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com * You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob) }}} -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/24> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #22: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social
by fedora-badges 07 Jan '11

07 Jan '11

#22: Ban Appeal: mathezula - #fedora, #fedora-ops, #fedora-social ------------------------------------------------+--------------------------- Reporter: mathezula | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Version: | Severity: Negative Keywords: discretion, swiftboat, expectations | ------------------------------------------------+--------------------------- Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: mathezula Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Operator fenris02 was in a bit of a mood of sorts; I was banned in #fedora. I patiently requested in #fedora-ops for another op to read the log (in the hopes my ban would be lifted); fenris02 became rather confrontational when I did this, and I asked him to follow the guidelines for the operators. I was consequently banned after operator Evilbob dismissed my request to have the log reviewed. I joined #freenode-social and asked a little about who owned the various fedora channels, and was banned for it by operator Evilbob. My intention wasn't to file a ticket or get anyone in trouble, but, I'd like all my bans lifted. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenris02, mutk, Evilbob Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: I don't think there are any policy changes that would prevent this in the future, I think the policies are great; I do think from reading the operator guidelines for the fedora channels that maybe some operator team meetings where an emphasis on adhering to the policies already in place is made. I understand that it's a large support channel and that operating a channel that big is a huge amount of stress and work, but those standards are important (at least to me). Any additional notes or logs: Here are several clips (clipped for context, it's a long log) of fenris02 kind of...being a little ...agitated...along with clips of he and I directly interacting in the channel; I have also included related private messages to other operators discussing the issue, along with clips of what I feel are bans of mine from tonight that should be lifted and looked into in the various fedora channels: ********** #fedora *********************** <fenris02> ivazquez|laptop, KGBWolf has been here for the last 12 hours asking trivial questions that would be solved by reading RUTE or other intro docs. <ivazquez|laptop> Ooooh, an anklebiter. * chee has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) * Bass10 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, I don't think it did anything <fenris02> ok, 13 hours, 3 minutes really. <ivazquez|laptop> That's a good sign. <ivazquez|laptop> Try the ports now. * Froolap has quit (Quit: I give up, you win. I surrender.) <mathezula> fenris02, you're not seriously suggesting that getting help here depends on reading rute <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop, nope, nothing <mathezula> fenris02, btw i was told to look for you as you had some good reading about apple rendering in F14 * satellit_ (~satellit@2002:d064:95e7:0:219:d1ff:fe73:14e6) has joined #fedora <fenris02> mathezula, Do you *really* want to go there? seriously? it has not even been 24hrs for your yet ... <mutk> mathezula, Not at all. * Froolap (~Froolap(a)pool-71-180-136-88.tampfl.fios.verizon.net) has joined #fedora <ivazquez|laptop> Aero528: Strange. Dunno then. <mathezula> mutk, must have just been the wording is all :) <mutk> mathezula, You need to asses the full background first sir.. <mathezula> fenris02, yes i really want to know about BCI tweaking in F14 <Aero528> ivazquez|laptop,, I did find this: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> im assuming its BCI I thought it was GDI but me and acronyms dong get along <Aero528> I don't understand what to do exactly though <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the acronyms and explain what it is you really want. <mathezula> i want a replica of apple's font rendering in F14 <fenris02> mathezula, run osx. <mathezula> osx != F14 <fenris02> next stupid question. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> yikes. <fenris02> mathezula, why not skip all the crap and explain what it is you really want. <mutk> mathezula, Try to be a little more verbose 'apple rendering in F14' makes little sense to me <mathezula> ok. apple renders their font differently than what is standard on F14, with specifications that can be replicated on linux systems. I could follow a linux tut on this as i have with other distros but would like to skip that if there is a 'fedora way' that is better. :) <ivazquez|laptop> You need a rebuilt freetype. <fenris02> mutk, careful with that one. if you tell him he's wrong, he'll blow up again and spend the next few hours ranting. <ivazquez|laptop> Try RPMFusion maybe. <fenris02> again. and again. **************** #fedora ********************** <mathezula> SynFlag, what do you mean by 'not working'? <mathezula> SynFlag, please explain output. <SynFlag> man modprobe <SynFlag> fopen: No existe el fichero o el directorio <SynFlag> Imposible abrir la página sobre /usr/share/man/es/man1/depmod.1.gz <SynFlag> No hay ninguna página sobre modprobe <Aero528> could someone explain to me how to do this? <Aero528> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F14_bugs#USB_3.0_ports_not_working <mathezula> thats fubar * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, err, it tells you right there. <KGBWolf> found what i need thanks again <fenris02> mathezula, no. it's spanish. completely normal error. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ <mathezula> oh, ty, i wasn't aware what spanish was. <Aero528> fenris02, I know, but I don't know how to create files or pass kernel variables <fenris02> mathezula, that's two. dont play dumb a third time today. <mathezula> yikes. is anyone else reading this? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ * timahvo1 (~rogue(a)41.72.215.94) has joined #fedora <fenris02> Aero528, kernel variables are passed on the grub line that begins with 'kernel'. <fenris02> Aero528, you create files with your favorite editor ... <SynFlag> fenris02: how view the manpage in english? <SynFlag> or fix the error <ivazquez|laptop> LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe <fenris02> SynFlag, purely out of curiosity, try "LANG=en_US man depmod" <SynFlag> ok, thanks <mathezula> SynFlag, http://linux.die.net/man/8/modprobe <SynFlag> great LANG=en_US.utf8 man modprobe works! * KolonelPanic has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) <ivazquez|laptop> man should be dropping back to en_US if the es man page isn't found though. <mathezula> ivazquez|laptop, yeah i was concerned about that <Aero528> fenris02, sorry, I just installed linux today, so i'm not familiar with any of this. How do you access the grub line * KGBWolf has quit (Remote host closed the connection) <fenris02> @saylucky Aero528 RUTE <fedbot> Aero528: http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz (this is a google 'I feel lucky' search result) <ivazquez|laptop> First, practice using a text editor on a non-dangerous file. <mathezula> mutk, pm? :) <ivazquez|laptop> Popular choices are nano, vim, and emacs. <mutk> mathezula, Sure. Whats up? ********************************** PM with mutk ********************************** <mathezula> im a loud person <mathezula> but i like what you guys are doing here <mathezula> and i've read the outlines for whats expected of the various roles here <mathezula> and you guys are right where i want my org to be <mathezula> uhm. <mathezula> you might want to...uh.. 'catalyze' with fenris02, he seems to be in quite the mood tonight. I'd try myself but he'd probably take it the wrong way. <mutk> Understood. He has had a bit of a crap time with this guy KGBWolf. Seriously ... <mathezula> i figured he'd chill out a little with a little nudge from the right person and you seem to be a more respected senior op. if you're doing `pidof $proc` still you are OLD SCHOOL lol <mathezula> thats like 'e-world' old lmfao <mutk> BTW, there is a feedback channel somewhere.. I tend not to pay attention. You could in the mildest language possible point out what happened today.. <mathezula> well i dont want to get him in trouble <mutk> You won't. <mathezula> which channel is the feedback channel? <mutk> Sorry it is not literally a #channel.. Its a trac project I think, let me have a look. <mathezula> k <mutk> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC/Maximizing_Support_from_IRC#F… <mutk> Take a copy of our conversation too so it can be placed in the ticket :) <mathezula> sounds good ************ #fedora ************* <fenris02> Aero528, pay someone to do it for you then. <fenris02> Aero528, the going rate is about 85$/hr, with a 4 hour minimum. double that if you want an explanation. <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, thanks for your help. This could have been done much quicker, but it seems I looked for help in the wrong place <fenris02> Aero528, you asked in the correct place, but you are unwilling to read the answer. <jroysdon> we dont spoonfeed <jroysdon> we teach fishing <fenris02> Aero528, had you put even a modicum of effort into solving it, i can provide much nicer answers. <mathezula> Aero528, i'll do it for you for 25 dollars an hour and include an explanation <Aero528> fenris02, Ok, I understand this. I'm sorry. I'll figure it out, but I was hoping someone could point me to some specific resources rather than just a vague direction. In any case, I'm reading now. * Abhinav1 has quit (Quit: Leaving.) <fenris02> Aero528, Excellent! Glad to hear it. you will learn much, and quickly that way. * KolonelPanic (~heywood(a)208.118.158.133) has joined #fedora <mathezula> Aero528, if you have questions while you're getting familiar with it, dont hesitate to ask. <Aero528> fenris02, I had every intention of reading it, but I was hoping to have it solved quicker. <fenris02> Aero528, that is the quick way. the short cut makes it take years longer ... <ivazquez|laptop> I need a recommendation for web-based NAS software. <Aero528> fenris02, I'll take your word for it then. Thanks for your help. Sorry if i've been a pain ************ #fedora ************* <mathezula> Aero528, for example, if you needed to pass a noacpi option to your kernel in grub.conf you'd just find the line youre booting from, copy that whole entry, paste it, then put 'noacpi' after your kernel selection line in grub.conf <mathezula> s/after/at the end of/ <fenris02> mathezula, for testing, grub.conf is the wrong place to put things ... <Aero528> mathzula, Ok, thanks for the advice! * MatthewV has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds) <mathezula> fenris02, if there's another way to test a kernel option the only other way i know would be to manually type it in while grub is actually running to select the kernel <fenris02> mathezula, bingo! the perfect method for *testing* something. it verifies that it works and does no permanent damage. * MatthewV (~matthew(a)124-169-180-87.dyn.iinet.net.au) has joined #fedora * mathezula has never gotten a kernel option wrong lol <mathezula> but i see your point <mutk> mathezula, It is possible to edit the grub parameters at boot time too. Rather than adding them to the grub.conf <fenris02> mathezula, you already admitted to being new too. <mathezula> yes i had never touched a fedora system two days or so ago <fenris02> mathezula, you're still new to linux. <mathezula> no not at all * fenris02 chuckles politely <mathezula> ... <fenris02> mathezula, Yes. you are. http://fenris02.fedorapeople.org/futurist.se_gldt/gldt1011.png * mathezula looks for slackware 10 on that list <fenris02> it's near the right side ... "new" <fenris02> check the release date. <mathezula> oh jeez, it must have been '06 or '07 <mathezula> hrm, no, maybe '05. not sure i'd have to check. <fenris02> three seconds of google answers that question. * mathezula shrugs <mathezula> I guess there's really no excuse, then. :) <fenris02> mathezula, when you ask the same basic question that you asked yesterday and the day before, and have to be told up to eight times the same answer, you are *NEW* * opengeard has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds) <mathezula> I have no idea what you're talking about. * mikeandmore (~mikeandmo(a)58.206.209.18) has joined #fedora <fenris02> ok. if you insist. * jozefk has quit (Quit: Leaving) <mathezula> I would prefer it if you refrained from personal attacks in the future. <fenris02> mathezula, that is not an attack at all. merely restating your recent history. <mathezula> I see. Well, you're wrong. * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * fenris02 removes channel operator status from mathezula <fenris02> enough trash. * fenris02 removes channel operator status from fenris02 <[R]> that's what she said? * sgordon has quit (Quit: EOF) ************ #fedora-ops ************* * Now talking on #fedora-ops * Topic for #fedora-ops is: Enduser support in #fedora | Administrative chat for all Fedora Channel Operators; for more information: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/IRC | IRC Support SIG Meetings: Thursdays at 16:30 UTC in #fedora-meeting| * Topic for #fedora-ops set by VileGent!~notfred@fedora/Southern-Gentleman at Tue Dec 21 22:19:34 2010 * mathezula sighs <mathezula> anybody reading #fedora? <fenris02> Yes. <fenris02> lurk in #fedora all you like. this way, at least you will stop being disruptive and rude. <mathezula> i wasn't being disruptive and rude <mathezula> you're in a mood <mathezula> anyone reading the log will see this <fenris02> and? <mathezula> lashing out at me because you're in a bad mood is a little inconsistent with that's expected of fedora operators per the guidelines we have, isn't it? <fenris02> mathezula, you failed to understand a basic concept. First off, i am not mad at you at all. <EvilBob> I know for a fact fenris02 is not in a bad mood <mathezula> Good. Then can you start adhering to the operator guidelines a little more closely? <mathezula> EvilBob, can you read the log for #fedora for the last half hour? <fenris02> mathezula, you want to start being constructive? <mathezula> fenris02, no, I want you to use your ops in the manner described for you. <EvilBob> And when he is he rarely if ever lets that overflow in to his "job" * ChanServ gives channel operator status to fenris02 * fenris02 sets ban on $a:mathezula * You have been kicked from #fedora-ops by fenris02 (mathezula) ************ #fedora-social ************* * Now talking on #fedora-social * Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Fedora Support #fedora ≋≋≋ 2011: The Year of the Bacon ≋≋≋ * Topic for #fedora-social set by mock!~mock@fedora/mock at Tue Jan 4 13:19:43 2011 * MarkDude has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <EvilBob> I don't want to hear it so don't start <EvilBob> ONLY warning <jroysdon> the butler did it ;-p * KageSenshi has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) <mathezula> are these channels all owned by one group or is it kind of a collaborative thing between community members? like is there red-hat behind it? <tw2113> mosrly community last i knew <tw2113> mostly* <mathezula> any idea where I could find out? <tw2113> yeah, someone else in here who knows more <mathezula> lol * fedbot sets ban on mathezula!~mathezula(a)170.sub-75-200-175.myvzw.com * You have been kicked from #fedora-social by fedbot (You were warned, EvilBob) Thanks for your feedback! 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