irc-support-sig January 2012

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voting proposal mark 3
by Kevin Fenzi 02 Feb '12

02 Feb '12

a) The sig controls/manages the following channels: #fedora #fedora-social #fedora-unregistered #fedora-ops b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed channels. c) New operators/voting members are nominated by any existing member, who (after confirming the nominee is agreeable) files a ticket. Voting members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome. d) Existing voting members can be removed in roughly the same way as the process in c). Inactive members can be removed if their is a majority vote to do so here. e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members), broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change. f) when and if other channels wish to join the sig, rules for that can be added. g) The #fedora-ops channel is for coordinating between operators of the other 3 channels. Operators in those 3 channels are welcome to join and idle in #fedora-ops. Other folks can be allowed by nomination from an op and a second from any other operator. Those not in the above 2 groups are welcome to join and discuss an issue or concern with the other 3 channels, but will be asked to then depart after their issue or concern is noted. kevin

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[irc-support-sig] #97: @ affix
by fedora-badges 02 Feb '12

02 Feb '12

#97: @ affix ---------------------+------------------------ Reporter: h4ckm3 | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 16 Version: | Severity: Positive Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | ---------------------+------------------------ Awesome support, complete solution in < 10 seconds +1, kudos, "like" = phenomenon = = reason = = recommendation = -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/97> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #96: User Zungo The Vampire
by fedora-badges 02 Feb '12

02 Feb '12

#96: User Zungo The Vampire ---------------------+------------------------ Reporter: dp67 | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | ---------------------+------------------------ = phenomenon = User Zungo refuses to read man pages or links given to him. He enters the channel and demands to be spoon fed. He shouts when he doesn't get attention and makes a general nuisance of himself. = reason = = recommendation = The user should be banned or quieted long term until he learns to do a little research for himself or learns some patience before persistently wearing out his welcome in #fedora. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/96> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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voting proposal mark 2
by Kevin Fenzi 26 Jan '12

26 Jan '12

Bob and some others raised some concerns around the logistics of adding and removing new channels...so, to simplify, here's a new version of my voting proposal: a) The sig controls/manages the following channels: #fedora #fedora-social #fedora-unregistered #fedora-ops b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed channels. c) New operators/voting members are nominated by any existing member, who (after confirming the nominee is agreeable) files a ticket. Voting members have 7 days to vote, majority vote determines outcome. d) Existing voting members can be removed in roughly the same way as the process in c). Inactive members can be removed if their is a majority vote to do so here. e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members), broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change. f) when and if other channels wish to join the sig, rules for that can be added. kevin

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Plan for tomorrow's irc support sig meeting (2012-01-26)
by Kevin Fenzi 26 Jan '12

26 Jan '12

Here's what I have for an agenda for tomorrow's (2012-01-26) meeting, which will be held at 17:00UTC/13:00Eastern in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in the "open floor" section of the meeting. #topic Week in review http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html #topic feedback tickets https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 #topic more formal processes Discuss proposals from list. kevin

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[irc-support-sig] #95: kudos for #fedora
by fedora-badges 26 Jan '12

26 Jan '12

#95: kudos for #fedora -----------------------+------------------------ Reporter: notinachos | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: trivial | Milestone: Fedora 16 Version: | Severity: Positive Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | -----------------------+------------------------ = phenomenon = After consulting the oracle (google), I still couldn't find the answer to my question and turned to #fedora. Per usual, everyone was very helpful and polite. They answered my question accurately and were able to direct me to some additional reading material, which I found most helpful. = reason = {{{ [23:39] <notinachos> while working with netcat, it got me reading about network socket programming in bash. seems /dev/tcp and /dev/udp are MIA though (i'm running F16). does fedora use something else, or is this deprecated? [23:39] <[R]> they dont actually exist [23:39] <[R]> its virtual [23:39] <notinachos> ahh [23:41] <notinachos> awesome, running the examples returned the expected results. thanks [R] ;) [23:43] <fenrus02> see also, /topic #bash and http://userpages.umbc.edu/~mabzug1/bash-httpd.html }}} = recommendation = I see [R] and fenrus02 in channel everyday helping people, but I'm sure it's not everyday that somebody stops to thank them. Just wanted to let you know it's appreciated guys ;) -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/95> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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[irc-support-sig] #94: kick and ban from -social
by fedora-badges 26 Jan '12

26 Jan '12

#94: kick and ban from -social ---------------------+------------------------ Reporter: kc8hfi | Owner: Type: feedback | Status: new Priority: major | Milestone: Fedora 14 Version: | Severity: Neutral Keywords: | Blocked By: Blocking: | ---------------------+------------------------ = phenomenon = I got kicked from the -social channel again, but this time I also got banned. = reason = I asked a question about java. I understand this channel is not for support, but this is a little rediculous. The last time I got kicked there was a discussion about it in the weekly meeting, and I thought it was going to be a little bit more relaxed. Here is what I have in my logs for this time: {{{ [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Join You have joined the channel #fedora-social (~kc8hfi(a)173-80-110-184-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net). [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Topic The channel topic is "Topic for #fedora-social is: ≋≋≋ Welcome to Fedora's Professional Bacon Social Realm ≋≋≋ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Social_Channel_FAQ ≋≋≋ Join us for the never ending bacon party - Bring Bacon! ≋≋≋". [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:18 PM] Topic The topic was set by zodbot!supybot@fedora/bot/zodbot on 11/16/11 05:55 PM. [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:30 PM] Mode Channel modes: no messages from outside [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:30 PM] Created This channel was created on 11/26/06 01:42 AM. [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:48:58 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: yaaar! [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:49:47 PM] <silentusr> hey kc8hfi [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:07 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: you work ant files and java much? [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:15 PM] <silentusr> kc8hfi: when I have to [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:33 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: my manifest file with the Class-Path ain't workin.... [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:44 PM] <silentusr> kc8hfi: fpaste? [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:50:49 PM] <kc8hfi> if i run java -classpath and specify it that way, it works just fine... [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:51:43 PM] <kc8hfi> http://fpaste.org/jZC2/ [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:02 PM] <kc8hfi> you can get all the code from https://github.com/kc8hfi/scratchpad [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:07 PM] <EvilBob> ass path [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:10 PM] <EvilBob> what? [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:20 PM] <kc8hfi> silentusr: i know this is so simple to fix.... [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:38 PM] Kick silentusr has been kicked from the channel by fedbot (not a support channel, EvilBob). [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:52:38 PM] Join silentusr has joined this channel (~silentusr@securabit/listener/randomusr). [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:53:01 PM] Mode fedbot sets a ban on kc8hfi!~kc8hfi(a)173-80-110-184-swby.atw.dyn.suddenlink.net. [Sunday, January 08, 2012] [09:53:02 PM] Kick You have been kicked from channel #fedora-social by fedbot (Not a support channel, EvilBob). }}} = recommendation = I would like a clear, precise definition for what we can and cannot do in -social. -- Ticket URL: <https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/ticket/94> irc-support-sig <irc://irc.freenode.net/#fedora> Feedback and tracking of issues for the folks who try and improve support in #fedora on irc.freenode.net

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My proposal for voing and such
by Kevin Fenzi 22 Jan '12

22 Jan '12

ok, here's my proposal, feel free to pick it apart, or use it as the basis for your own different proposal. ;) a) The sig controls/manages the following channels: #fedora #fedora-social #fedora-unregistered #fedora-ops b) Voting members are everyone who's an op in any of the managed channels. c) New channel operators are added or removed with the following process: 1. A ticket is filed with background/info and what channel the person would like to be added to, or should be removed from. 2. A 7 day voting period begins. 3. At the end of 7 days votes are tallied and a simply majority passes or defeats the proposed add/remove. d) New channels can be added or current channels removed from management via: 1. The current sig or group that controls a channel should ask to be added in, or agree that they would like to be when approached. 2. A vote is taken, if approved after the 7 day voting period, the operators in the new channel all join the voting members pool and the channel is added to the top list. e) In other cases (aside from promoting/removing members or channels), broad consensus should be attempted first and if no clear consensus can be reached a vote can be held on the issue or change. Feel free to pick it apart, add to or propose your own. kevin

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Re: My proposal for voing and such
by warren 22 Jan '12

22 Jan '12

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 01/22/2012 10:06 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 23:06:05 -0800 warren <warren(a)fedoraos.org> > wrote: > >> >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> >> On 01/21/2012 09:30 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >>> On Sat, 21 Jan 2012 18:33:08 -0800 warren >>> <warren(a)fedoraos.org> wrote: >>> >>>> why should anyone need to propose it? >>> >>> Because it's a subjective decision... ? >> no one should need to propose anything if >> "$predefined_time_period" for inactivity is defined. > > My point is that defining such is difficult and unneeded when > people who feel strongly about inactive people can simply propose > them for removal when they feel they are inactive. If others agree, > they can vote for it. > > This avoids people 'gaming the system' by staying just active > enough to be able to continue to vote. > > kevin My point is that "ops" should come with a pre-defined expiry date. It shouldn't be "well, you're good enough to get voted in once, now we need to vote and go through some lengthy process to remove you or make you behave" i.e. secret FUDCON meeting/letter to Bob. This would curtail the "gaming the system" greatly, although not completely avoid it. Anyone intent on corruption could do so by simply registering another nick/account and being re-proposed/accepted. Anyone in a position of power in any organization ultimately has the ability and opportunity to take advantage and "drive" it. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk8cYT8ACgkQI5ZhoGXYrD6uCwCeI5yhKcwW2LtjQeuS9QvV7VAE 6TkAoIG5gVcd9KtfxkiORKMA9a/2QpWo =zaz2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Plan for tomorrow's irc-support-sig meeting (2012-01-19)
by Kevin Fenzi 19 Jan '12

19 Jan '12

Here's what I have for an agenda for tomorrow's (2012-01-19) meeting, which will be held at 17:00UTC/13:00Eastern in #fedora-meeting on irc.freenode.net. Feel free to reply to this with additional topics, or bring them up in the "open floor" section of the meeting. #topic Week in review http://fedora.theglaserfamily.org/ircstats/fedora-weekly.html #topic feedback tickets https://fedorahosted.org/irc-support-sig/report/1 #topic more formal processes Draft at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/IRC_support_sig as a starting point. kevin

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