desktop April 2007

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install pam_keyring by default in the GNOME based live cd?
by Rahul Sundaram 01 Jun '07

01 Jun '07

Hi "PAM_KEYRING is a pam module that launches the gnome-keyring-daemon and then unlocks a keyring using your login password." http://www.hekanetworks.com/index.php/publisher/articleview/frmArticleID/25… Rahul

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Installing the Big Board part of online desktop
by Colin Walters 31 May '07

31 May '07

Hi, One thing we've been working on lately here on the Mugshot team is prototyping part of what an "online desktop" would be. For more information about the ideas behind the project, see Havoc's blog entry: http://log.ometer.com/2007-04.html#3 If you'd like to try out the Big Board mentioned in that entry, see this wiki page: http://developer.mugshot.org/wiki/Big_Board There are Fedora Core 6 RPMs available, with instructions on the page. You can also compile/install from source of course. I'm presently working on submitting some of the prerequisite RPMs to Fedora (https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=235741), if someone out there is an RPM expert and could take a look at the pacakges that would rock. Let us know what you think! One important known bug worth mentioning here is currently it doesn't work correctly with Compiz: http://bugzilla.mugshot.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1201

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CodecBuddy - how to help?
by Valent Turkovic 11 May '07

11 May '07

Hi, I tried contacting CodecBuddy develoopers but with no luck. I wan't to help with testing it and bug hunting but need some pointers how. Can anybody tell me how I can get in and help out? Thank you in advance. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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Why is Fedora a multimedia disaster? - Here is why.
by Valent Turkovic 22 Apr '07

22 Apr '07

I install a fresh Fedora7 (test 3) then run web browser and go to fedora magazine page - from there I download some video ogg files from it. Why is it that when I click on the file I can't view the video? Player just crashes! And the default player is kamboodle! Why is that?!? That is the worst video player I have seen ever! On any platform! Opensource or not there is no excuse to put that player as the default one! Fedora 7 experience was a bit better than FC6 one - because in FC6 when I tried the same experiment I got an error message that ogg is a unknown format and system doesn't know how to open it! Great! And that was an OGG file with 0% proprietary fibers in it :) How do you expect to get people to use linux as a destop when the MOST simple multimedia desktop scenario doesn't work!?! If you can't play "official" video form redhat pages then this is a serious case of TERRIBLE multimedia desktop usability! I know about all the great effort that has gone into fedora releases, and I love it. It is the best linux distro for me, but I know how to set it up, iron out the quirks that mess up the destop experience and configure it for optimal work/play flow. But please, please make it a lot easier on non-geek people so that they can also use this great stuff called fedora. And belive me there are people wanting to do so, but they can't because we don't let them. They need some features to be enabled by default or else they won't know how that they even exist. So please change the default video player to totem or something else, just NOT kamboodle because it just doesn't work and it sucks GUI vise. Regarding proprietary video codecs RedHad developers just say something like this: "We talked with out lawyers and they said no." Ok? And? Where can we see this discussion? I know that you can't put MP3 support in fedora, but that you can't even put an link for some European server that has all the codecs? Lawyers say that RedHat can be sued even for puting links that enable multimedia. Ok, maybe I believe it but it is maybe possible that some one would sue, but hardly win that case. But there are legal ways around that, you can put a text saying that it is legal to enable multimedia codecs only if you live in a country that doesn't have software patents - like I do. It is possible if you want it - Ubuntu has shown that because they will be doing just that, and even a step beyond that. Ubuntu will have a Ubuntu for European market and other countries that don't have software patents (my country doesn't!) with all multimedia codecs embedded within the distro! So please let's start the discussion because believe me there is a great need for this because there are lot's media files that are every where (internet, youtube, divx rips of dvds, etc...) that people have a need to watch and listen. Hope to hear from Fedora/RedHat developers and Desktop usability experts what are their opinions. I will make this email available also on my blog: http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ so you can leave/read comments there also. Valent - fiber optics and networking engineer from Croatia. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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Re: Why is Fedora a multimedia disaster? - Here is why.
by Rick Stuart 20 Apr '07

20 Apr '07

Valent Turkovic wrote: >> But please, please make it a lot easier on non-geek people so that >> they can also use this great stuff called fedora. And belive me there >> are people wanting to do so, but they can't because we don't let them. >> They need some features to be enabled by default or else they won't >> know how that they even exist. I feel like the real concern voiced by Valent Turkovic has been missed by all three of the responses I saw. What are we expecting the average Joe who wants to try out this cool new thing called Linux to feel? He can load it up and see a pretty twisty graphic but then can't get the simplest thing like web browsing to work without installing a lot of extra packages that are only obvious by a long Google search, abuse on the forums (RTFM) or a previous experience. If you are going to build a live CD (Excellent Idea by the way) for people to try out Linux, then concentrate on the total experience. Look at what "typical" users do and make sure they have success. Valent hit the nail on the head....KDE...GNOME....why should that matter? GNOME doesn't work any better with Totem BTW. -- Rick Stuart stuart.cr(a)gmail.com "Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy."

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I want to help get suspend/resume working.
by Valent Turkovic 18 Apr '07

18 Apr '07

I want to help Fedora team supporting a few laptops I own so they get suspend/resume working. I tested one in Fedora 7 test 3 and it suspends but doesn't resume - but the same laptop works with suspend/resume in OpenSuse 10.2 so I hope it is really simple to get it working in Fedora 7. To who do I need to talk to? Which mailing list? Maybe a bugzilla report? What is the procedure for users that want to help make their and others laptops work better with Fedora? Valent. -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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A better, faster desktop search for Linux!
by Valent Turkovic 16 Apr '07

16 Apr '07

I just saw this and this looks like fabulous project - better that beagle! http://digg.com/linux_unix/A_better_faster_desktop_search_for_Linux I love beagle, but not the memory footprint it uses and updates for mono used to break beagle, and vice-versa. I hope that "tracker" gets in Fedora 7 - and FAST. There is a fedora package so get it while it's hot! :) -- http://kernelreloaded.blog385.com/ linux, blog, anime, spirituality, windsurf, wireless registered as user #367004 with the Linux Counter, http://counter.li.org. ICQ: 2125241 Skype: valent.turkovic

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Re: A better, faster desktop search for Linux!
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Amadeus W.M. wrote: > Not trying to be pedantic here, but If I remember correctly, mono is one > open source alternative to .net, isn't it? Mono is not a programming > language. C# is. Right. I was just going along with your lingo and not be pedantic ;-) Other than fewer formats and different languages, do > they use the same algorithms? Nope. Rahul

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Re: A better, faster desktop search for Linux!
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Amadeus W.M. wrote: >>> Too bad my nautilus is not tracker-enabled. I hope it will be in FC7 >>> and I hope tracker will come standard. >> In Fedora 7, nautilus is indeed tracker enabled. It checks at runtime >> whether tracker is installed and uses it in preference to Beagle. >> >> Rahul >> > > Excellent decision! Do you happen to know the differences under the hood > between beagle and tracker? Why does tracker do what it does with far > less cpu power? I remember beagle had something to do with mono? Tracker supports less formats for metadata searches than Beagle and is written in C while Beagle is written in mono. Rahul

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Re: A better, faster desktop search for Linux!
by Rahul Sundaram 13 Apr '07

13 Apr '07

Amadeus W.M. wrote: > > found it instantly. I don't even know when or how it indexed it. After > the initial indexing, tracker it's unnoticeable. Beagle was reasonable > when I was working on the computer, but would take up 100% of the > processor after some 10-20 minutes of inactivity. So I uninstalled > beagle. Tracker doesn't seem to do that. > > Too bad my nautilus is not tracker-enabled. I hope it will be in FC7 and > I hope tracker will come standard. In Fedora 7, nautilus is indeed tracker enabled. It checks at runtime whether tracker is installed and uses it in preference to Beagle. Rahul

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