irc-support-sig April 2011

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[irc-support-sig] #47: Unnecessary abruptness amidst general helpfulness.
by fedora-badges 06 May '11

06 May '11

#47: Unnecessary abruptness amidst general helpfulness. ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: chibapet | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [ ] Negative [x] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: ChibaPet Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: fenrus02 was being mildly rude, which came as a surprise given the generally friendly nature of the channel. I was asked to leave feedback. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: fenrus02 primarily Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: Participants could perhaps not be told to go away. I asked a general question that applied to Fedora, and I believe the question and answer to both be on-topic. "I installed a package this way. It was an error. What are my options for cleaning it up?" Any additional notes or logs: Ah, wow, the angry little fellow managed to silence me in the channel. He became abusive when I offered an answer to a user who was wondering about encryption during install. He went on a tear about how I was wrong and shouldn't talk. And then I was silenced. What a horrible experience. I'd suggest getting rid of fenrus02. He's quite rude and his behaviour suggests mental illness. Here's a log: (04:10:54 PM) ChibaPet: Babalau, I'm guessing here that it's offering to turn on LVM encryption. (04:11:04 PM) AstralStorm: fenrus02, yeah right, nothing stands out (04:11:06 PM) ChibaPet: Oh, he left. (04:11:18 PM) fenrus02: AstralStorm, then it's not in any of your configured repos. (04:11:36 PM) AstralStorm: so it's not in the main repo at all. weird (04:11:36 PM) AstralStorm: which repo should I add then? (04:11:44 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, dont give out bad / misleading advice. you cannot "turn on" that at all. (04:11:51 PM) talisein: uckelman, http://library.gnome.org/admin/system- admin-guide/stable/gconf-9.html.en (04:12:12 PM) ChibaPet: Fenrus, that's neither bad nor misleading at all. Perhaps you need to learn about LVM? (04:12:14 PM) AstralStorm: or is there some tool that makes finding external repositories easier? (04:12:18 PM) talisein: uckelman, what i would do is make 2 launcher apps on your toolbar that you click that would switch the font (04:12:28 PM) uckelman: talisein: Aha, yes. (04:12:29 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, perhaps you should do the same. how long have you been using it exactly? (04:12:38 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, when precisely did you enable crypto in lvm? (04:12:53 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, in the middle of your storage of actual data or was it really prior to that event? (04:13:15 PM) ChibaPet: Use Google, fenrus03. (04:13:27 PM) ChibaPet: He was talking about an installer. (04:13:29 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, flat out, you are wrong chia (04:13:48 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, the installer is not the same as installing kde post install (04:13:49 PM) uckelman: talisein: Is this a common problem? I thought it would be handled by the screens having a different DPI. (04:14:27 PM) fenrus02: ChibaPet, i am quite familiar with how the installer works as well. feel free to ask actual questions that an end user may have. for other questions, there are other channels. (04:14:29 PM) ChibaPet: Fenrus, I'm sorry about whatever is making you act this way, and I hope it gets better. If you want, I can try to find some resources for you. (04:14:29 PM) talisein: uckelman, I'm not qualified to answer that. But when I put my laptop in a dock I only need to change the resolution, not the font (04:15:05 PM) WebDragon: fenrus02 happens to be a long-term member here, ChibaPet, just FYI (04:15:16 PM) mode (+q ChibaPet!*@*) by fedbot (04:15:17 PM) fedbot: ChibaPet, You have been quieted in this channel temporarily. Please read http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Channel_FAQ and consider changing your approach and/or the behavior that is disrupting the channel. If you feel this action was in error, please file a ticket at https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ (04:15:40 PM) uckelman: talisein: Thanks for your help. I'll try adding launchers for font-size switching. (04:16:01 PM) fenrus02: hush now ChibaPet enough trolling. come back when you have an actual end-user question about fedora. see /topic for details So, this was my first experience with #fedora, and probably my last if you allow people like this to take their anger out on people. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/47> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #48: NFS shares mount as nobody even if uid/gid match (F14)
by fedora-badges 05 May '11

05 May '11

#48: NFS shares mount as nobody even if uid/gid match (F14) ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: eckirchn | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [X] Positive [ ] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: eckirchn (eckirchn_) Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: After updating all machines to F14 (from F13) my NFS server shares mount as NOBODY. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: mutk Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: we ended up with the resolution being to force NFS3 in FSTAB, not sure why NFS4 doesn't work.. Mutk also helped me setup up root access to my shares safely.. Thank you! Any additional notes or logs: Thanks for your feedback! -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/48> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #43: Excellent Help from IRC channel
by fedora-badges 05 May '11

05 May '11

#43: Excellent Help from IRC channel -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Reporter: pmbasehore | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: minor | Milestone: Fedora 15 Version: 2.0 | Severity: Positive Keywords: | -----------------------+---------------------------------------------------- Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [X] Positive [ ] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} Logged into #fedora channel to ask a specific question about fc15. Even though I'm using a beta version, user fenrus02 was extremely helpful with getting my SSD tuning where I need it to be. Kudos to fenrus02! My IRC nick is: ______ Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: Any additional notes or logs: Thanks for your feedback! -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/43> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #46: resolution: fixing my network-configuration
by fedora-badges 05 May '11

05 May '11

#46: resolution: fixing my network-configuration ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: eckirchn | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: 2.0 | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [X] Positive [ ] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: eckirchn Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: network configuration was lost Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: nirik fenrus02 Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: ifconfig -a /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules Any additional notes or logs: <eckirchn_> hey all, need some help, i lost my ethx card on F14.. i think i screwed it up, the card shows up in lspci but i don't have any eth0,1,2..... etc... how can i have fedora reset all network configurations? <pollos> system-config-network <pollos> /etc/sysconfig/netowrk-scripts <mutant> bye <mutant> I am trying to get my usb keyboard and/or mouse to wake my Fedora 14 system from suspend <eckirchn_> pollos: ya. kinda there, and been there, guess i am not sure what i am missing, my intel based mobo ethernet card has an ifcfg-eth0 file <mutant> right now, /proc/acpi/wakeup only shows PWRB as enabled <nirik> eckirchn_: does it show in 'ifconfig -a' ? <mutant> and when I run "acpitool -w", I just get the output of /proc/acpi/wakeup <mutant> can anyone tell me how to decipher the Device codes in /proc/acpi/wakeup? <eckirchn_> nirik: thanks for helping, my wiki where i post my notes from here is on this machine, thus i can't pull it up.. its showing up as eth4.. now its coming back to me... i want to do something like ifconfig eth4 192.168.0.72? <nirik> eckirchn_: or just change it to eth0 in /etc/udev/rules.d/70 -persistent-net.rules <eckirchn_> nirik: that was what i was looking for.. what creates that file? if i were to purge it, does some daemon recreate it? <nirik> udev makes it. You can remove all the eth lines and it will get rebuilt starting at eth0 <fenrus02> nirik, isnt biosdevname in there? <nirik> sure. udev calls that. <fenrus02> nirik, n/m, he's on f14. my bad. <eckirchn_> nirik: thanks that was my missing link <nirik> oh yeah, thats not called on f14 <eckirchn_> nirik fenrus02 can i say again - you'all rock <nirik> happy to help eckirchn_ Thanks for your feedback! -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/46> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #45: Complaint against an off-topic ban
by fedora-badges 04 May '11

04 May '11

#45: Complaint against an off-topic ban ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Reporter: sirpengi | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | ---------------------+------------------------------------------------------ Please fill in this template fully and provide all requested information. Incomplete tickets may be dropped. This feedback is: {{{ [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral }}} My IRC nick is: sirpengi Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: Today I first joined #fedora, thinking to eventually ask if anyone can help troubleshoot issues I'm having with F15 on a Lenovo x120e. Without having all my debugging notes available I idled and tried my best to help people with any questions. In the 2 hours I was there, I helped 4 people with questions, after which I was banned for being off-topic. Not only do I feel that I was not off-topic, but during the entire time a channel operator was being excessively picky about what was topic. This experience did not make me feel that the fedora community is very welcoming. === Overview of topics I participated in === Topic 1: 22:27:49 LukeScott asks why he shouldn't be using Fedora on a server. Various people chime in and the conversation is carried for quite a while. I pipe in, continuing a thread where we are telling LukeScott that you can still get "newer" packages on RHEL/CentOS. It is when LukeScott asks a question about the IUS repo site that DiscordianUK first mentions that the talk is offtopic (@22:56:49). LukeScott tries to defend his question but DiscordianUK shoots it down. Following the warnings, I offer to take the topic to PM (@23:01:25) and things end there. Topic 2: 23:50:35 DeviceZer0 is looking for a chromium repo. There's an interchange that I haven't left out where I step on the toes of VileGent (23:52:32~23:54:49), but that is quickly swept under the rug and I answer DeviceZer0's question. Again, DiscordianUK complains that the talk is off-topic (@23:58:44) but later rescinds this when it's pointed out we're talking about a fedorapeople repo. Topic 3: 00:14:30 KBme isn't a fedora user, but wants to know the contents of a fedora package. He is having issues using admin.fedoraproject.org, and I point out the links on the page that takes him to the appropriate koji page. Then it's mostly KBme talking, and I mention he can browse the git repo as well. DiscordianUK warns of off-topic again (@00:25:33) Topic 4: 00:25:39 Xdept is trying to install vncserver from the repos and can't figure out why he doesn't have the vncpasswd executable. After I answer the question I am promptly kicked. === In my defense === At the worst, it could only be argued that the the first topic was off- topic. However, it was a discussion that even DiscordianUK took a part of. All in all, he spoke more words on that topic than I did, and it was only after he was tired of the conversation did it start to become off- topic. Also in my defense, I heeded the warnings and offered to take things in PM. Also of note, when the questioner tries to defend his topic, the op refuses to discuss it further (@23:04:47). Can an op really not offer a user a chance to defend themselves? I shouldn't need to argue topic 2, since the op rescinded his complaint. Re Topic 3, while the questioner wasn't a fedora user, he had an issue with a fedora community website, regarding the contents of a package provided by fedora. I'd argue that's on topic. If there's a better place to ask such a question, the op could've been helpful in providing a hint(e.g. "please take it to #fedora-whatsingrub"), rather then just telling people to stop talking. Re Topic 4, the questioner is on a fedora system, having issues with a package they installed from the fedora repos. Not only did I answer the question by pointing out the package he needs to install, but also included how I arrived at that answer. That hardly seems like kick-worthy behavior. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: DiscordianUK (also LukeScott, DeviceZer0, Xdept) Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: Ops needs to be reminded to take their responsibility seriously. Behavior of a channel op reflects on the fedora community. I also think there should be clear protocol as to what steps and op should take when action is necessary. When I was kicked, the kick message was "Xdept (housekeeping)". At no point was I notified that DiscordianUK was an op, and his kick message left me wondering who took the action. I only know now because an onlooker PM'ed me and shared his version of the logs. It also wasn't clear then what methods of recourse I had available to defend myself. Ops in other channels that I've been in usually include a "PM me for explanation" in the kick message or directly PM the offender after the kick. I only found out about this trac after whining on identi.ca about this incident. Also, based on the response I got on identi.ca, it appears this sort of things happens a lot. I wasn't originally going to file any complaint - I'm already idling and assisting in too many other channels across freenode and OFTC so it really doesn't matter to me if my help is not welcome somewhere. But it seems a lot of people who were grieved don't know about this trac, thus a lot of complaints don't get filed. There's a saying that goes "for every 1 you see, there are 9 more in the shadows..." Any additional notes or logs: Unrelated chatter has been replaced with ... I'll also attach the original undoctored log. {{{ 22:27:49 LukeScott Anyone know of any good points of why to or why not to use Fedora as a server OS? (Besides its shorter life cycle - which may or may not be the biggest one) 22:28:08 DiscordianUK that's a good reason why not to ... 22:28:20 fenrus02 LukeScott, that's pretty much it. 13mo lifespan. 22:29:38 LukeScott So if I wanted newer packages Fedora is pretty much what I want then, correct? I also heard it's easier to upgrade between major versions with Fedora (although I'm not sure if that's accurate). ... 22:30:13 DiscordianUK We don't advise trying to do that LukeScott ... 22:30:41 LukeScott Trying to upgrade between Fedora major versions? 22:30:41 DiscordianUK backup/reinstall/restore is what we advise LukeScott 22:31:30 LukeScott On a desktop that's not too big of a deal, but what about a server? Surely if downtime is an issue that isn't ideal. Backing up and restoring alone would take a lot of time. 22:31:33 nirik LukeScott: also, there's a pretty quick pace of updates. ... 22:32:00 DiscordianUK I wouldn't recommend Fedora as a server os ... 22:32:32 LukeScott So if newer packages were a bigger deal, what flavor do you recommend? ... 22:33:08 mbana how close is fedora to red hat enterprise? 22:33:09 fenrus02 LukeScott, el6 for a server. 22:33:17 fenrus02 mbana, not much. [376/642] 22:33:29 nirik mbana: RHEL is a downstream of fedora. 22:33:30 fenrus02 mbana, rhel6 is based off f12+ more or less. MUCH has changed. 22:33:34 DiscordianUK on a server you want stability 22:33:40 LukeScott Well from what I understand (may be wrong) Fedora is bleeding edge, Red Hat is Enterprise. 22:33:41 DiscordianUK not change .. 22:33:58 DiscordianUK Fedora is leading edge .. 22:34:20 DiscordianUK rawhide is bleeding edge ... 22:34:40 DiscordianUK and it may eat your firstborn ... 22:35:23 LukeScott DiscordianUK: So is there anything in-between in the Red Hat family? CentOS and RHEL's packages are way out of date compared to the leading edge (at least some packages are). ... 22:35:50 fenrus02 LukeScott, centos/scientific are based off rhel directly. 22:36:01 DiscordianUK LukeScott, the various other repos for CentOS 22:36:02 nirik LukeScott: well, it's tradeoffs. Do you want things to be stable? or do you want the latest versions of everything? ;) ... 22:36:09 DiscordianUK like EPEL ... 22:37:03 LukeScott DiscordianUK: So this is an Enterprise repo for Fedora? 22:37:16 DiscordianUK no 22:37:29 fenrus02 LukeScott, no. EPEL is the things that are not in RHEL, but still fit in there nicely. 22:37:47 nirik LukeScott: do you require EVERYTHING to be new? or just selected bits? or ? 22:38:14 DiscordianUK Specifically EPEL will not overwrite stuff in core RHEL or CentOS ... 22:39:04 listman I think the first question should be what type of server is this, large production w/ 2000 users or is this just a private server for a few ppl 22:39:13 LukeScott nirik: It really depends on the package. ... 22:40:03 DiscordianUK Let's be clear LukeScott you won't find your ideal distro 22:40:06 nirik LukeScott: well, see the above tradeoff then. The very newest packages don't match up with everything stable. 22:40:15 DiscordianUK It just doesn't exist 22:40:37 LukeScott Production. But we want to be able to take advantage of some of the newer technologies. One example is the SSL extension (which won't be of use until XP usage drops down significantly). The version of OpenSSL in CentOS doesn't support it, but the version used in Fedora does. ... 22:40:55 DiscordianUK As nirk says there are tradeoffs 22:41:02 DiscordianUK nirik ... 22:41:53 DiscordianUK In those circs I'd choose centos and build my own rpms 22:42:03 DiscordianUK but that's me ... 22:42:46 DiscordianUK But then I know how to build rpms ... 22:44:41 sirpengi I dunno, I use CentOS and I find that there's a high quality repo for all things I want to be the latest stable ... 22:45:06 DiscordianUK centos has many good repos ... 22:47:52 LukeScott Some packages I understand. But I wish some of the other packages were updated more, like PHP. I wish I could install MySQL 5.5 from RPM, as an example. ... 22:48:22 LukeScott But then again I haven't been using 3rd party repos. ... 22:50:23 sirpengi LukeScott: IUS has both 22:50:27 sirpengi http://iuscommunity.org/Repos ... 22:51:00 sirpengi LukeScott: but I use/prefer remi's repo - well, back when I was on php and mysql ... 22:53:11 LukeScott sirpengi: What's the best way to lookup a package in ius through the browser? 22:53:35 sirpengi LukeScott: click on the "repos" tab in the nav and select the version/arch you use ... 22:53:48 LukeScott sirpengi: Ah ok. Got it. Tried search first. ... 22:55:09 LukeScott sirpengi: Any chance there might be a PHP-FMP (5.3.6) repo around? ... 22:56:05 sirpengi LukeScott: isn't there one in IUS? ... 22:56:49 DiscordianUK is there any good reason you are *still* asking this in #fedora LukeScott ... 22:57:07 LukeScott sirpengi: I just see php53u. Doesn't really say what SAPI it is. ... 22:57:38 sirpengi LukeScott: php53u-fpm ... 22:58:43 LukeScott sirpengi: I'm not seeing it here: http://dl.iuscommunity.org/pub/ius/stable/Redhat/5/SRPMS/repoview/letter_p.… .html 22:58:56 DiscordianUK last warning LukeScott take this to #centos you are not running Fedora ... 22:59:28 nirik LukeScott: #rhel may also have better info on 3rd party repos for rhel/centos. ;) ... 22:59:49 DiscordianUK indeed nirik 23:00:00 DiscordianUK this is not the place ... 23:00:49 LukeScott DiscordianUK: I'm asking about repos. Couldn't that be RHEL CentOS or Fedora? ... 23:00:58 DiscordianUK No 23:01:20 DiscordianUK Fedora and Centos/RHEL repos are not interchangeable 23:01:25 sirpengi LukeScott: feel free to PM me to continue the discussion 23:01:39 LukeScott sirpengi: Thanks. 23:01:39 DiscordianUK and now you've done 23:01:40 * nirik would suggest #rhel personally. ... 23:03:12 DiscordianUK can we please return to fedora stuff here ... 23:04:11 nirik DiscordianUK: I think we have. ;) 23:04:22 DiscordianUK good ... 23:04:47 LukeScott DiscordianUK: May I PM you please. 23:04:57 DiscordianUK no way 23:05:07 DiscordianUK I don't do pms ... 23:50:35 DeviceZer0 anyone know of any repos for chromium-dev? ... 23:51:58 sirpengi DeviceZer0: do you particularly need chromium or does chrome work for you? 23:52:14 VileGent maybe repos.fedorapeople.org ... 23:52:32 VileGent sirpengi, chrome is closed source chromium is open source 23:52:48 sirpengi VileGent: I know the difference. I'm asking if it matters 23:53:05 VileGent sirpengi, for alot of us yes it does 23:53:20 sirpengi VileGent: now unless you speak for DeviceZer0 then your opinion doesn't really count here 23:53:36 DiscordianUK Ouch 23:53:46 Egyptian[Laptop] sirpengi: actually his opinion reflects the opinion of most of us here 23:54:02 DiscordianUK absolutely 23:54:02 VileGent sirpengi, well i have been here over 5 years and you have been here how long 23:54:49 sirpengi I don't see how that matters. Seniority doesn't mean you dictate how others feel 23:54:54 Egyptian[Laptop] sirpengi: if it doesnt matter to you whether your copy of windows comes from the store or from some warez pirate then thats your private business really ... 23:55:41 DiscordianUK can we just get back to Fedora 23:55:53 DeviceZer0 sirpengi, i do prefer to use the chromium-dev over chrome....been using chromium for a long time and like it. i know they are the same minus logos and auto bug reporting(i think???) in chrome. ... 23:56:17 sirpengi DeviceZer0: then http://repos.fedorapeople.org/repos/spot/chromium/ should be it 23:56:23 DiscordianUK -dev sounds like debian to me 23:57:03 VileGent geez ... 23:57:40 DeviceZer0 sirpengi, ah. awesome.... 23:57:46 DiscordianUK we support what we ship 23:57:53 DeviceZer0 hmm ..chromium 12 is the current -dev channel right? 23:58:25 sirpengi DeviceZer0: appears to be updated april 6th, so that seems pretty new 23:58:44 DiscordianUK right can this stop 23:59:01 DiscordianUK This is a Fedora channel 23:59:28 nirik a fedorapeople repo doesn't seem too far offtopic to me. 23:59:43 nirik it's at least related to fedora. ;) ... 00:00:50 DeviceZer0 lol yea...i would assume talking about installing applications in fedora would be a fedora related subject 00:00:58 DeviceZer0 :) ... 00:01:06 DiscordianUK there's a fedorapeople repo for chromium-dev? ... 00:01:38 nirik yes, spot's repo is the dev version I think... 00:01:53 DiscordianUK hmm 00:02:31 DiscordianUK I apologise as necessary ... 00:03:26 nirik DiscordianUK: I could be mistaken... but I thought it was. 00:03:53 DiscordianUK Possibly 00:04:09 DeviceZer0 nirik, i think it is too. 00:04:39 * DiscordianUK installs it ... 00:05:18 DiscordianUK ahh yes 12 ... 00:05:56 DiscordianUK which is roughly what google-chrome is on ... 00:14:30 --> KBme (~KBme@2001:470:1f13:94::3) has joined #fedora 00:14:34 KBme hai 00:15:11 KBme is it possible to download a package from the admin.fedoraproject.org or does it just display information about it? ... 00:15:42 KBme also, it might now be just quicker to ask if fedora installs the grub defaults file into /etc/defaults as debian or not... 00:15:44 Egyptian[Laptop] KBme: are you talking about updates- testing repo ? 00:16:01 KBme no, i'm talking about the packages search and stuff 00:16:07 KBme honestly, i'm not really a fedora user 00:16:17 KBme but i found the interface *very* difficult 00:16:36 KBme like how do I download a package from this page https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/grub2 ? 00:16:37 Egyptian[Laptop] KBme: what so difficult about gnome or kde? my 5 yo uses it 00:16:49 KBme and why didn't search find anything for "grub" 00:16:58 KBme heh 00:17:05 Egyptian[Laptop] KBme: uhhh.. if you are using f14 you are using grub2 00:17:36 Egyptian[Laptop] i take that back .. grub 0.97 hmm 00:17:41 KBme i just want to download the package or check it's contents ... 00:18:06 KBme i do not have fedora, i just need to see where it installs the defaults file 00:18:15 Egyptian[Laptop] rpm -qil grub ? 00:18:19 sirpengi KBme: if you click on "build status" it'll take you to the koji page. where you can download pretty much any build in the history of that package 00:18:23 Egyptian[Laptop] oh 00:18:29 KBme yay 00:18:44 KBme sirpengi, thank you very mush sir 00:19:59 KBme it is very complicated though 00:20:01 ampletime sirpengi, cool tip thanks 00:23:11 sirpengi KBme: actually, it seems if you went to "package source" you can browse the git repo. if you know how to read the .spec file the info you want is probably there ... 00:24:46 KBme sirpengi, yeah, well, exploring an archive is way easier. Also, i have no clue about rpm nor fedora. 00:25:20 KBme I'm a deb/tar/ebuild guy ;) just checking out where you install the grub defaults file 00:25:33 DiscordianUK This has now to cease 00:25:36 --> Xdept (~Linode(a)122.58.48.199) has joined #fedora 00:25:39 Xdept Help 00:25:41 KBme and it seems everyone puts it in /etc/defaults 00:25:48 KBme s,s$,, 00:25:51 Xdept I've installed yum install vncserver and vnc yet vncpasswd isn't available why? 00:25:58 Xdept [root@ubuntu ~]# vncpasswd 00:25:58 Xdept -bash: vncpasswd: command not found ... 00:26:37 sirpengi Xdept: ubuntu? 00:26:45 Xdept that's just the hostname sirpengi 00:26:53 sirpengi just checking 00:26:56 Xdept Package tigervnc-server-module-1.0.90-0.16.20100420svn4030.fc13.i686 already installed and latest version 00:27:10 Xdept Yet the system says the package aint there 00:27:11 Xdept =\ ... 00:29:00 sirpengi yum provides */vncpasswd tells me that tigervnc-server-minimal provides that in /usr/bin/vncpasswd 00:29:33 -- Mode #fedora [+b *!~sirpengi(a)freelancedreams.com] by fedbot 00:29:34 <-- fedbot has kicked sirpengi (Xdept (housekeeping)) }}} -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/45> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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Minutes/Summary from today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-28)
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 29 Apr '11

29 Apr '11

Minutes/Summary from today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-28) Meeting ended Thu Apr 28 17:35:25 2011 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-28/irc-support-sig.… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-28/irc-support-sig.… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-28/irc-support-sig.… -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob(a)fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | | http://www.facebook.com/rpjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Plan for today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-28)
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

Here's what I have for an agenda for today's (2011-04-28) meeting, which will be held at 17:00UTC/13:00Eastern in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Sorry for the late agenda, thanks dcr226 for reminding me. Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in the "open floor" section of the meeting. #topic Week in review http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html #topic feedback tickets https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/43 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/45 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/46 https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/47 -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob(a)fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | | http://www.facebook.com/rpjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Minutes/Summary from today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-21)
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 21 Apr '11

21 Apr '11

Minutes/Summary from today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-21) Minutes: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-21/irc-support-sig.… Minutes (text): http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-21/irc-support-sig.… Log: http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2011-04-21/irc-support-sig.… -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob(a)fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | | http://www.facebook.com/rpjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Plan for today's irc support sig meeting (2011-04-21)
by Robert 'Bob' Jensen 21 Apr '11

21 Apr '11

Here's what I have for an agenda for today's (2011-04-21) meeting, which will be held at 17:00UTC/13:00Eastern in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in the "open floor" section of the meeting. #topic Week in review http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html #topic feedback tickets https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 One ticket opened and closed https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/44 -- Bob ------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Robert 'Bob' Jensen || Fedora Unity Founder | | bob(a)fedoraunity.org || http://fedoraunity.org/ | | http://bjensen.fedorapeople.org/ | | http://blogs.fedoraunity.org/bobjensen | | http://www.facebook.com/rpjensen | ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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[irc-support-sig] #44: First time F14/#fedora user experience
by fedora-badges 18 Apr '11

18 Apr '11

#44: First time F14/#fedora user experience ----------------------------------------+----------------------------------- Reporter: soreau | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Negative Keywords: #fedora op [R] DiscordianUK | ----------------------------------------+----------------------------------- This feedback is: [ ] Positive [X] Negative [ ] Neutral My IRC nick is: soreau Please briefly describe the interaction that caused you to file this ticket: I am frustrated by the response I got from a known problem user on irc and the fact that an op labeled me as a troll for getting upset at him. Please note other IRC nicks that are involved in this interaction: [R], DiscordianUK Please describe what action or positive change could be adopted based on this feedback: This op in particular should not make these comments to a new fedora user: <DiscordianUK> troll <DiscordianUK> ahh you're on #ubuntu <DiscordianUK> I thought I smelled a troll <DiscordianUK> You are trolling here sir Any additional notes or logs: <rushfan> soreau: just calm down <soreau> alacarte should already be installed by default <soreau> rushfan: Ok <DiscordianUK> I also have no time for fools like you <[R]> you shoud'nt be swithcing to an new dist if you have no time to read its docs <soreau> ok 'sudo yum install alacarte' seems to be working <soreau> [R]: STFU <soreau> I don't have time for your comments <[R]> lol <soreau> Also, I was not pleased to find my user was not part of sudoers file by default <DiscordianUK> troll <soreau> Since it's the only user on the machine <[R]> soreau: fedora doesnt configure sudo by deafult <soreau> /ignore [R] <soreau> oops <[R]> DiscordianUK: good, now i can call him the idiot taht he is <soreau> [R]: You can't even spell <soreau> Who;'s the idiot now <[R]> i thought you put me on ignore * fedbot gives channel operator status to DiscordianUK <DiscordianUK> are you gonna behave soreau ? <soreau> DiscordianUK: Yes as long as [R] does too <DiscordianUK> Play nice then please <soreau> Ok * fedbot removes channel operator status from DiscordianUK <soreau> Man, it takes an act of congress to get a package installed :P <soreau> Have to confirm twice already <DiscordianUK> ahh you're on #ubuntu <DiscordianUK> I thought I smelled a troll <fedbot> Please visit our trac instance at https://fedorahosted.org/irc- support-sig/ and file a feedback ticket telling us about your experience in #fedora. Thanks in advance for your feedback. <[R]> troll-o-vision <soreau> DiscordianUK: So according to you, everyone in #ubuntu is a troll <soreau> ... <soreau> ? <DiscordianUK> You are trolling here sir <soreau> No I am not, I'm trying to get help with F14 as a new user <DiscordianUK> Then I suggest you don't fight off people like [R] who might help you <soreau> Now when I start vncviewer, it starts on the right output, not the main one as expected <soreau> Is there a way to fix this or is it a wm issue? <dvanstone> soreau: change the display numbers ? <soreau> dvanstone: How do you mean? <soreau> dvanstone: Other apps start on the primary output <soreau> all other apps I've started so far, at least <DiscordianUK> Right I must sleep * DiscordianUK has quit (Remote host closed the connection) The op is DiscordianUK and [R] is an irc user I've known for years from several different channels. He is very abrasive and always says 'read docs' or 'man this' and never offers any real help. The op called me a troll several times and acted like I was the bad guy. In any event, I did not appreciate this at all in the slightest and I believe this op should have handled things in a much more professional manner instead of 'flashing his headlights' as an op and calling me a troll several times when I am trying to get noob help. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/44> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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